{"id":37912,"date":"2015-02-02T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-02-02T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/?p=37912"},"modified":"2015-01-30T19:37:50","modified_gmt":"2015-01-31T03:37:50","slug":"the-potter-and-the-clay-romans-9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/the-potter-and-the-clay-romans-9\/","title":{"rendered":"Understanding the Potter and the Clay in Romans 9"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"potterWestern theology has committed a terrible disservice to this imagery of a potter and clay by making it seem as if God is a deterministic puppet master up in heaven pulling the strings of people and nations down here on earth.<\/p>\n

This is exactly the opposite of what Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Paul meant by using this terminology.<\/p>\n

The Potter and the Clay in Jeremiah 18<\/h2>\n

In Jeremiah 18, for example, while God is equated with the potter, God calls upon Israel to turn from her wicked ways and obey His voice so that they, as the pot which God is fashioning, will not be marred (cf. Jer 18:8-11).<\/p>\n

God calls upon Israel to come into conformity to the work of His hands. If they do not, they will become marred, and He will have to reform the clay again into another vessel (Jer 18:4). He does not destroy or discard the clay; He simply forms it into another pot which will be used for a different purpose.<\/p>\n

A similar understanding is seen in Isaiah 54 and Romans 9.<\/p>\n

The Potter and the Clay is not teaching Determinism<\/h2>\n

There is no deterministic message in the image of the potter and the clay in Isaiah 54, Jeremiah 18, or Romans 9. If we accept the deterministic perspective of these texts, just imagine for a moment what sort of God is being portrayed. H. H. Rowley sums it up best:<\/p>\n

Neither Jeremiah nor Paul had in mind an aimless dilettante, working in a casual and haphazard way, turning out vessels according to the chance whim of the moment \u2026 To suppose that a crazy potter, who made vessels with no other thought than that he would afterwards knock them to pieces, is the type and figure of God, is supremely dishonoring to God. The vessel of dishonor which the potter makes is still something that he wants, and that has a definite use \u2026 The instruments of wrath \u2026 were what the New Testament calls \u2018vessels of dishonor,\u2019 serving God indeed, but with no exalted service. They were not puppets in His hand, compelled to do His will without moral responsibility for their deed, but chosen because He saw that the very iniquity of their heart would lead them to the course that He could use (Rowley, Doctrine of Election<\/em><\/a>, p. 40-41)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\"potter<\/p>\n

Neither Isaiah, nor Jeremiah, nor Paul had in mind a potter who purposefully created pots just so that He could smash them. No potter would do that, then or now. Instead, God is the wise potter who works with the clay to form useful tools. The vessels of \u201cdishonor\u201d are not vessels which are destroyed, but vessels which will be used in \u201cignoble\u201d ways. They still serve important purposes and help with vital tasks, but they are not vessels of honor.<\/p>\n

Typically, vessels of dishonor do end up being destroyed (which is not necessarily hell!), but this is not because the potter made them for such a purpose, but because unclean vessels, when they have served their purpose, are usually not useful for anything else.<\/p>\n

\"potterAnd what makes one vessel clean or unclean? As H. H. Rowley pointed out above, God allows humans to determine what kind of vessel they will be, and then He uses those who have made themselves vessels of dishonor.<\/p>\n

A careful reading of Romans 9:22 reveals this very point. W. E. Vine, in his Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words<\/em>, says that the word \u201cdestruction\u201d is used \u201cmetaphorically of men persistent in evil (Rom 9:22), where \u2018fitted\u2019 is in the middle voice, indicating that the vessels of wrath fitted themselves for destruction\u201d (Vine’s Expository \u00a0Dictionary<\/em><\/a>, 2:165)<\/p>\n

None of this Relates to \u00a0Person’s Eternal Destiny<\/h2>\n

Again, none of this has anything to do with whether or not a person goes to heaven or hell after death. The way a vessel is used refers primarily to how God uses individuals, kings, and nations in this life. <\/em>Marston and Forster add this:<\/p>\n

The basic lump that forms a nation will either be built up or broken down by the Lord, depending on their own moral response<\/em>. If a nation does repent and God builds them up, then it is for him alone to decide how the finished vessel will fit into his plan … God alone determines the special features \/ privileges \/ responsibilities of a particular nation (Forster & Marston, God’s Strategy<\/em><\/a>, 74).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

To read more on Romans 9, get my book The Re-Justification of God<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\nIf you want to read more about Calvinism, check out other posts in this blog series: Words of Calvinism and the Word of God<\/a>.\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The image of the potter and the clay is found in Romans 9, Jeremiah 18, and Isaiah 54. <\/p>\n

Neither Isaiah, nor Jeremiah, nor Paul had in mind a potter who purposefully created pots just so that He could smash them. No potter would do that, then or now. <\/p>\n

Instead, God is the wise potter who works with the clay to form useful 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