{"id":53382,"date":"2021-03-11T13:15:32","date_gmt":"2021-03-11T21:15:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/?p=53382"},"modified":"2021-03-11T13:15:32","modified_gmt":"2021-03-11T21:15:32","slug":"licentiousness-and-hell-jude-4-jude-7","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/licentiousness-and-hell-jude-4-jude-7\/","title":{"rendered":"Will Licentiousness and Lewdness send you to hell? (Jude 4, Jude 7)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!--powerpress_player--><div itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/AudioObject\"><meta itemprop=\"name\" content=\"Will Licentiousness and Lewdness send you to hell? (Jude 4, Jude 7)\" \/><meta itemprop=\"uploadDate\" content=\"2021-03-11T13:15:32-08:00\" \/><meta itemprop=\"encodingFormat\" content=\"audio\/mpeg\" \/><meta itemprop=\"duration\" content=\"PT37M27S\" \/><meta itemprop=\"description\" content=\"In this podcast episode, I discuss how to avoid hypocritical thinking in politics, answer a listener question about Jude 4, and discuss what the eternal fire in Jude 7 refers to.\" \/><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/one_verse\/feeds.soundcloud.com\/stream\/1005031720-redeeminggod-will-licentiousness-and-lewdness-send-you-to-hell-jude-4-jude-7.mp3\" \/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"68.8\" \/><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8961\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-53382-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/one_verse\/feeds.soundcloud.com\/stream\/1005031720-redeeminggod-will-licentiousness-and-lewdness-send-you-to-hell-jude-4-jude-7.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/one_verse\/feeds.soundcloud.com\/stream\/1005031720-redeeminggod-will-licentiousness-and-lewdness-send-you-to-hell-jude-4-jude-7.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/one_verse\/feeds.soundcloud.com\/stream\/1005031720-redeeminggod-will-licentiousness-and-lewdness-send-you-to-hell-jude-4-jude-7.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><\/div><p>In this podcast episode, I discuss how to avoid hypocritical thinking in politics, answer a listener question about Jude 4, and discuss what the eternal fire in Jude 7 refers to.<\/p>\n<h2>How to Avoid Hypocrisy in Politics<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-small wp-image-53391\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/hypocrite-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/hypocrite-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/hypocrite-570x321.jpg 570w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/hypocrite-400x225.jpg 400w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/hypocrite.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>Listen to the podcast for the full discussion, but the bottom line truth is that whenever you think about criticizing a political opponent or person for their actions, first consider whether you would say the same thing if someone from your own political party had done the same thing. (Chances are, someone from your own political viewpoint HAS done the same thing&#8230; when that happened, what did you say or do?) If you would be silent, then remain silent now. If you spoke out, then feel free to speak out now.<\/p>\n<h2>Question from a Listener on Jude 4<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>How do you harmonize eternal security with the book of Jude? Especially the statement in Jude 4 about licentious men who deny God and Jesus Christ. It says they abuse the grace of God and turn it into licentiousness or lewdness If a person, pastor, teacher, etc promotes eternal security, aren\u2019t they teaching and promoting licentious, saying we can sin\/abuse God&#8217;s grace and still be saved? I read Zane Hodge\u2019s <em>Power to Stand<\/em>, an exposition on Jude and it brought some confusion\/questions, one of the many questions I had long ago. I was wondering if you might answer it. I am grateful for your website and ministry! Thank you! I appreciate it!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I do believe in <a href=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/sermons\/miscellaneous\/11-reasons-i-hold-to-eternal-security\/3\">eternal security<\/a> and grace is one of the primary reasons I hold to eternal security. In my <a href=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/courses\/gospel-dictionary\/\">Gospel Dictionary course<\/a> I have a lesson on grace, and in it, I said this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is extravagant, outrageous grace which shocks all sense of propriety. God is shameless in His love for us, so that even when we say and do things that would chase off any human being, God sticks with us and by us. As soon as we seek to limit God\u2019s grace or restrict it to a holy few, we have stopped believing in grace and have plunged headlong into the hell of religion. Grace is free! Absolutely free. It has no limits, borders, restrictions, or conditions. It is freely given and freely received, and as such, can never be rescinded or revoked. There is nothing that can be done (or not done) to earn, merit, or deserve grace. Grace cannot be increased or decreased, merited or demerited. Grace is infinite, universal, and free.<\/p>\n<p>I can hear the objection already: But if grace is how I have been describing it above, won\u2019t people take advantage of this kind of grace? The answer to that is \u201cOf course they will!\u201d But grace that comes with restrictions to avoid being abused is no longer grace. In fact, true grace, by definition, opens itself up to being abused. It is not true grace if it cannot be abused.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So yes, by definition, grace can be abused. It opens itself up for abuse. If God limited grace so that it could not be abused, then it would no longer be free. It would instead be earned or deserved because we gained it or kept it through certain God-approved behavior.<\/p>\n<p>So what about these licentious teachers that Jude is writing about in Jude 4? Some translations say \u201clewdness.\u201d Lewd behavior is that which is lustful, vulgar, lascivious. I like \u201clicentious\u201d though, because it gives the impression of \u201clicense.\u201d A license allows you to do something. A driver\u2019s license allows you to drive. A fishing license allows you to fish. So these teachers that Jude is warning about were saying that grace gives us a license to sin. You can sin all you want and it doesn\u2019t matter.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-53392\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/license-to-sin.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"352\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/license-to-sin.jpg 560w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/license-to-sin-300x189.jpg 300w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/license-to-sin-400x251.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Now, I have written and taught in the past that <a href=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/grace-is-free-you-can-sin-all-you-want\/\">grace does indeed allow you to sin all you want<\/a>.\u00a0So does the Jude 4 warning apply to me? Am I one of the teachers Jude 4 warns you against? No.<\/p>\n<p>And here\u2019s why. From the context in Jude 4, it appears that these teachers were saying that Christians could go sin all they want, and such behavior doesn\u2019t matter. There are no serious consequences to such behavior. In this form of teaching, grace is a license to sin.<\/p>\n<p>I teach no such thing. I teach that while grace does allow you to go sin all you want, when you really understand grace, it actually teaches you not to sin. Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust, as we read in Titus 2:11-12.<\/p>\n<p>Let me put it this way. The teachers Jude was writing against were saying that grace allows people to sin all they want and there are not serious consequences for their sin. I (and other eternal security teachers) say that grace allows people to sin all they want, but grace also teaches us that there are very serious consequences for such behavior. Like what? While you will not lose your eternal life, you will likely suffer serious devastation and destruction to your health, your marriage, your finances, you job, your psychological and emotional well-being, and even to your eternal reward in eternity.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-small wp-image-53389\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-300x307.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"307\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-300x307.jpg 300w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-557x570.jpg 557w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-1056x1080.jpg 1056w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-768x785.jpg 768w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness-293x300.jpg 293w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/grace-licentiousness.jpg 1151w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>Do you see the difference? In the teaching of eternal security, free grace is not a license to sin but is rather a warning against sin. We say \u201cYes, grace allows you to sin all you want, but when you really understand grace and sin, why would you want to?\u201d Grace allows you to sin all you want just like owning a knife allows you to stab it into your leg. Yes, you can do this if you want to, but why would you want to?<\/p>\n<p>So the teaching on eternal security is not a license to sin. It is not licentiousness. It is the opposite. We uphold the grace of God in all its glory, and also know that grace, when it is properly taught and understood, teaches us to live righteously and godly in this present world. Grace, when truly grasped, is not the freedom to sin, it is the freedom to truly start living.<\/p>\n<p>That is a brief explanation of Jude 4 in relation to the question of eternal security.<\/p>\n<p>As long as we\u2019re here in Jude, let\u2019s look ahead a couple verses and also consider Jude 7 for our Scripture text of this podcast episode.<\/p>\n<h2>The Eternal Fire in Jude 7<\/h2>\n<p>The warnings of Jude 7 relate to what we just discussed from Jude 4. I have written and taught about this text previously in the lesson on \u201cFire\u201d in the <a href=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/courses\/gospel-dictionary\/\">Gospel Dictionary Online course<\/a>, and also in my book on Hell, titled (#AmazonAdLink) <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cngeOX\"><em>What is Hell<\/em>?<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is what we read in Jude 7<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2026 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire (Jude 7)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As frequently seen in this study, the image of fire in Scripture refers to the temporal destruction of cities. This is also what is described in Jude 7, where the author points to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of what happens to those who stray from the will of God. However, some point to the phrase at the end of the verse that the cities are \u201csuffering the vengeance of eternal fire\u201d as evidence that Jude is talking about eternal suffering in the flames of hell. However, several contextual insights reveal that this is not what Jude had in mind.<\/p>\n<p>First, this reference to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is parallel to the preceding two examples. Jude loves to give examples in triplicate, and so prior to writing about Sodom and Gomorrah, he writes about the death of some of the Israelites in the wilderness because they did not believe (Jude 5), and the imprisonment of some angels in everlasting chains while they await judgment (Jude 6).<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-small wp-image-39414\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Sodom_and_Gomorrah-300x192.jpg\" alt=\"Sodom and Gomorrah\" width=\"300\" height=\"192\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Sodom_and_Gomorrah-300x192.jpg 300w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Sodom_and_Gomorrah-570x364.jpg 570w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Sodom_and_Gomorrah-1080x690.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Sodom_and_Gomorrah.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>The first example of the Israelites in the wilderness clearly refers to physical death, rather than to eternal torment in hell. The example of the angels is more difficult, since we are not quite sure what event Jude has in mind. But many believe he is referring to the \u201csons of God\u201d who had sexual relations with the daughters of men in Genesis 6, and were imprisoned as a result. Yet notice that while these angels are imprisoned in chains and darkness, they are not being tortured with fire. In fact, darkness and fire are mutually exclusive. And since angels are immortal, they cannot be killed. Therefore, they were imprisoned and are awaiting judgment.<\/p>\n<p>This third example of Sodom and Gomorrah is a combination of the first two. Like the angels, the inhabitants of these cities committed sexual immorality and went after strange flesh. This is referring to the fact that the cities were inhospitable and attempted to rape the angels who visited them (Gen 19:4-7; Ezek 16:49-50). The result of this behavior was that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with fire.<\/p>\n<p>Yet how do we know that Jude is not referring to eternal torment in the flames of hell? We know this because Jude says that Sodom and Gomorrah were \u201cset forth as an example,\u201d which means that this example could be seen by humans. If Jude were referring to the eternal fires of hell, then Sodom and Gomorrah could not be set forth as an example to be seen and witnessed by humans. Jude cannot be referring to some sort of <em>future <\/em>punishment in hellfire, because then it would not in any way be set forth as an historical example to mankind.<\/p>\n<p>But we also know that Jude was not referring to the eternal flames of hell because of what he writes in Jude 23. Jude writes that it is possible to pull people out of the fire. This is, of course, exactly what happened with Lot and his family. They were rescued, pulled, or delivered from the flames that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and Jude indicates that similar deliverance can happen today.<\/p>\n<p>If Jude was referring to the flames of hell in this text, then he would be teaching that it is possible to rescue and deliver people from hell after they are already there. But few who believe that hell is a place of everlasting torment in fire are willing to say that it is possible to rescue the people who are there. It is better to recognize from the context that Jude is not thinking about eternal torment in the flames of hell, but rather the everlasting destruction of cities due to temporal flames.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-35472\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/sodom-570x389.jpg\" alt=\"sodom and gomorrah\" width=\"570\" height=\"389\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/sodom-570x389.jpg 570w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/sodom-150x102.jpg 150w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/sodom-300x205.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 570px) 100vw, 570px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Indeed, this is exactly how to understand the phrase \u201csuffering the vengeance of eternal fire.\u201d To begin with, \u201csuffering the vengeance\u201d is probably not the best way of translating the Greek (Gk., <em>dik\u0113n hupechousai<\/em>). In 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, the Greek word <em>dik\u0113 <\/em>means \u201cpenalty\u201d or \u201cjustice\u201d (Dik\u0113 was the Greek god of justice). The second word, <em>hupech\u014d, <\/em>appears only here in the New Testament, and literally means \u201cto undergo\u201d or \u201chold under,\u201d and carries the idea of experiencing something.<\/p>\n<p>So the phrase itself means \u201cto undergo justice\u201d or to \u201cexperience justice.\u201d And as frequently mentioned elsewhere, this experience of justice, or this penalty, is not sent by God but is brought upon someone through their own actions. Sin carries its own penalty with it. This is exactly what Jude says in verse 10\u00a0when he writes that the false teachers \u201ccorrupt themselves.\u201d The corruption and punishment that come upon people is not sent from God but is brought by a person upon their own heads.<\/p>\n<p>Jude says that this self-inflicted punishment upon Sodom and Gomorrah was \u201ceternal fire.\u201d This does not mean that the cities are still burning, for they are not. It means that the fire that fell upon these cities destroyed them completely, and they have not been rebuilt (cf. Rev 18:9, 18). This is true, for the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were in the location of what is now the Dead Sea.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-35483\" src=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/Sodom-and-gomorrah-2-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"Sodom and Gomorrah\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/Sodom-and-gomorrah-2-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/Sodom-and-gomorrah-2-150x99.jpg 150w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/Sodom-and-gomorrah-2-570x379.jpg 570w, https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/Sodom-and-gomorrah-2.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>According to historical accounts from the New Testament era, the Dead Sea was also known as the Lake of Fire, where there were frequent bouts of flame and smoke, burning sulphur, and where everything that went through it collected a tarnish of oily soot and grime (cf. Gen 19:24-28; Deut 29:23; Isa 34:9; Jer 49:17-18; Rev 20:10). In the days of Jesus, the valley was still smoking and smoldering, and they assumed it would go on that way forever. This is what Jude has in mind when he speaks of the cities suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. It is not hell, but is the ongoing, physical destruction and devastation that came upon those cities.<\/p>\n<p>And this is the overall truth that Jude is presenting in Jude 4 and Jude 7. Abandoning grace, or turning grace into a license to sin without consequences, is a recipe for disaster. Though grace does allow itself to be abused, the abuse of grace leads to devastation and destruction in the person&#8217;s life who does it. It invites fire into a person&#8217;s life, which sweeps through their life, leaving behind only dust and ashes.<\/p>\n<p>So don&#8217;t abuse grace. Grace is given to us so that we might live free. Therefore, live in the freedom for which you have been set free.<\/p>\n<p>To learn more about these sorts of truths, join my online discipleship group and take <a href=\"https:\/\/redeeminggod.com\/courses\/gospel-dictionary\/\">the Gospel Dictionary Online Course<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this podcast episode, I discuss how to avoid hypocritical thinking in politics, answer a listener question about Jude 4, and discuss what the eternal fire in Jude 7 refers to.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":53392,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2297,2230,2231,2296],"tags":[3081,1478,1532,1225,1655,3228,1954,1272,3197],"class_list":{"0":"post-53382","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-redeeming-god","8":"category-redeeming-scripture","9":"category-redeeming-theology","10":"category-z","11":"tag-eternal-fire","12":"tag-eternal-security","13":"tag-fire","14":"tag-grace","15":"tag-hell","16":"tag-jude-4","17":"tag-jude-7","18":"tag-sin","19":"tag-titus-211-12","20":"entry"},"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Will Licentiousness and Lewdness send you to hell? 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