I took a “church Planter’s Assessment” test a while back and failed. But I didn’t like the way some of the questions were worded, and so I decided the problem was with the test, not with me. So I took a different assessment, and failed that one too. But again, my complaint was that the questions seemed to be…weighted in a particular direction.
For example, on both “tests” many of the questions seemed to be geared toward leading lots of people, raising lots of funds, and getting lots of conversions. It seemed to me that the creators of the test were only testing for one certain kind of church – the rapidly growing megachurch.
So I did some research into how the tests were developed. It turns out they interviewed and sent personality inventories to some of the pastors of the fastest growing megachurches in the country. Then, based on the results, tests were created to help find people who had similar traits and characteristics as these megachurch pastors.
Does anyone else see a problem with this?
How about the fact that fewer and fewer people are finding spiritual fulfillment in the “megachurch experience”?
How about the fact that the megachurch model is, for the most part, does an incredibly poor job of helping people come to faith in Jesus (most megachurch numerical growth is transfer growth from smaller churches).
How about the fact that the megachurch model generally does a rather poor job of helping people develop close, interpersonal relationships, and leading them down the path of discipleship?
How about the fact that the megachurch model is primarily a western, 20th century, logical-extreme c0nsequence of the “church growth movement” experiment, which was itself based on business models and Christendom-style thinking?
How about the fact that the vast majority of mega-church pastors have Type-A personalities, who–while good at leading large organizations, and generating a lot of excitement and publicity–are not so good at many of the “shepherding” aspects of pastoral ministry such as interpersonal relationships, tenderness, compassion, humility and patience?
I could go on (and on). I am not trying to bash megachurches or their pastors. I think that both are accomplishing some good things for the kingdom of God, and both have helped a lot of people. The only thing I am tired of is this idea that the megachurch mentality, structure, and systems are the only right way to “do church” (whatever that means). I am tired of being told that unless I can raise $100,000 to blow through in a year on radio ads, billboards, and door hangers, I can’t plant a church.
Somebody needs to write a book called “How to Plant a Church on less than $100 a Month.” I know it can be done, because I am beginning to do it. Are you ever going to hear about this church? Probably not – I’m planning on not even naming it. (When and why did we start naming churches, anyway?) Will I ever get a book deal out of it? If I did, who would read it? Will President Obama invite me to the White House for a luncheon? Not a chance. Will I get asked to speak at a church growth conference? The idea is laughable.
But I think Jesus is pleased with the direction I am headed, and that’s all that matters–even if I did fail two “church Planter’s Assessments.”
Excellent thoughts, Jeremy. Truly. Excellent. Couldn’t agree more.
Hi Jeremy, excellent post!
Many “Church planters” do not even know the definition of justification!!!
That is the pathetic status of our contemporary Christianity.
Many mega Church pastors become victims of hero worship.
-Victor
Since when have you ever let being a failure stop you from doing something??? Totally kidding!
I agree with this post. I have started rethinking church in some ways as well. I have always wondered about membership, and why we have to meet on Sunday mornings and Wednesday nights. Not that any of that is wrong, but is it a necessity?
I remember reading some of the books for one of my classes on church growth. Very business model-like indeed.
Hope that you and the family are doing well. Don’t know if you have heard or not, but we have a bambino on the way (due in august). Things will be changing very soon!
I haven’t failed any, because I haven’t taken any… but I am sure I would fail them if I took them. I look at the types of people assess as very likely to succeed and I’m not that on so many levels it’s hardly worth drawing any comparison.
On the flip side, I have been part of a church plant with a guy in the “point” position who did not assess well, in a structure that emphasised the mega/church growth model and the plant failed. I think that happened largely due to the fact that the denomination didn’t know what to do with him, and the point guy was too dependent on denominational structure (came from a mainline background)… and didn’t have an internalized biblical vision either.
I think you sound like you are avoiding both problems :).
Hey Jeremy,
I posted a link to your post. I think you have some valuable things to say there. And I think we need to re-think “church” too.
Thanks!
http://koffihouse.blogspot.com/2009/02/assessment-test-failure.html
Koffijah
Koffijah,
Thanks for the the link. I read some of the posts on your blog. I really like what you wrote on this link:
http://koffihouse.blogspot.com/2009/02/planting-church-reaching-community.html
Keep up the good work.
Jeremy,
I followed Koffijah’s link over here. I read your post this morning and I have found it difficult to think of much else. I pray that this comment will be an encouragement to you in some way. I apologize in advance for the length of it.
I am a core group member in a small church plant just west of Houston. Our pastor was formerly my worship pastor. He left this position to pursue his master’s degree in church leadership. His ultimate desire was to plant a church. While it was difficult to see him and his family move away, I knew that he needed to pursue his heart’s desire. After a very difficult 2 year period, I am happy to say that they are back in town and we are building what I believe to be a thriving, Christ centered church.
What I also want to tell you is that before coming to be a worship pastor at our old church he had just help close a church plant that the organization responsible for planting it in the first place deemed a failure (He was also the worship leader there). Why was it a failure? I’m sure there were many reasons, but based on my understanding of what happened, one of the lead causes was that because they were required to plant a “high impact” church, large sums of money were spent on marketing and advertising. When it came time to select a location for the church, despite the fact that the majority of the core group were from a certain area, the powers that be insisted that it be planted in an area that the demographics suggested would be the area of highest population growth. (It was later learned that this study was 5 years old.) Without revealing the name of the organization, I will tell you that it is a nationally recongnized, large organization with several successful plants under their belt.
Fast forward to today. While we considered going through an organization and our pastor readily agreed to be tested (again), in the end we decided that the control an organization would have over how and to whom we would minister to was not worth any financial backing and recognition they could offer us. We are very fortunate to have a few mature believers who believe in what we are doing. They have demonstrated this faith by generously supporting our little church plant. We have a board of trustees that oversee what we do. One is a member, the other two are not. Being self-funded is a wonderful luxury, but we do not consider it to be carte blanche to do whatever suits us. We have a responsibility to preach and live out the Gospel of Christ that we take very seriously.
Until recently, no one outside our small circle of influence has had any interest in our tiny little church plant. Then I guest blogged for “Stuff Christians Like” about the “Dos and Don’ts of Church Planting” and all of the sudden people are coming out of the woodwork to offer their help. To which our response has been, “Thanks, but no thanks.” We haven’t changed. Because I wrote a piece on a popular Christian blog, all of the sudden how we do things is deemed worthy of support.
I guess I’m telling you all of this in an effort to say, if you feel that God is calling you to plant a church, to ignore Him would be a mistake. Big churches don’t necessarily equate to big results. I think that concentrating on discipling a few first, then bringing others in when opportunities arise is far better for the kingdom than feeding 1,000 members “Christian lite”. Even if you try and fail, you have learned something. We learn far more from our failures than from our success. I will be praying for you!
Hey Jeremy,
It’s been a long time, dude! I got here through Koffijah’s blog. It’s a small, small cyberworld after all! Great, great post. I agree with you–churches can be planted for next to nothing. Send me an email and tell me what you’re up to. The last time we chatted, you weren’t sure what was going to happen.
Stumbled over your blog looking for mega church directories (curiousity). You might want to check out Tony Campolo’s podcast – some of his recent posts (end of 2009) offer an interesting counter-view on mega churches. His podcast host does a good job I think of summarizing the complaints against mega churches, and then Tony spends three podcasts addressing those points.
Great posts, Jeremy. Am from Venezuela and here I can see a lot of things you are talking about.
(Sorry for my english… Am not a good english writer :P)
God bless you!