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  1. Religious as is, put chains on us, make us slaves. It is not truth that sets us free! Lived in inadequacy most of my life! Changed my views, life is awesome.

  2. Nizam Khan
    Level: 2 Kings

    I have seen lists of hundreds of similar questions. Perhaps the person who posted the questions wants legalists and those who tend to be blown about by every wind of doctrine to carefully and humbly examine what they believe.

    Then there are always those who don’t want their boats rocked; who prefer to remain in their theological comfort zone. Again, maybe such questions are asked to expose the ludicrous “foundation” upon which some beliefs are religiously held to be sacred.

    I doubt that the one who sent these questions was proposing what he/she believes; at least I hope not.
    I used to be cultish – not unlike the Pharisees of Jesus’ day – and refused to believe anything that I didn’t want to. Only because of God’s Spirit Who works with us, patiently and miraculously, that we are able to see and reject satanic deception.

    The following scripture from the MSG version is very telling and apropos to this post: “You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about me! And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want” (John 5:39-40).

    I also want to add that because of your teachings, gifts and generosity, Jeremy, that I can now begin to see through the lens of Jesus and the New Covenant. Thank you.

  3. Neville Briggs
    Level: Genesis

    The church where I used to attend , holds firmly to substitutionary atonement. I asked the preacher about the problem with this theology and was told that they doubted that I was saved.
    The problem is that if Jesus had to be punished in our place, then God cannot forgive. One cannot demand punishment and at the same time claim to be forgiving. Jesus told us to pray ” forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us “. What is it we are asked to do. To not ” forgive ” unless we are somehow paid off.
    The orthodox teachers refuse to deal with this anomaly. The person I spoke to , kept saying that God’s is just and demands justice. I responded that this means that God cannot forgive. He just ignored that response and kept repeating God has to have justice, God is required to punish sin.
    All through the New Testament believers are asked to be forgiving and not pay back. Are believers asked to do something that God won’t or cannot do ? I don’t think so.

    The other challenge that I see, is that , if Jesus died taking our punishment, are we to believe that Jesus suffered an horrific torture death because that is what God had in mind for us. Nothing in the bible says such a thing. The bible reveals that cruel violent death comes from the mind of man ( starting from Cain ).

    When Jesus was before Pilate, surely this was the opportunity for Jesus to state His mission of atonement. He did state His mission, to bear witness to the truth. The truth that , violence, cruelty, injustice does not come from God but from evil spiritual forces and from man. The truth that God can bear all the violence and evil thrown at Him but after His death, He lives again because He is not guilty and He has the divine capacity to forgive. The bible say that at the cross Jesus made a spectacle of the spiritual forces, they were wrong, He was right. They were impotent hate, He was love that overcame the world.

    • All very true Neville. The Calvinist leader you are referring to certainly would not agree with your proposition ie non violent atonement and in fact would as you stated ….saw you as a non believer. That being said, I wonder how God views our view of Him? especially if we believe he demanded the blood of his son to satisfy his wrath towards all us sinners. In essence the list of Jeremy’s questions paints a picture of just how confused the institutional church has become over Jesus’s death and resurrection. It paints God as a angry vengeful, so why would people want to follow him. God As Jeremy has pointed out many times if a person looks into scripture and views it through the lens of Christ, these questions disappear.

      • JannaG
        Level: Genesis

        Jesus also said that HE lays down his life. He wanted to lay down his life for the sheep.

        The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. (John 10:10-11)

        Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (John 10:17-18)

    • JannaG
      Level: Genesis

      “The church where I used to attend , holds firmly to substitutionary atonement. I asked the preacher about the problem with this theology and was told that they doubted that I was saved.”

      Well, that’s one way to keep people from asking you hard questions! Just question their salvation anytime they ask you anything you don’t want to answer…

      • Janna the answer you received is fairly typical and disappointing. Sometimes all you can do is move on within your own journey and be true to self

        • JannaG
          Level: Genesis

          That was a response to Neville’s quote. I just thought it was interesting that they questioned Neville’s salvation when they got hard questions.

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