A reader sent an email today with these questions:
- If Jesus died in the place of others, why does everyone else also die?
- If the penalty for sin is hell forever, and if Jesus paid the penalty for all the sins of the world, why is Jesus not the only one in hell forever?
- Did God punish Jesus by making him die and go to hell, or did God reward Jesus by raising him up from death and lifting him up to heaven?
- If Jesus died on a Friday afternoon and rose from the dead by the next Sunday morning, was the penalty for all the sins of the world less than two days dead?
- If God punished Jesus for all the sins of others by making him die on a cross, why are Judas Iscariot, Pontius Pilate, and Caiaphas not all heroes and saints for fulfilling the will of God?
- If people should rejoice at the suffering and death of Jesus, as if his pain were their gain, should they mourn his resurrection and ascension, as if his gain is their pain?
- If we live because Jesus died, do we die because Jesus rose to live again?
- If people go to heaven because Jesus went to hell, do people go to hell because Jesus went to heaven?
- Did the crucifixion of Jesus cancel the sins of others, or was it really the worst sin of all?
- Would God be just if He punished the innocent in place of the guilty?
- If Jesus paid the penalty for all the sins of others, and salvation in unconditional, is not everyone saved, no matter what he believes, says, or does?
- If the purpose of Jesus was to die, why did his story not end with his death?
- If good deeds make no difference, because no one can earn salvation, why did Jesus say so much about what persons should and should not do?
- How could the penalty for sins be paid hundreds of years before those sins were done?
- If Jesus, like a scapegoat, took away our sins when he died, did he bring back our sins when he came back from the dead?
- How could Jesus be a substitute to go in our places and also be a leader and example whom we should follow?
- If we do not follow Jesus, but he goes one way so that we can go another way, how do we expect to end up where he is?
- If Jesus were God, and God demanded that Jesus die to pay the penalty for the sins of everyone else, did God commit suicide?
As I read through these excellent questions about the death of Jesus, I realized that I couldn’t answer ANY of them because I didn’t accept the presuppositions that were within each question.
For example, with question #1, I do not believe Jesus died in the place of others. I do not believe in “substitutionary” atonement.
With question 2, I do not believe that the penalty for sin is hell forever.
With question 3, I do not believe that God punished Jesus by making him die and go to hell…
And so on throughout the list of questions….
This is the problem with the vast majority of theology today. We are asking wrong questions because we are beginning with wrong ideas about God, Jesus, sin, and hell.
All of the questions above disappear when we learn just a few things from Scripture. Like what?
- God does not require punishment for sin, or blood payment to forgive.
- God is infinitely gracious, forgiving, and loving.
- Jesus didn’t die to appease God or buy forgiveness from God.
- Hell isn’t what you think…
Start with those ideas, and the way you read and understand the Bible will forever be transformed. If you want help, here are three books to get you started:
Enjoy!
So true! Get that straight and life just blooms!
Religious as is, put chains on us, make us slaves. It is not truth that sets us free! Lived in inadequacy most of my life! Changed my views, life is awesome.
It is great 👍🏽 to be a human, totally loved by God!
Thank God, for people like you!
I have seen lists of hundreds of similar questions. Perhaps the person who posted the questions wants legalists and those who tend to be blown about by every wind of doctrine to carefully and humbly examine what they believe.
Then there are always those who don’t want their boats rocked; who prefer to remain in their theological comfort zone. Again, maybe such questions are asked to expose the ludicrous “foundation” upon which some beliefs are religiously held to be sacred.
I doubt that the one who sent these questions was proposing what he/she believes; at least I hope not.
I used to be cultish – not unlike the Pharisees of Jesus’ day – and refused to believe anything that I didn’t want to. Only because of God’s Spirit Who works with us, patiently and miraculously, that we are able to see and reject satanic deception.
The following scripture from the MSG version is very telling and apropos to this post: “You have your heads in your Bibles constantly because you think you’ll find eternal life there. But you miss the forest for the trees. These Scriptures are all about me! And here I am, standing right before you, and you aren’t willing to receive from me the life you say you want” (John 5:39-40).
I also want to add that because of your teachings, gifts and generosity, Jeremy, that I can now begin to see through the lens of Jesus and the New Covenant. Thank you.
The church where I used to attend , holds firmly to substitutionary atonement. I asked the preacher about the problem with this theology and was told that they doubted that I was saved.
The problem is that if Jesus had to be punished in our place, then God cannot forgive. One cannot demand punishment and at the same time claim to be forgiving. Jesus told us to pray ” forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us “. What is it we are asked to do. To not ” forgive ” unless we are somehow paid off.
The orthodox teachers refuse to deal with this anomaly. The person I spoke to , kept saying that God’s is just and demands justice. I responded that this means that God cannot forgive. He just ignored that response and kept repeating God has to have justice, God is required to punish sin.
All through the New Testament believers are asked to be forgiving and not pay back. Are believers asked to do something that God won’t or cannot do ? I don’t think so.
The other challenge that I see, is that , if Jesus died taking our punishment, are we to believe that Jesus suffered an horrific torture death because that is what God had in mind for us. Nothing in the bible says such a thing. The bible reveals that cruel violent death comes from the mind of man ( starting from Cain ).
When Jesus was before Pilate, surely this was the opportunity for Jesus to state His mission of atonement. He did state His mission, to bear witness to the truth. The truth that , violence, cruelty, injustice does not come from God but from evil spiritual forces and from man. The truth that God can bear all the violence and evil thrown at Him but after His death, He lives again because He is not guilty and He has the divine capacity to forgive. The bible say that at the cross Jesus made a spectacle of the spiritual forces, they were wrong, He was right. They were impotent hate, He was love that overcame the world.
All very true Neville. The Calvinist leader you are referring to certainly would not agree with your proposition ie non violent atonement and in fact would as you stated ….saw you as a non believer. That being said, I wonder how God views our view of Him? especially if we believe he demanded the blood of his son to satisfy his wrath towards all us sinners. In essence the list of Jeremy’s questions paints a picture of just how confused the institutional church has become over Jesus’s death and resurrection. It paints God as a angry vengeful, so why would people want to follow him. God As Jeremy has pointed out many times if a person looks into scripture and views it through the lens of Christ, these questions disappear.
Jesus also said that HE lays down his life. He wanted to lay down his life for the sheep.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. (John 10:10-11)
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (John 10:17-18)
“The church where I used to attend , holds firmly to substitutionary atonement. I asked the preacher about the problem with this theology and was told that they doubted that I was saved.”
Well, that’s one way to keep people from asking you hard questions! Just question their salvation anytime they ask you anything you don’t want to answer…
Janna the answer you received is fairly typical and disappointing. Sometimes all you can do is move on within your own journey and be true to self
That was a response to Neville’s quote. I just thought it was interesting that they questioned Neville’s salvation when they got hard questions.