In this series of proposals for how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament, there is one final view which may possibly be true, even if it is nearly impossible to believe.
This view is that although the portrayals of divine violence in Scripture appear to be harsh and cruel, they are in fact just and merciful. Though initially this view seems to be similar to the first view, that God is God and so can do anything He wants, this view is different enough that it deserves mentioning.
Essentially, this view takes quite seriously the portions of Scripture which portray some groups of humans as having become “only evil continually” (cf. Gen 6:5). In modern Western civilization, we often have very little concept of how cruel people can truly become. Believe it or not, our laws and our governments do a pretty good job of restricting wickedness and keeping evil people off of the streets and out of our neighborhoods. But this has not always been true of all countries throughout time, nor is it true for all areas of our globe even now.
Imagine a society where every person aspires to be like Joseph Kony of the Lord’s Resistance Army. It is estimated that Kony has abducted over 30,000 young boys into his army, and many stories report that to prepare these boys for the life they will lead in his army, one of the things Kony forces these young boys to do as “initiation” into his army is to have them brutally murder their own family members. Needless to say, with a beginning like this, the young boys often grow up to be thieves, rapists, and murderers of the worst kind. The United Nations has estimates that over 200,000 young girls and women have been raped in Congo during the past 15 years by members of the LRA.
Now, imagine a whole city filled with men like Joseph Kony. Since childbirth, each person in this city had been trained that the only way to survive was to be crueler than everybody else. That the only way to live for another day was to offer your daughters up to be raped by the warlords and your sons to be conscripted into their horrific army. If you ever refused, your daughters would be raped while you watched and your sons killed, before you yourself were tortured in the worst ways imaginable.
Do not think that it is impossible. Many of the movies that are made today are little more than outlets for the violence that resides in men’s hearts. Movies such as Saw, Seven, and The Collection reveal some of the depths to which the evil in men’s hearts can go. And these are “just movies.” For far too many people in cultures and eras of the past, the sort of horror depicted in these movies is not just imagination, but was a daily reality. This is true for many people in our day as well.
If mothers today can sell their grade-school daughters into prostitution, why couldn’t this sort of thing have happened five thousand years ago in Canaan as well? Can you imagine the living hell a five year old prostitute faces every single day? We also know that parents regularly offered up their infants to the god Molech. Molech had two large metal hands, held out in front of him to receive offerings. Prior to the offering, the priests of Molech would build a giant bonfire under the hands of Molech, until his hands glowed bright red. Only then were the parents allowed to place their living and naked baby into Molech’s hands, where it would die a screaming, agonizing death.
Many of the societies of the past were just as gruesomely violent. It is a fact that cultures such as the Amalekites, Canaanites, and Assyrians (and other cultures that are not mentioned in the Bible such as the Mayan, Inca, and Aztec civilizations) engaged in horrific and nightmarish practices against both enemies and their own people. Incest, bestiality, orgiastic religious prostitution, child sacrifice, horrific torture, blood rituals, gang rape, cannibalism, and countless other dreadful activities were common occurrences.
These sorts of descriptions could go on and on, but the point is this: Is it possible that in a civilization full of men like Jospeh Kony, Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Pol Pot, and Anders Breivik, it is actually merciful to kill everybody, including women and children? Could it be that there were some in these societies who were praying for death to come, and God mercifully answered their prayers by sending the Israelite army?
We must admit that it is possible. If you were being brutally tortured and gang raped every single day, would you not consider death a merciful release? There are some forms of living where death is better than life. And it would be more than justice in those sorts of cultures for all the adults to die for allowing such things to happen to the children, and furthermore, it could be construed as merciful to put the tortured children out of their misery.
Essentially then, this view states that in the face of great evil (so great we cannot hardly imagine it!) death is the righteous penalty for those who commit the wickedness and it is merciful for their victims.
I find this view compelling for it allows us to retain the historical accuracy of all of Scripture while at the same time, maintaining a view of the violence of God in the Old Testament which fits with the love and mercy shown in Jesus Christ. Part of the problem that many modern Westerners have with this view is that we rarely see or recognize how depraved and evil people can become. Shooting up a theater at a midnight showing of The Dark Night Rises is about the greatest evil we face. But this is little more than a scratch on the surface of the great evil to which people are capable, and I believe that it is these sorts of public tragedies that keep our eyes averted from the truly horrific crimes that are being committed every day in the basements and back alleys of our own cities. If you ever see such evil, you will admit that sometimes, death is merciful.
Yet there is one main problem with this view: It falls prey to the myth of redemptive violence. One of the oldest lies of the world is that evil and violence is best overcome and defeated by violence. We see evil things going on in the world, and our first instinct is to gather our guns and our bombs to go kill the people who are doing such terrible things.
Clearly, the desire to stop evil is good and noble. Resistance to evil is good and godly. The problem, however, is that using violence to fight violence results not only in more violence, but usually always results in greater evil as well. History shows time and time again that when violence is used to stop evil, the ones committing the violence often become just as evil (or worse) than the evil they were trying to stop. Nevertheless, we continue to resort to violence as the only way of restoring justice and peace upon the world.
Each advancing army believes that their cause is just and that when they emerge victorious from the battlefield, righteousness and peace will reign once again. They believe that through violence, they can stop violence. The pervasiveness of this idea is seen in nearly every book and movie. Even most cartoons and children’s books are based on the myth that violence must be used to defeat violence.
But it never works. It is a myth. When violence is used to defeat evil, it only results in more violence and evil.
If this is universally true, then it would seem that it should hold true for God as well. And indeed, when Jesus revealed the Father to us, His clear and consistent message was that war, violence, and rebellion was not the way to accomplish the will of God on earth. If we learn anything about God from Jesus, it is that God does not commit violence, even to stop evil. Evil must be resisted, but not with violence, for even divine violence would result only in greater evil.
Matthew Aznoe on Facebook says
Jeremy, you cannot separate the God from the New Testament from the God of the Old. They are one and the same. You see mercy and grace throughout the Bible as well as punishment for sin. You are correct that violence begets violence, but there is a big difference between violence and justice. We are to seek peaceful ways because our hearts are deceptively wicked; we are unable to administer true righteous vengeance. That is why God has said “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” He alone is the righteous judge who knows all hearts, and He will execute judgement — both in this life and in the life to come.
This notion that God does not punish people for sin is coming to you straight from Satan. God gave the example of Ananias and Sapphira to the early Church to remind them that even under grace, we should not take our position with God for granted. He is still holy and powerful, and sin is not to be trifled with. It is this very notion of permissiveness that has led to over half the men in the church being actively involved in pornography, the church having the same divorce rate as the world, and a people consumed with greed and a love of the world.
“For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
(Eph 5:5-6)
This isn’t just a vestige of Old Testament thought; this is a statement of fact and a warning to all that “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” and that there is a judgement coming for those who continue to rebel against God.
daniel says
I don’t consider punishment from God, who is love, means drowning you in a flood or burning you in a lake of fire. This series makes me think out of the box.
Matthew Aznoe on Facebook says
I was responding to the last paragraph which I assumed to represent your views: “If we learn anything about God from Jesus, it is that God does not commit violence, even to stop evil. Evil must be resisted, but not with violence, for even divine violence would result only in greater evil.” God will commit violence — certainly in the final judgement — but it will be truly in righteous judgement and not petty revenge.
Matthew Aznoe on Facebook says
This will probably have to wait until your posts, but how do you deal with passages like this one?
From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
(Rev 19:15 ESV)
And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.
(Rev 19:21 ESV)
Jeremy Myers on Facebook says
Matthew Aznoe, I think you have missed the entire point of this series and have completely misunderstood much of what I have written.
First, I am only reviewing views that people have regarding the violence of God in the Old Testament. None of these are MY views. They are views of others scholars. I have not presented my view yet.
Secondly, I have nowhere said that sin is not punished. Sin is always punished. But sin is it’s own punishment, and does not come from God (no verse in Scripture -properly translated says that it does). I do believe that God is judge and that He disciplines His children. I completely agree with every verse written in the Bible.
Jeremy Myers on Facebook says
I see. Well, that is what I believe the Bible teaches, but that is not the full expression or explanation of my view. And note that there is nothing in there about sin not being punished or God not judging. Sin is punished. God does judge. But not, I believe, with violence. We will see how in future posts.
Jeremy Myers on Facebook says
Yeah… Revelation is actually the hardest to deal with, but primarily because I have always interpreted the book in a particular way. I will deal with the book of Revelation in a few posts near the end of my current series.
Truthfully, I am not sure that my theory will stand the test of Scripture…. as it is only a theory right now, I need to propose it, then test it against Scripture. I appreciate any and all feedback on it as I go along.
HT Morgan says
I for one fully believe death can be one of God’s blessings. This is from an encounter from a relative. Father, mother, and daughter were and still are followers of Jesus. The daughter unfortunately got trapped into drugs. After the parents spent their entire savings and remortgaged there house in repeated efforts to save their daughter from the evils of drugs, which lead to many other horrible life styles, including prostitution, she was finally murdered by her supplier/pimp. The guy was arrested and convicted. The parents were left to deal with and reconcile the death of their daughter. Their final conclusion, after much prayer and searching, was that God was merciful in calling their daughter home than to continue to suffer in this world.
This is a highly compressed telling of the events that unfolded over years but to mom, dad, grand-mom and us, this was a blessing to spare her and them of more pain and suffering then they could bear.
They now celebrate her being pain free in the arms of a loving father.
Jeremy Myers says
Hm. One of the dangers of writing as I do is that much of my theology is not based on personal experience, but solely on my best attempt to understand Scripture in light of ancient literature, language, and culture.
I see how your relatives came to the conclusion they did about their daughter. I would not disagree with their conclusion. I WOULD disagree with anybody who said that it was God’s will for her to become an addict in the first place (as some Christians would say), but it doesn’t sound like you (or they) are saying that.
HT Morgan says
No, I’m not saying God caused her to be a addict. Just agreeing with her parents that God saw all her suffering and knew where it was all heading. They feel that God was merciful and allowed her to come home early and spare her and the family of unbearable grief. Those are there words, not mine. I understand the line of thought and agree…
Mike Wicoff says
Jeremy Good food for thought, thank you.
I must take issue with violence always begets more violence.
Take WW II, We defeated Hitlers Natzi’s with violence and bought more peace to the world.
What think ye?
Mike Wicoff