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Happy Fathers Day?

By Jeremy Myers
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Happy Fathers Day?

I vividly remember the first Father’s Day sermon I ever preached. As I tried to figure out what to preach on, I remembered that someone told me that there were no examples of perfectly good fathers in Scripture (other than God). In other words, every father in Scripture who is given more than just a brief mention, had serious moral failures and shortcomings. They were all flawed.

So since there probably weren’t any fathers in Scripture that were good examples of how to be a father, I decided to preach on the worst father in Scripture–Lot. So that is what I did. I called it “The Worst Father’s Day Sermon Ever.” And wow, was it bad! It is not a sermon you will ever find in my podcast. I remember looking out as I preached seeing all the mothers and fathers staring at me with that “deer in the headlights” look, eyes wide open, mouth agape. Some of the mothers were covering the ears of their children. It was bad.

After the sermon, not one person even tried to be nice about the message by saying “Nice sermon, pastor.” I only had one man make one comment about the message. He came up to me afterwards and said, “Well, one thing is for sure. That truly was the worst father’s day sermon ever.” He was a good friend of mine, so we both laughed about it, but the truth is that I felt pretty ashamed. I still do.

But ironically, this sort of thing happens every year on Father’s Day in churches across the country. The sermons that are preached from our pulpits may not be as bad as mine was, but most Father’s Day sermons tend to beat up on dads rather than encourage them and challenge them to dream big, take risks for God, embark on an adventure, charge ahead, and be a man! Instead, we beat them over the head with everything they are doing wrong.

I’m reading the excellent book How Women Help Men Find God by David Murrow (I will post a review of it when I’m finished), and in the book he quotes Dr. Kevin Leman as saying:

Not only are men supposed to attend morning Bible studies, but they’re supposed to get home in time for dinner, spend time alone with each child, date their wives once a week, and earn enough money so that their wives can stay home with their young children. This is a heavy load, and some Christian men start to resent it” (p. 37).

Then Murrow quotes Nancy Wray Gegoire who said this:

I’ve often noticed that sermons on Mother’s Day tend to gush over moms, while on Father’s Day they tell dads to shape up” (p. 37).

Just yesterday, I read the following over at the Church for Men blog:

Mother’s Day: A day devoted to honoring moms.
Father’s Day: A day to beat up men for not doing a better job!

So I hope that this Sunday, you are able to honor, bless, and encourage the men in your church. If you want to learn how to challenge men to action, I recommend the books by David Murrow and John Eldredge. And whatever you do, don’t preach on Lot.

P.S. My “Lot Sermon” was my third worst sermon ever. My WORST sermon was at a wedding. Some day I’ll tell you about it. I hope that couple is still together, but if not, they can blame me for starting out their marriage on the wrong foot. Yes, it was that bad.

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US Evangelism

By Jeremy Myers
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I used to think that the best way to evangelize was to preach in churches. I figured that most “Christians” were not actually “saved” and so needed to hear the “true gospel” (as preached by me), and once they believed it, they would then become “true believers.”

In other words, I thought that the most fertile soil for evangelism in the United States was among those who were already in churches. I saw the US as a mission field, and churches as the primary location to sew the seeds of the gospel.

As I have developed a missionary mindset, this thinking has changed. While I certainly believe that the US is a mission field, and while I do believe that there are many, many people who go to Christian churches who have not believed in Jesus for eternal life, I have found that the most common result of telling church goers that they might not be saved is a lot of angry church goers. 

I think that the average person in the average church, even if they don’t believe in Jesus for eternal life, are not very receptive or open to anything I might be able to tell them. If they don’t believe in Jesus, but they do attend church, they are likely to have a “Pharisaical” mindset, and therefore, it is almost a complete waste of time, money, and energy to pursue them.

The much more fertile soil in the US are those who would never darken the door of any church in the US. They are the ones I am hoping to reach, and who are receptive to talking about Jesus, and His promise of eternal life to those who believe in Him for it. Trying to tell this message to people in churches seems to do very little except split churches.

So who are you talking to about the free offer of eternal life through faith in Jesus? Are they primarily “churched” people? If so, how’s that working out for you? Have you seen any “conversions” recently? How about church splits and angry board meetings? I’d say that if as a result of what you’ve said, you’ve made more people angry than you have seen people come to faith in Jesus, you’re probably sewing seeds on the wrong soil.

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True Sacrificial Giving

By Jeremy Myers
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Many years ago, I read a biography about a famous Christian inventor who gave away 90% of his income. I remember hearing others speak of his “sacrifice” in awed tones: “Just imagine! Most people only give God 10% and keep 90% for themselves, but this man gave God 90% and only lived on the remaining 10%.” I was duly impressed as well, until I learned that the man earned over $10 million annually…in the 1940’s and 50’s. So while I am truly impressed by his generosity, he nevertheless still lived on $1 million a year…which in today’s economy, would be like making about $10 million. (See tables here.) 

Then yesterday I read an article in a leading Christians news magazine about a plastic surgeon who gave up an income of $7-9 million here in the States to go help Ethiopians who have facial birth defects. He is now making $60,000 annually. That truly is quite a praiseworthy sacrifice! However, when you realize that the per capita annual income for an Ethiopian is $700, a $60,000 income in Ethiopia would be like making about $4 million annually here in the States (where per capita income is $46,000).

None of this is to criticize what these men have done or are doing. I do think they both went way above and beyond what the average person would do with their money. However, I think that God judges by a different standard than we do. Personally, I think that the person who is making $25,000 a year here in the states, and is barely able to pay their rent, but nevertheless gives $1000 a year to help others in need, is way more sacrificial than the men and women that get all the worldly praise and recognition.

(Some Christians might say, “Yeah, but $1000 still isn’t 10%. That Christian should be giving $2,500.” To this I graciously say, “You don’t know what you’re talking about. The 10% tithe is an Old Covenant principle used legalistically by some to steal from others so we can build bigger church buildings. And it never was even 10% anyway. It was closer to 30%.” But that’s another blog post…)

Anyway, I think God views giving much differently than we do. Is God pleased when rich people give away (or give up) large sums of money to serve Him? Sure. But I think He is just as pleased (if not more so) when people who don’t have much of anything at all, choose to use some of their money to help others. That, I am convinced, is true sacrificial giving.

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Rhizomic Believers

By Jeremy Myers
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I had lunch today with several great people: Dr. Carl Raschke, author of The Next Reformation and the soon to be released GloboChrist, Tony Brown, author of the eventually to be released Poseranity, Stephen Hammond, pastor of Mosaic Arlington and co-director of Square1 Church Planting, Carey Gable, pastor of The Vine Community in Paris, TX, Nathan Laughlin, facilitator of the Open Circle Network, and Joe Bryan, NAMB missionary in Bonham, TX.

We came together to talk about Rhizomic Networks. Apparently, this is what Hugh Halter and Matt Smay, authors of The Tangible Kingdom, are doing in Denver with Adullam. A rhizome, from what I gathered, is a type of plant that spontaneously spreads through sending out shoots which then multiplies and sends out more shoots. Potatoes, vines, and St. Augustine grass are rhizomes. From what I gathered, rhizomes spread amazingly fast, are able to adapt to nearly any sort of climate or soil, and it is very difficult for the farmer to get the rhizome to go where he wants it to go. The best thing a farmer can do is figure out where the plant is naturally going, and then nurture it in that direction.

This can be applied to living as followers of Jesus. A rhizomic believer seeks to develop relationships, with no strings attached to that relationship. While the believer may desire to see others believe in Jesus and follow Him, if the friendship doesn’t go that way, we have to be okay with that, and maintain the friendship. Otherwise, it’s not a true friendship. But if we’re patient and observant in such friendships, we may begin to detect where God is at work in our friend’s life. But we can’t try to get ahead of God, or ahead of our friend, but should instead let God and that person initiate when, where, and how spiritual investigation takes place. In this way, discipleship is not something we have a program for, or something we can force on anyone, but is rather a product of God being at work in and through our genuine friendships with other people. 

So the catch phrase of a rhizomic approach to friendship and church planting is this: “Where it goes is where it grows.”

What are your thoughts on all of this?

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Religious Conversations vs. Spiritual Conversations

By Jeremy Myers
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Religious Conversations vs. Spiritual Conversations

talking about GodWhen someone finds out you are a Christian, how do they respond?

As Wendy and I talk with people in our neighborhood, at the store, or down at the park, it often seems that the discussion comes back around to “religion.” Maybe someone asks what brought us to Oregon, and when they find out I am a chaplain, the subject moves to religion. Or maybe they find out that I used to be a pastor. Or maybe one of our girls is singing “Jesus Loves Me” at the top of her voice.

Anyway, however it comes up, Wendy and I have noticed that there are four basic responses.

Antagonistic Response

A very small percentage of people get somewhat antagonistic and imply that we are crazy for believing in God and the Bible.

Wendy and I are not offended or put off by this kind of response, and we are generally able to have great conversations with these people. The conversations are not always about Jesus or the Gospel, but that’s okay. We’re not trying to cram Jesus or the Bible down anybody’s throat.

Usually we find that the criticisms and concerns these people have with Christianity (and religion in general) are the exact same criticisms and concerns we have. Acknowledging and agreeing with their concerns often leads to a great conversation about Jesus.

Avoidance Response

About half of the people who hear the words “Jesus,” “seminary,” “pastor,” or “church” just want to avoid talking about religion, and quickly change the subject. That’s understandable, especially in light of many of the common “evangelistic” techniques that are popular today.

If they don’t want to talk about such things, neither do we. We aren’t one of those “Christians” who have to turn every conversation around to Jesus (e.g. “Oh, it’s your daughter’s birthday? Cool! You know who has a birthday on December 25th?”).

We always allow the other person to determine how much or how little they want to talk about spiritual matters. If someone simply doesn’t want to talk about God, Scripture, or Jesus, then neither do we.

Religious Response

Around 25% of the people respond positively by telling us how involved they are in church.

Generally, when they hear that we are followers of Jesus, they tell us what church they go to, how faithfully they attend, and how involved they are. I call this a religious response because they seem to want to emphasize to me that they are performing their religious duty.

god in every conversationFrankly, I have the hardest time connecting with these people, because once they know I have been a “religious” leader, it seems that all they want to do is talk about devoted and dedicated they are. I find that I am often the one trying to change the subject to sports or the weather, but they keep bringing it back to their own religious efforts (e.g. “Yes, it is hot, and I’m so glad, because I prayed for good weather today.”)

Quite often, these people quickly get around to asking where we attend church. I have struggled with how to answer this question for many years, because while we do not officially “attend church,” we feel that we are more involved with the Church than ever before, and are following Jesus in a more relational way than we ever did as regular church attenders or church leaders.

So now we simply say that we are trying to follow Jesus in a deeply relational way and that right now, we are taking a break from attending church so that we can allow God to lead us into what He wants for us. This is not only the truth, but it also avoids any sort of heated discussion about “forsaking the assembling of yourselves together.”

Usually, of course, when the person hears that we do not currently “attend church,” they immediately invite us to attend theirs. We never turn them down or say no, but thank them for the invitation, and tell them we will keep it in mind.

Again, the goal is not to convince them to leave their church or understand what we are doing and why. Since nobody persuaded or convinced us to follow Jesus the way we do now, I am pretty sure I can not persuade or convince others to do the same. Hopefully, the conversation I had with this person will lead to future conversations as well.

Relationship Response

One of the responses I enjoy the most comes from people who seem to have a relationship with God, but who may or may not attend a church. In fact, with these people, church rarely comes up.

I find that they are not too concerned about telling me all that they are doing for God in church. They are not focused on their own performance. Instead, they focus on how God is at work in their life, what He is teaching them, and where He has shown up in miraculous ways.

Sometimes they are apologetic about not “attending church” and I am able to affirm and encourage them that I don’t “attend church” either, but am able to follow Jesus in a more relational way just as they are.

Since some of these people have never heard a former pastor and seminary student praise them for “leaving the church,” this often launches us into a conversation about Jesus and religion.

Not all Conversations are “Religious” … but all are Spiritual

Do not misunderstand. The vast majority of my conversations with other people during my week have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, God, church, or the Bible. We talk about sports, work, family, politics, current events, or whatever.

I sometimes think that Christian writers and speakers give the wrong impression with stories like the ones I have shared above. People who read such articles think that if they are truly following Jesus, they need to be having spiritual conversations every day with people.

That is not true.

religious conversationsWell … actually … it is true.

You ARE having spiritual conversations with people every day, even if you don’t talk about Jesus, God, Scripture, or church.

When you begin to understand what life and church really looks like as a follower of Jesus outside of the framework of religion, you begin to see that everything is spiritual, every act is devotion, and every conversation is full of God.

Look at it this way: God is a relational being, and He created us for relationship, and so if you are building a relationship with somebody through a conversation you are having with them, or a way you are encouraging them to show them that you love them, then you ARE being spiritual.

Things get “religious” when we feel that we have to introduce God, Jesus, the Bible, or the church into every conversation.

When it comes to people who claim a connection with God, there are religious people and relational people.

Religious people focus on what they are doing for God and how they can force God into every conversation and relationship.

Relational people, on the other hand, focus on what God has done for them, and know that God is already in every conversation and relationship (even if He is not mentioned), so they can just love and enjoy the person standing in front of them right now.

The most spiritual conversations you will have are never planned or prepared. They don’t take place in a circle where everyone has a Bible in their lap. No, they take place at the grocery store, down at the park, with your neighbor over the back fence.

You do not need to go out looking for spiritual conversations with others. Instead, just recognize that the conversations you are already having ARE spiritual.

Check out this quote from David Bosch’s book Transforming Mission:

Kingdom people seek first the Kingdom of God and its justice; church people often put church work above concerns of justice, mercy, and truth. Church people think about how to get more people into the church; Kingdom people think about how to get the church into the world. Church people worry that the world might change the church; Kingdom people work to see the church change the world (p. 378. He is quoting Howard Snyder, Liberating the Church ).

That is similar to what I am trying to present here.

What are your experiences with having conversations with others about God and church? Do the four categories I present above pretty much fit your experience as well? What about this idea of not having to force God into every conversation? Does it make sense to realize that He is already in every conversation? What might you add to this description?

God is Redeeming Church, Redeeming Life Bible & Theology Topics: being the church, Discipleship, evangelism, relationships, Theology of the Church

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