No Sacrifice for Willful Sin is Left

sacrifice for sinMany people believe that Hebrews 10:26 teaches that people lose their salvation for willful sin. This passage has perplexed Christians for centuries.

Hebrews 10:26 says that “if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” (NKJV).

Many people believe Hebrews 10:26 is teaching that intentional, willful sin causes them to lose their salvation. It is sometimes taught that God forgives unintentional sin, but not intentional. That is, if we know something is wrong, and we do it anyway, we lose eternal life because according to Hebrews 10:26, there is no sacrifice that covers willful sin.

Part of the problem with this way of thinking is that there are very few sins which are not willful. When most people sin, they know good and well that what they are doing is wrong. So if Hebrews 10:26 means what some people claim, then nobody has eternal life, or at least, nobody is able to keep it for any length of time.

Furthermore, we have numerous examples of biblical saints who knowingly and willfully commit terrible sins. All the fathers of the faith committed willful sin, include Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So also, some of the best kings of Israel, like David and Solomon, performed terrible deeds of darkness. Even some of the prophets, like Jonah, behaved in ways they knew were terrible acts of rebellion against God. But we fully expect to see all of these people in heaven.

So what about Hebrews 10:26?

Well, it says what it says: there is no sacrifice for willful sin.

And this was true under the Levitical law. If you go through and read all the different sacrifices that are described in Leviticus and Deuteronomy for all the various types of sin, you will see that God never provides a sacrifice for willful sin. All the sacrifices are for sins that were committed in ignorance (since the law was so complex, many people transgressed the law without recognizing it until later), and for regaining purity after something in life caused uncleanness. But if someone purposefully, knowingly, and willfully transgressed the Law of God, there was no sacrifice available to them for such sins.

So was there nothing they could do?

Of course not! They committed willful sins just as frequently as we do today, and God loved them just as much as He loves us today, and God did not want to abandon them to despair any more than He wants to abandon us today. So what avenue was available to people who committed willful sin?

The same avenue that is available to us today: falling completely and solely upon the grace of God.

Forgiveness for Willful Sin

Forgiveness for willful sin has always been received through the grace of God.

Today we know that this grace is available to us through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but prior to His death and resurrection, the grace of God was still available, but they just did not understand the means by which God made it available. Instead, they just had to depend, rely, and trust on the goodness of God and His grace extended to them.

Sacrifice for willful sinWhen the author of Hebrews writes his letter, he is writing to people who want to reject the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross as sufficient for our sins, and return to dependence and reliance upon the Levitical Law. In numerous warning passages (Heb 2:1-4; 3:7-19; 5:11–6:12; 10:19-39; 12:14-29), the author of Hebrews tells his readers that if the life, death, resurrection, and High Priestly ministry of Jesus is not sufficient, then we have no hope, no forgiveness, no grace, no mercy, and no eternal life.

When the author of Hebrews writes that there is no sacrifice in the Mosaic Law for willful sin, he means exactly what he says. Hebrews 10:26 means that there is no sacrifice in the law for willful sin. All depends solely on grace. ⇦ Tweet that!

If we reject the complete and all-encompassing sacrifice of Jesus, no sacrifice for willful sin remains. If we reject the means by which God extends grace and mercy to us, and want to depend instead on the blood of bulls and goats, then there is no chance of forgiveness, but instead have only a “certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation” (Heb 10:27).

So thank God for Jesus, and thank God for grace!

One final note about Hebrews 10:26

As I pointed out in my study on Hebrews 6:1-8, the book of Hebrews is written to Hebrew Christians who were facing severe persecution for being a Christian. Some of them were thinking about returning to Judaism in order to avoid persecution.

By stating that no sacrifice for sin is left in Hebrews 10:26, the author of Hebrews is making a very similar point to that made in Hebrews 6, namely, that the Hebrew Christians came to recognize that the Levitical sacrificial system did not grant them eternal life or forgiveness of sins. This came only through Jesus.

So now, the author of Hebrews says, if these Hebrew Christians return to the sacrificial system, then there is not sacrifice there which can offer forgiveness of sins or eternal life. And if they reject forgiveness through Jesus, then where will they turn for forgiveness? If forgiveness isn’t in the Law, and by returning to the Law, they announce that forgiveness isn’t in Jesus, then “no sacrifice for sin is left.” Where else can they go to receive forgiveness? Nowhere!

Nowhere is the author making the point that if people sin willfully, or even if they return to an empty form of religion which accomplished nothing, that this proves that they do not have eternal life, lost their eternal life, or never had it in the first place. No, the author pretty clearly states throughout this letter that he knows his readers do have eternal life. So this warning passage in Hebrews 10, like the others in this letter, should be read as an invitation and encouragement for the Hebrew Christians to stick with Jesus Christ through thick and thin, come what may.

For the worst life with Jesus is far better than the best life without Him. ⇦ Tweet that!

Only in Jesus is eternal life and the forgiveness of sins. If people rejected their religion to come to Jesus, but then later reject Jesus, what is there to go back to except for empty religion? So it is better to stick with Jesus.

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  1. DavidnFran says

    Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
    Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

      • DavidnFran says

        But only the Spirit of Yahweh can cause a person to understand, and then receive the Word into their hearts, submitting to It.

        Those of us that have received the true gospel, are expecting to be totally purified from all sin, in this earth, and in this lifetime, through faith in Yahshua! ALL things are going to be pure in us, the ekklesia! We are believing for, and expecting it! Nothing less is acceptable to us! We have received the truth into our hearts that the resurrection power of Yahshua is working in us unto salvation from sin! We are not to be saved from it, while still being captured by it at the same time! That is double mindedness! But those that say that even the saints of Yahweh will always be sinners, and that their purification will only be fully had when we get to heaven, undercut the gospel covenant. Without even knowing it, they are making provision for the flesh! Without even knowing it, they are teaching faithlessness! Without even knowing it, they teach that the salvation from sin, and death, bought for us by our Savior’s life, suffering, death, and resurrection, is a salvation that leaves us at least partially in the grip of the sin that He came to save us from! This is what is referred to as “denying the power of the gospel”!

        I submit that a faith in Yahshua that is less than a faith for total salvation is NOT a true gospel salvation! No provision has been made for willful sinners in ANY covenant that Yahweh has ever been a part of! We have been given grace whereby we serve Yahweh with reverence, and godly fear! Grace is the power to serve Yahweh properly! Anyone that teaches that our Savior paid the price for someone’s sin that, after receiving the knowledge of what our Savior has done for them, they can decide to disobey Him anyway, is teaching a false gospel – a “gospel” that does not conform you to godliness!

        • says

          I agree 100% that no provision for willful sinners has ever been made in any covenant… but this doesn’t mean that willful sinners are damned, but rather that willful sinners (like everyone else) must rely solely and completely on the grace of God in Jesus Christ.

          • DavidnFran says

            If you read Hebrews 10 again, I think that you will see that willful sin is trampling our Savior under foot, and that a worse judgment falls on the person that does that than what fell on the Israelite that was in the desert with Moses that gathered sticks on the sabbath day. And that person was stoned to death. In other words, they didn’t make it! Trampling our Savior under foot, according to what you say here in your article, can be a regular part of a believer’s walk and they still spend eternity in heaven with the One that they are trampling.

            Also, if getting to go to heaven is “no provision”, what is?

          • DavidnFran says

            They didn’t go to heaven for breaking Yahweh’s law, and neither will we, even if we sit on the front row at a meetin’ hall every single day, sayin’ “Jesus is Lord!”! Gettin’ killed is not good! It is not a type, and/or a shadow of eternal life! It is a type of spiritual destruction, and a warning for us in these last days! Read Hebrews 3, and 4, and see that if we fail to go in faith to take the land we are meant to take, we will die in the wilderness the way that most of Israel did. Once again, getting killed in the wilderness is not good, and it says right there that this example is a warning to us. You can make it about controversial questions if you wish, but I recommend, for myself, and everyone else, humbly submitting to these warnings.

          • says

            Yes, they are serious warnings. But again, they are warnings about physical death and other consequences, which are not tied to our eternal destiny or whether or not we have eternal life. Eternal life is a gift of God to anyone who believes in Jesus for them.

          • DavidnFran says

            Anyone that “believes in Jesus” believes in Him for the power to do what is right in His eyes, and to walk as He walked! And He honors that faith, and brings it to pass! There is no option for believing for eternity in heaven without believing for this! Yahweh gives His Spirit to those that obey Him! You are either walking in faith, and by the Spirit, pleasing Him, or you are walking in faithlessness, and in the flesh, and disobeying His Word! You can’t be in faithlessness, and in faith at the same time! You can’t be drowning, and safe on the river bank at the same time! Willful sinners are not in faith, don’t please God, and have no part in Messiah! Don’t be deceived! Those that do what is right in God’s eyes are the only ones that God considers righteous! We are instructed “not to sin!” But if we stumble, we have an advocate with the Father, our Savior. Tunnel vision caused by lying traditions of men will have you leading others through the wide gate that leads to destruction. And destruction is not good! We judge ourselves by our fruit to see if we are in the faith, or not. Yahweh wants us to know that we know we are in faith. And the only way that we can know that we know we are in the faith is if we find ourselves thinking, speaking, and acting like Yahshua, our Forerunner. That leaves out willful sinners – even the ones that say nice words about Him! You can’t be saved by faith if you aren’t in faith to begin with! We act on what we really believe, and willful sinners believe they can deliberately disobey God, trample Yahshua under foot, and still go to heaven. They are faithless, and unbelieving! Persons of faith believe that Yahshua can live out His life through them by His Spirit, bringing honor to Himself, and the Father.

            Now, I am not saying that a faithless person cannot become a person of faith! They certainly can! But if they don’t recognize, and acknowledge their faithlessness, and turn from it, and seek forgiveness for it, they can’t! And if you keep teaching faithless persons that they are faithful enough to go to heaven, but just may suffer some gruesome things here on earth for their willful rebellion toward God, you are partly responsible for what happens to them!

          • DavidnFran says

            The Spirit of Yahshuah obeys Yahweh perfectly, so anyone that walks by faith in Him, and by the Spirit, also walks, by grace, in that godly perfection with Them! It’s not about me! It’s about what They do if They have control of your life – the mystery of godliness at work – Yahshua in me, the Hope of glory! I no longer walk as the pagans do, and as I once did! I no longer live, but Yahshua lives in me in my place! I am being built up into the full stature of my Messiah, in this earth, and in this lifetime! They are working in me to will, and to want to do Their good pleasure! That’s a lot of God’s power working in someone! To willfully sin with all of this grace being poured on us to enable us to walk right in God’s eyes is a horrible sin against that Grace, and a despising of that Grace! How many people that despise God’s Grace do you think will be in heaven? Lots, apparently! But there won’t be!

            You will have to be willing to rewrite some of your books if you want to move forward with your Savior! Protecting doctrines with controversial questions, and arguments about words is where you are presently living. Until you accept the sound words of our Savior, and His very plain teachings that conform you to godliness, in this earth, and in this lifetime, you will continue to be deprived of the Truth! But the very minute that you are willing to let God rewrite your books, if He would want to, is the moment that He would have all of your heart, and that He would open your eyes to see all of His very plain words! As long as you love your doctrines more than you love Them, you are an idolater! Idolaters don’t make it, even if they have followings, and “do stuff for God”.

            It’s a good thing to find out if I am in idolatry, because, since I love God more than anything, I will be glad to repent of anything so that I can move closer to Them! So, I am not condemning anyone here! I am hoping for the very best for you! I trust that the Truth is the only Thing that will get anyone there, though, so I bring it in hope that it achieves that good purpose!

          • DavidnFran says

            Yes, and in 1 Corinthians immature Christians practiced strife and jealousy. But he did not stop there and say that it was just dandy! In 2 Corinthians he told them that he feared for them that that strife and jealousy that was in them might still be in them when he came to them again. And that his ministry to them might have been in vain. In vain means “for nothing”. Strife, and jealousy are listed among the works of the flesh that are not to even be named among the brethren, right along with murder! And Paul said at one time that he did sinful things that he hated, and failed to do the good that he wanted to do. But he did not stop there! He said that Yahshua was going to deliver him from that body of sin, and death, and he was going to overcome, and be a mature man, blameless in ALL his behavior. Just like Paul, I say what he says! I overcome by the body, and blood of Yahshua, and the word of my testimony!

            Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
            Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish.

            Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
            Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

            Do you contend that inheriting the kingdom of God is different than going to heaven? Apparently you do! But Paul says otherwise! I believe Paul!

            I am giving you numerous scriptures in context, and in balance. All you have is isolated scriptures, and doctrines of men that do not conform you to godliness.

            1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
            1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
            1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

            I believe what the Word says, ahead of nice folks any day of the week! Is your heart going toward gain? You can’t make a lot in this world saying what the Word really says! It separates!

          • says

            I have nowhere said sin was okay. Sin is not okay. Don’t put words into my mouth. There are serious temporal and eternal consequences for sin.

          • DavidnFran says

            Jeremy, I am glad that you agree with the Word that sin is rebellion toward God! But you have been teaching that willfully rebellious persons will be going to heaven. This is my point of contention, because I want to make sure that, like Paul, and Yahshua, I warn everyone that the consequences of rebellion toward our Maker is everlasting damnation! And that includes if you claim to have faith in Yahshua, too, while in this rebellion! Deceived persons all over the place are claiming/thinking to have saving faith in our Savior when they don’t! The Word very plainly instructs us to examine the fruit of our lives to make sure that we are in the faith. That is what I am echoing here! The Word is very clear, when read in balance, and context, in saying that willfully rebellious persons have no place in the kingdom of God! And, as I have already repeated, that includes if you think you are going to heaven!

            I think that a traditional doctrine of men/demons is responsible for this kind of teaching. “Once saved, always saved!” is not found in the scriptures! Now I certainly believe in the security of the believer! But, I certainly do not believe in the security of the non believer that thinks that they are a believer, that has been convinced, through false teachings, that they are believers when they are not! These kinds of teachings like the one you have here is having false converts never find out that they are not really in the faith! And never finding out, they never have reason/opportunity to repent, and enter into the faith. This is a horrible tragedy, in my thinking, and I cannot stand by idly when I see it!

            I called out to God to save me when I was 21. He miraculously worked in response to my cry! But I was 44 before I could say with assurance that I was in Yahshua. I looked back on all of the willful sin that had still been in my life after crying out, and I could see that I had been loving that sin more than I loved the Father, and the Son. Until I came to a place where I was ready to lay it all down, I did not have eyes to see, or an ability to face the truth about myself! I saw that I had not been in the faith, but had only really acknowledged that I needed to be in the faith. I was in a wilderness where God was getting me to a place where I could even conceive of entering in to His promised land. This is the context of all of my previous statements here. I know that I know that I am in Them now because I find myself in continuous surrender to Them! I am in faith based on the fruit of my life. I continue to inspect my life as the Word shines it’s marvelous Light, in hopes of being further conformed to Their image, through repentance from all dead works! I am not trying to earn my salvation! I am just cooperating with the Spirit in me, to the praise, and honor of the Father, and the Son! Having seen all of this, how the promised land is attainable, and meant to be possessed, I want everyone to have opportunity to go in! I am in agreement with God on this!

          • says


            I think you don’t know much about what I believe. You keep assuming certain things about my belief, and then accusing me of these things.

            Here is my suggestion. Before we continue this conversation, study up on what I believe, and then bring your questions. Just look through the archives of this blog, or do some searches using the Google Search button. If you don’t want to do this, then the conversation needs to end here.

            I am glad that you want to teach the truth as you see it, but my blog is not the location for you to do that. Instead, I recommend you start a blog of your own and let people come to you to ask questions and to learn.

          • DavidnFran says

            Hebrews 10:26 is the verse that “got me saved”. When I received the truth in that verse, I could no longer justify being a willful sinner. God had got me to a place where I could face the truth about my sins, and about how I was really a lost sinner that knew his need for a Savior, but had not really repented of ALL my sins. The Spirit of God used that verse to convict me, and bring me to repentance for ALL my sins, and THEN, ever increasing faith in Yahshua. Your explanation of this verse would not have accomplished this in my life, but would have allowed me to continue justifying the sin in my life, to the glory of satan! When I interpret a difficult passage, I now ask, “How will this best conform me to godliness?”. That is the best test that I know of for interpreting hard passages, and for determining whether someone has really received the true gospel! I know what I know ONLY because I have been caused to believe what God says!

          • Uber1911 says

            I am probably ill equipped to post a reply to this discussion but I have some questions?
            If a person commits a sin is it not he or she that commits the sin and ultimately resposible for the consequences? That would seem to make the sinner the responsible party for the sin according to the New Covenant and making all sin “willful” and short of the Glory of God? Is not the consequence of sin death? How many “unwillful” sins does it take to equal a “willful” sin in God’s Eyes? Is there anyone who is righteous who walks or has walked this earth as a human being, except Jesus Christ? Can people attain Godly perfection in their lives by their own doings? If our fleshly, carnal bodies can become perfect, why do they die? Where is it stated that we can attain forgiveness and heaven by anything other than believing the Grace of God through, in and of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ? If not for Jesus Christ would not just one sin qualify the sinner for an eternity without God?
            I am not trying to be a wise acre with this post! I don’t know much about the above people who have posted. It seems to me that we are all sinners and always will be as long as we are in these bodies and there is no hope in anything we can do of or by our own selves. Jesus Christ has been alone in qualifying, the rest of us can’t comprehend how utterly miserable we have, do and continue to fail. My intention has not been to be mean spirited to anyone or in anyway.

          • Edwin Pastor FedEx Aldrich says


            I think you pretty much have it right, you seem to be pretty well equipped to me. Just like those in Paul’s time, there are those today that want to add something to salvation. Repentance is a work and if we really had to repent of all of our sins before God could save us then there would be no hope for any of us. Jesus even went as far as calling out our sinful thoughts even when they don’t lead to action. So I think it truly impossible to repent of all our sin, I would even say that just confessing all our sin is impossible. The fact is, that the Good news is not that God gives us the power to keep the law better, Romans 7 pretty much rules this out, no the good news is that God DID what the law could not do and in Christ fulfilled the just requirements of the law as we see in Romans 8. The Gospel is not that God makes it so we can somehow do it, but THAT GOD HAS DONE IT. Just as you say, our duty is to recognize our helplessness and inability and throw ourselves on God’s gracious provision in Christ’s sacrifice.

          • DavidnFran says

            If you think that Yahshua had special powers over, and above what we have access to that enabled Him to obey God, that would be saying that He did not come in the same flesh that we are living in. That would be saying that He did not really lay down all of His power when He came to this world, and that none of us could ever follow in His foot steps. But He did! And since He is our Forerunner, we are supposed to run after Him, and run the same way that He ran! He lived by the Spirit, and we are given grace to do the same, if we only could believe! And then, after throwing ourselves on the mercy of God for forgiveness, we would also throw ourselves on His mercy to cause us to will, and to want to do His good pleasure. If you don’t believe, or want to believe, that it is possible, then for you it will not be! But for the believing, He is faithful to bring it to pass!

            Repentance from all known dead works is the first teaching of Our Savior. (You can’t repent of dead works that you don’t know about yet.) Then after that He taught faith in God. You can’t do the latter until you’ve done the first! I would know because I tried to do it the other way, but like the Word predicts, it does not work!


          • Uber1911 says

            I am sorry that you are of this mind! You want to demonstrate “your” truth by signs and works that you have been part of and experienced but show no scriptural support or choose to apply scripture as your own private interpretation! Romans 3:10-23 is clear in defining your, our(every person) state of and in sin! You have been deceived and I hope and pray that you find the TRUTH!

          • DavidnFran says

            You should include these verses:

            Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
            Rom 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

            You tell a true brother that he is deceived for believing that the resurrection power of Yahshua is strong enough to cause him to die to all sin, becoming a mature man, giving Yahshua a place to live in the earth in him by His Spirit, and so have a place in the earth to live out His nature, and character, to His glory, and the glory of the Father. But you tell a false brother that he is doing very well in his ongoing practice of sin, as he acknowledges his absolute, and unchangeable inability to ever leave sin behind.

            Rom 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

            Just as sin was passed down to us from Adam, doing what is right in God’s eyes has been passed down to us from Yahshuah, unless we have something else worked out!

            Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
            Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
            Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
            Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
            Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
            Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
            Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

            When you repent – turn away from – all known sin, you are dying, and being buried with your Savior. Only AFTER that can you rise to live in this newness of life! You must die before you can rise! You teach that we can never really die to all of the world, the flesh, and the demonic, so for you, that is your confession, and that is your reality.

            Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
            Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
            Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
            Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
            Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
            Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
            Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
            Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

            My confession is that I am dead to sin, and alive to God, so, God honors my faith, and brings to pass what I am confessing! I am not condemning anyone here! I am hoping that you can get in on this newness of life! Is there anything wrong with finding yourself as the recipient of the free gift of walking in the God kind of love, where you see God loving through you, and manifesting His fruit instead of the fruit of the devil? Or do you really think, as it seems you are saying here, that God gets more glory from those that confess that, as long as they are in this world, they will be in bondage to a certain amount of sin, than from those, like myself, that confess that they are free from sin, and servants of righteousness through the power of Yahshua? By the way, even though I have not quoted chapter, and verse on all of my comments, everything I have said has been straight from the Word! I WAS a servant of sin, but NOW, I am a servant of doing what is right in God’s eyes! And I do it by faith in my Savior, Who is my only boast! This is all the gift of God!

          • Fo Hunter says

            I believe you are sincere in your understanding but your position is not quite reconciled with the Bible in its entirety. You treat the sin issue appropriately by attributing great importance to not sinning, but in your zeal you do not treat the human imperfection and sanctification and glorification processes of God correctly. or at least your position does not allow in your position appropriate room for what scripture says these divine works accomplish within the believer.

      • alex says

        Sorry, but I would have to agree with DavidFRAN on this one. Notice that John the Baptist (who was baptizing people unto REPENTANCE) was the precursor to the Savior. The Korban was the sacrifice for the repeated and unintentional sins but REPENTANCE and even restitution was required for intentional sins and ONLY once a year was the priest able to enter the sanctuary to obtain forgiveness for the intentional sins. So, when Jesus died, he indeed wiped away ALL of our intentional and un-intentional sins. HOWEVER, in enters Hebrew 10:26 in that there is no more sacrifice, thereafter, for CONTINUED AND intentional sins. If you are saved and if you fall into sexual sin, as an example, repent and call upon the blood and you will be saved. But if you continue (without repentance), knowing the truth, there is no sacrifice that can help you. This is referred to as blasphemy in the OT. There IS NO FORGIVENESS WITHOUT REPENTANCE. This error in understanding is why our churches are filled with adultery and filled with homosexuality and filled with divorce; hardly a bride dressed in white. We are to judge sin correctly but leaving the judgement of the individual to the Father. The Good News is that GRACE abounds for the repentant heart.

    • Austin Hopkins says

      could u message me please. I backslid after being saved and I’m scared it’s too late. I sinned willfully will some bad sins and have recently repented of them but I’m scared it’s too late. please get back to me.

      • says

        God’s love for you is greater than any sin you might have committed. Backsliding is not going to remove you from His love and forgiveness. Rather than being afraid of God, thank Him for His love, grace, and forgiveness in your life.

      • TroubleUnderfoot says

        I’ve made a few mistakes in my life that I really regret. I still have nightmares, and whenever I think of them, a sense of deep shame. Somethings I did, somethings I didn’t do.

        I do find comfort in knowing that I’ve learnt from those mistakes. As long as we learn and change it’s not too late.

        If you can make amends for whatever you’ve done do so sensitively, honestly and courageously, you won’t regret it. If you can and you don’t it’s not repentance that you feel but fear of being found out. That’s a problem.

        Be faithful my friend. Peace.

  2. Evidence2Hope says

    There are things that I struggle with that I often wonder if I should be as a Christian. There are certain things I do that I know I shouldn’t, that I know God won’t be happy with…..but I do them anyway. it’s called temptation and me not being strong enough to resist. Paul, if I’m understanding him correctly, talks about what he wants to do but can’t, and what he doesn’t want to do but does anyway:

    We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. (Romans 7:14-20)

    This has helped me make sense of I why I continue to struggle things even though I am in Christ. Also is a powerful statement as to the nature of sin. Gods grace doesn’t come with fine print or caveats. Doesn’t give me free reign to do what I want but then, it isn’t me that’s doing it (though that does sound a bit of a cop out)

    • DavidnFran says

      I am so glad that Paul was honest about his struggles! And I am also very glad that he told us that he was going on to overcome! We need to have faith for overcoming even when we are not! This is a process that we will not continue in if we have decided that it cannot be done. That is why I emphasize believing for overcoming the same way that Paul did. Paul went on to say that he would be delivered from those sins that were operating from within him. He did not accept them, and encouraged us to believe God for total freedom from them as well. That is gospel faith! And that is what our heavenly Father is trying to get us to receive!

      1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

      Peter was telling believers that satan would devour them if he got the chance. Being devoured is not good!

      1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
      1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you].
      1Pe 5:11 To him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

      When we resist temptation, the devil cannot devour us, although we will suffer for a little while. But if we keep resisting through that suffering, God will establish us as mature overcomers to His honor forever. He is faithful to bring it to pass! He gets us through to a place of freedom, and peace, but we must believe that He will do it because He says it, and because He is true to His Word!

    • says

      You are on the right track. The love and grace of God inspires and challenges us to live for Jesus and follow God, but it does not give us an “you better do this, or else” threat.

      Any overcoming of sin that we experience in our life comes not from our own strength or resolve, but simply because we are learning to trust in the Father’s love, and rely on the power of the Holy Spirit.

      • DavidnFran says

        I would say that Yahshua living inside any person that has died to this world, the flesh, and the demonic allows them to experience the mystery of godliness – Yahshua in them living out the God kind of love, in which there is no flaw of any kind. This has nothing to do with them having become a better person because they have nice thoughts, and feelings about God! Those thoughts and feelings toward God are certainly there in every true disciple! It only comes from seeking, and then finding out that the way to life is through death! All the nice feelings for God are for nothing if we fail to die, and so go in to the promised land of rest from all sinful works! We die so that They have a place to live out Their nature, and character! We get in on it because we have bothered to check on how They have all of this set up, and we are doing it Their way! And it is all by grace so that no man can boast of “living for Jesus”, because They are doing all of the living through us! It is not about us!

        Paul warns us that we can fall away from the faith if we treat this grace with contempt. This is no threat, but it is a sure word as to how God has set things up. This is a grace that totally removes, if we receive it in faith, the mystery of iniquity from us so that the mystery of godliness has somewhere to operate! It is not about putting more of Jesus on! It is about getting rid of the world, the flesh, and the demonic through dying to it! (Dying is not an action, by the way, so it is not works! Sinning is works!) God picks it up from there!

        • Fo Hunter says

          Let me show you a more perfect way: Brother there are many who struggle with this and there is an answer
          located in this very text that solves your dilemma, and the above
          explanation is NOT it! Any time you reason the answer to scripture from
          your opinion and once you say this is what the scripture means then you
          can find other scripture to back up what you say because you just up and
          changed the meaning of the original text. This text does not speak
          about the law or the old testament times. It is speaking about New
          Testament and the covering of sins by the blood of our savior Jesus the
          Christ! Now, the first thing we must do with all scripture is to
          understand its context in history and culture and to take it literally
          if it is spoken to be taken literally. I believe this scripture is to be
          taken literally and not metaphorically explained away. Secondly and
          most importantly we need to understand what is actually being said. We
          need to look at the grammar and the meanings of the important
          theological words and wording. IE “willful” I will not go into deep
          explanation but simply stated, this passage is not speaking to people
          who commit sins on purpose but to people who practice sin as an accepted
          way of life.not people like you and I and the apostle Paul who says in
          Phillipians 312Not
          that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I
          press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold
          of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren,
          I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I
          do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies
          the good fight and willfully sinning are two different things!
          Therefore, if people think they can willfully go on sinning and the
          sacrifice of Jesus on the cross covers them, they are sadly mistaken,
          But if we sin (on purpose) out of weakness and imperfection then as 1
          John writes, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so
          that you may not
          sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus
          the righteous;” So you see this does not do violence to the text like
          the above explanation. We can not just make up answers to hard questions
          concerning scripture. We must stay as close as possible to the text and
          reason it out guided by other text of scripture according to what is
          written and not according to some random explanation of men. So I pray
          that this helps you to understand and appreciate God;’s word on this
          topic. P.S. An excellent method of approaching biblical interpretation
          is the Historical-Grammatical method.

      • Fo Hunter says

        Brother there are many who struggle with this and there is an answer
        located in this very text that solves your dilemma, and the above
        explanation is NOT it! Any time you reason the answer to scripture from
        your opinion and once you say this is what the scripture means then you
        can find other scripture to back up what you say because you just up and
        changed the meaning of the original text. This text does not speak
        about the law or the old testament times. It is speaking about New
        Testament and the covering of sins by the blood of our savior Jesus the
        Christ! Now, the first thing we must do with all scripture is to
        understand its context in history and culture and to take it literally
        if it is spoken to be taken literally. I believe this scripture is to be
        taken literally and not metaphorically explained away. Secondly and
        most importantly we need to understand what is actually being said. We
        need to look at the grammar and the meanings of the important
        theological words and wording. IE “willful” I will not go into deep
        explanation but simply stated, this passage is not speaking to people
        who commit sins on purpose but to people who practice sin as an accepted
        way of life.not people like you and I and the apostle Paul who says in
        Phillipians 312Not
        that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I
        press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold
        of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren,
        I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I
        do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies
        the good fight and willfully sinning are two different things!
        Therefore, if people think they can willfully go on sinning and the
        sacrifice of Jesus on the cross covers them, they are sadly mistaken,
        But if we sin (on purpose) out of weakness and imperfection then as 1
        John writes, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so
        that you may not
        sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus
        the righteous;” So you see this does not do violence to the text like
        the above explanation. We can not just make up answers to hard questions
        concerning scripture. We must stay as close as possible to the text and
        reason it out guided by other text of scripture according to what is
        written and not according to some random explanation of men. So I pray
        that this helps you to understand and appreciate God;’s word on this
        topic. P.S. An excellent method of approaching biblical interpretation
        is the Historical-Grammatical method.

      • Fo Hunter says

        Sanctification is what you are describing and your right but what you are saying does not deal with the scripture commands to 1. Be a hearer and a doer of God’s word and Jesus’ statement concerning keeping his commandments. Shouldn’t you address those as well so that you don’t lead people to think that the process is somehow simply ” learning to trust in the Father’s love, and rely on the power of the Holy Spirit.”? These kinds of incomplete responses are what leads people to claim to be saints but live unruly lives and just say things like “God is not through with me yet” or “everybody sins” IE. Its okay. Its not okay and one must WORK out their salvation and FIGHT the good fight. Saved by grace thru faith (NOT OF WORKS) but James says he will show his faith with words, because faith without works is DEAD! Its not just simply learning to trust in the Father’s love, and rely on the power of the Holy Spirit.

    • Fo Hunter says

      Hello brother. I call you brother because I hear the sincerity for Jesus in your post. Brother there are many who struggle with this and there is an answer located in this very text that solves your dilemma, and the above explanation is NOT it! Any time you reason the answer to scripture from your opinion and once you say this is what the scripture means then you can find other scripture to back up what you say because you just up and changed the meaning of the original text. This text does not speak about the law or the old testament times. It is speaking about New Testament and the covering of sins by the blood of our savior Jesus the Christ! Now, the first thing we must do with all scripture is to understand its context in history and culture and to take it literally if it is spoken to be taken literally. I believe this scripture is to be taken literally and not metaphorically explained away. Secondly and most importantly we need to understand what is actually being said. We need to look at the grammar and the meanings of the important theological words and wording. IE “willful” I will not go into deep explanation but simply stated, this passage is not speaking to people who commit sins on purpose but to people who practice sin as an accepted way of life.not people like you and I and the apostle Paul who says in Phillipians 312Not
      that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I
      press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold
      of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren,
      I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I
      do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies
      ahead,…fighting the good fight and willfully sinning are two different things! Therefore, if people think they can willfully go on sinning and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross covers them, they are sadly mistaken, But if we sin (on purpose) out of weakness and imperfection then as 1 John writes, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not
      sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus
      Christ the righteous;” So you see this does not do violence to the text like the above explanation. We can not just make up answers to hard questions concerning scripture. We must stay as close as possible to the text and reason it out guided by other text of scripture according to what is written and not according to some random explanation of men. So I pray that this helps you to understand and appreciate God;’s word on this topic. P.S. An excellent method of approaching biblical interpretation is the Historical-Grammatical method.

      • says

        This whole discussion here is a little strange. I am not exactly sure what is being said or who is arguing against whom.

        But Fo, be careful. You say that people should not use their opinions on what the text means, but it appears to me that you have done exactly that in your explanation of the text.

        No man is an infallible interpreter of Scripture, stating simply what the text says. Even a Bible translation is an act of providing a human interpretive opinion.

        • Fo Hunter says

          There is only one correct interpretation if scripture is clear and all the rest are misinterpretations! One interpretation and many applications. We do come to the text with biases and preconceived notions that may influence our interpretations even if we are extremely careful and practice the critical art of historical-grammatical interpretation method. Yes humans are falliable but if you take that to mean that we can not be sure and speak authoritatively concerning scriptural truths then your mistaken. we send people to death chambers based on reason, deductively and inductively, and ponder evidence that is often extremely unclear and formulate an opinion of truth or in court cases beyond a reasonable doubt. When it comes to scripture though we have a written record that yes must be read and therefore interpreted but has been done so throughout the history of the Church and corrected by the same through the oversight and guidance of God himself and it endures even till today. We validate scripture by other scripture (In context) we validate the context of a passage within the book it is found and then in the chapter its found and then in the book that it is found and finally in the context of the whole Bible. We validate the meaning of a scripture in light of Christian history and the writings of those who have laid the foundations of our faith through history such as Josephus who knew Paul and we compare and see if what we understand the text to be saying is in agreement or disagreement with history and the working and leading of the Holy Spirit throughout history. We must research the Greek and Hebrew and even beyond to the Acadian era and see how words have changed and the literary usage of words not only in religious writings but in extra-biblical and literary and common writings that relate to the scripture that we are interpreting. This is why God appointed ELDERS and TEACHERS to equip the saints for service! We are fallible but God is not and he has made a way for us to KNOW him and his word for CERTAIN!

  3. tanny says

    Hi thanks for this cos that scripture has given mea lot of sleeplessnights. Jesus came for freedom and could it be? Could it just be that there is even more grace for me. I need grace. Could it be?

    • says

      Yes! Not only could it be true… it IS true.

      There is infinite, outrageous grace through Jesus Christ. No matter what you have said or done, He loves you and forgives you. His grace is given to you.

      • Fo Hunter says

        I’m not nitpicking. I am trying to get you to understand that you must be careful to instruct properly if you are going to instruct. Jesus says in Matt. 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.” So it is not true that
        “No matter what you have said or done, He loves you and forgives you.” unless the Bible is wrong and your right.

        • says


          You must be careful to instruct properly if you are going to instruct. I have a different understanding of Matthew 12:31 than you do. So it is not “me vs. the Bible” but my understanding vs. your understanding.

          • Fo Hunter says

            Here is the verse, and I am open and willing to see what is written here and understand so show me how this scripture that speaks so emphatically and forthrightly can mean something other than a certain sin can not and will not be forgiven, namely the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

            Matthew 12:31-32

            New American Standard Bible (NASB)

            31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever [a]speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever [b]speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

          • says


            I have written a 100-page book on this verse. It is available there in the sidebar. I am not going to try to summarize the book or debate the points I made in the book here in the comments.

            Here is the point. Obviously, there is a sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven. I don’t argue that point. But I was responding directly to a person named “Tanny” when I said that no matter what they had said or done, God had forgiven them. The way I understand Matthew 12:31-32, if someone had committed that sin, they would not be concerned about committing it. Tanny obviously was concerned, which means the convicting work of the Holy Spirit was upon them, and therefore, they had not committed it.

          • Fo Hunter says

            That’s fine. I may read the book and I appreciate your answer although I must say that if a person asked if God forgave every sin I would say yes, except for the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. One last question please. Can you tell me a little about your theological background? IE. Where you went to school, denomination or doctrinal affiliation you may share with a particular denomination or camp.
            Thank you .

          • Fo Hunter says

            I found your “Story” and I must say that I am saddened that you left orthodox Christianity for whatever it is that you have now. You said in the article that people were mean and that Jesus loved everyone and this led to you reading books by people branded heretics and it changed your view on CHristianity and how you read the Bible.. 1. Mean people come in all religions, races, and otherwise. THe crusades were supposed to be CHristian but they weren’t they were wars fought in the name of God but not for God! That is not Christianity. Those mean people are not living Christ but they may or may not have been Christian. Jesus loved the world while they were yet sinners but he came preaching REPENTANCE and openly confronted and angrily opposed sin, but still died for all. So Jesus just loving everybody is true but loving someone does not mean approving or accepting everything they do. As for your schooling, I’d like to know what seminary that was because I don’t know what kind of seminary would not want you to read a book because it was written by a “Heretic” lol! At Washington Bible College and Capital Bible Seminary they taught you how to think thru heretical arguments in light of scripture and come to reason it out for yourself AND how can any CHristian Apologist be worth anything if they don’t know and understand the heretical views that oppose Orthodox Christianity!? What Seminary did you attend and why are you so open about how your history shaped who you are today but you hide the actual names and specific places and institutions. If they are not good places shouldn’t you warn others so that they will not fall into the same snare and learn from your life? Why so secretive in this and forthcoming in everything else?

  4. tanny says

    In the mouth of 2-3 witnesses. Checked 2 other websites at random. Saying exactly the same thing. Now I’ve got my kind God back. Thanks

  5. CB says

    You”re in serious trouble if you think Hebrews 10:26 doesn’t mean what it’s says. You can also read 1 John 3:6-10 and many other verses related to this. With true faith comes obedience to God’s word. The two go hand and hand. If you are in an adulterous relationship, for example, and you claim to know the Lord and continue to live in that lifestyle that is very strong proof that you are not really saved. The Lord knows we sin and are not perfect (moments of weakness, ignorance etc) and when we do we repent but we don’t live in a lifestyle of sin if we are truly saved. That’s what Hebrews 10:26 is talking about.

    • says

      Ha! Well, actually, I do believe Hebrews 10:26 means what it says. I just think it says something different than what you think it says. I believe that your take on these passages is leading to a works-based salvation, which is the same thing that every religion in the world teaches.

      • CB says

        “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?” (Luke 6:46) Jesus said it Himself. He’s not talking about any kind of works here He’s talking about obeying His commands. He’s talking about people who claim to know Him but really don’t because they are not obedient to Him. They’re lifestyle is proof they don’t know Him. He not only becomes our Savior, when you’re truly saved, He becomes our “Lord”. He’s talking about obeying His commands it has nothing to do with works (fasting, tithes etc..). He commands and we obey that’s why He is “Lord and Savior” not just Savior. So going back to the point you will not continue in a lifestyle of sin adultery,homosexuality, etc.. if you are truly saved. That’s what Hebrews 10:26 means. Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. If you know this and continue to stay in a lifestyle of sin you are mocking His sacrifice.

        • says

          Lifestyle is proof of nothing. Many of the nicest and most “obedient” people I know, do not know Jesus. So if it’s works we are comparing, then many Buddhists and Mormons are getting in to heaven before most Christians.

          Do you still sin? How long has it been since you last sinned? How long can you go without sinning? A minute? Two? An hour? If you are honest with yourself, probably not much more than that. So if you cannot go more than hour without sinning, then you are continuing in sin. And if continuing in sin proves that someone is not a Christian, then you, my friend, are not a Christian.

          • CB says

            Jeremy we are not comparing works I’m talking about obedience, a joyful obedience that comes upon you through the Holy Spirit. Obedience is not a burden like “works”. There are a lot of nice people that live good moral lives but like you said don’t know Jesus. That’s why you have to have both faith + obedience not just faith and not just obedience. Let’s take adultery because the Bible talks a lot about sexual sin. You can’t sit there and willfully sin (disobedience) (have sex with a married man/woman or you yourself are married) then say well Lord I’m sorry for that. Go do it again and then say Lord I’m sorry for that. Go do it again and say Lord I’m sorry for that. Like I said we sin when we are saved but we don’t continue in a pattern of sin. It’s called “cheap” grace and there is no such thing.

            In 1 Corinthians Paul (through the power of the Holy Spirit) is writing to the church of Corinth. He’s writing his letter to believers not non-believers. He’s writing to people of the church who claim to know Christ. He’s writing to them after he heard of the way they were living and being disobedient to the Lord. If obedience doesn’t matter then why does Paul through the power of the Holy Spirit write the letter?

          • says

            I do not believe in cheap grace, that is for sure. I believe in free grace. Completely free, with no strings attached. Shocking, outrageous, scandalous grace.

      • Fo Hunter says

        Its not work based its proof that you have been saved by grace THROUGH FAITH! James 2:17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. 18But
        someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your
        faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.…James is not preaching a works based salvation, He is preaching or rather God through him is telling us that TRUE believers have works that prove their faith is a living Saving FAITH!

        • says

          Fo Hunter,

          I am quite aware of James 2 and have written about it on this blog in numerous places. Just do a search for “James 2” in the search box on the right.

          Please understand that every Bible verse you think contradicts my position has been studied in detail. I have read scores of books from your position, and even used to believe the same way you do. But over the course of study, teaching, and writing, have come to a different conclusion of what those texts mean.

      • DavidnFran says

        The popular notion that defines the grace of Yahweh as “unmerited favor” is at least partly to blame for the common confusion seen in many comments here. Grace is defined in the Word as “the power to serve Elohim with reverence, and godly fear”, which is a good thing, by the way. We certainly experience unmerited favor in our relationship with our Creator, but that does not justify redefining the word “grace”. This has it’s beginnings in the hand-me-down traditions of men.

        Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
        Heb 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

        It mentions here that the One that we say that we serve is a “Consuming Fire” because, if you do not make good use of the grace that He makes available to you to empower you to serve Him properly, you will get burned up! That is not a problem for those of us that find the Father, Son, and Spirit working within them to do His will! We like it this way because They do! We are in agreement with Them, in other words. That’s why in Hebrews 10:29 we are told that sinning against the grace of God has terrible consequences. Having been given, through Yahshua, the power to serve God properly, which is Their grace toward us, and then to willfully do otherwise is a horrible thing to do, to put it lightly!

        Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
        Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
        Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
        Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

        This theme runs all through Hebrews, but some smart folks have written some thick books to explain away the simple words written there.

        Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
        Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
        Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
        Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
        Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
        Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
        Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

        Believers can become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. That is why we are warned here. Hebrews 10;26 is also a warning not to be deceived by sin, with it’s destructive outcome.

        Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
        Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
        Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
        Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
        Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

        It very plainly says here that most of Israel was practicing sin, and they were faithless. That is because these 2 characteristics go hand in hand together. It also states that they were unable, because of these characteristics, to enter in to God’s rest. And if you think, as I do, that this is addressed to us, you will make note here that we are warned not to do what they did! This is a pattern of teaching all though Hebrews!

        What do you make of the following verses? I know that “obeying Him” is the same thing as “believing in Him”! What do thick books say about these verses? How do they explain away this simple statement?

        Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
        Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

        Here we go again – more scriptures in Hebrews about doing what is right in God’s eyes! It says here that you are not mature if you don’t teach “righteousness”. And by the way, if Yahshua lives in you, His righteousness will be manifested through you!

        Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
        Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
        Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

        These next verses are some doozies! It says that repenting of sin is a basic, foundational principal regarding your walk with God, and that every baby christian should be doing that! And they need to move on past that to perfection! What is the explanation of this from some thick books? Oh, and it puts repentance before faith in God right here for a reason, too! You don’t have faith in God without a lifestyle of ongoing repentance from all dead works!

        Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

        These next verses are some hard ones, but if we love God, should we not love the way that He has set things up? We say that we love Him!

        Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
        Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
        Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

        Do you see a pattern here? I do! This book is a warning against falling away from the faith! Israel was saved out of Egypt, but most of them got destroyed later on. We are warned not to end up like them! How many times does it have to say the same thing over, and over before we listen to the Word here instead of thick books that try to explain it all away? The best test for understanding scripture is to ask, “How does this conform me to the image of my Savior, in this earth, and in this lifetime?” That is how you interpret scripture if your heart is to follow our Forerunner! He learned obedience through the things that He suffered. But we are seemingly supposed to block out the word “obedience” from our vocabulary to prove that we are not in “works”? “Works” is practicing sin, for cryin’ out loud! When you enter the rest of God you no longer want to sin. You are in liberty, and freedom, and repent quickly if you stumble. It is a natural thing to WANT to obey God when you love Him! If I WANT to obey God, that means that my will is lining up with His. If my feelings line up, too, with His, is that OK with you’ll? Or do thick books say that is wrong also? He came to save my soul, you know! Could saving my soul actually mean bringing them out of alignment with the world, the flesh, and the demonic, and in to alignment with Elohim? Yes! Our Forerunner did it here, and so, by faith, will I! Since He came to save me from thinking, speaking, and acting like the devil, then it is only normal to mature into a perfect man! This is the greatest miracle that a person can get in on, but that is precisely what is available to us in the grace of God! And no man can boast because we are just getting in on the life of our Savior as He indwells us by His Spirit, causing us to will, and to want to do His good pleasure!

        Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

        Heb 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
        Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

        Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
        Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

        Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

        Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
        Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
        Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

        What do you need to be chastened for if you aren’t being washed by your Heavenly Father of all of your sins? That IS salvation! It says here that if you are not receiving correction, you are a bastard, and no son! You have to be a son to make it to heaven!

        Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.

        Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

        What do thick books say about being partakers of His holiness? Just “believe” in Jesus and God will count you as “holy”! I think we should teach the whole gospel that says that God is able to set us apart to Himself in thought word, and deed, and bring our mind, will, and emotions into harmony with His! If you don’t believe that He can do it, how will you ever get in on it? You can’t! Please remember, Israel did not believe that God could take them in to this land, so God fixed it to where they would never be able to. They never made it, and neither will we, if we don’t believe!

        Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;

        If grace is unmerited favor, how could anyone fail in making use of it?

        Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
        Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
        Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,

        If we have come here, who are these just men made perfect? Do you think that maybe that is supposed to be us? It’s supposed to be, if we can move on past the basic foundational principles, and the thick books, and the traditions of men that make God’s Word null, and void!

          • DavidnFran says

            Nor have I read all of your books. Your comments here are sufficient for me! Thank you!

        • Fo Hunter says

          David your views promote an Armenian view of salvation. I believe that saints can not lose their salvation but that is not at issue here but needed to comment since Hebrews is being quoted here. . I also hold that your definition of Grace is not sufficient in and of itself to dismiss “unmerited favor” I DO agree that it (unmerited favor) is also incomplete and a bit misleading. I AGREE that grace is God’s “Enabling Power” that he gives to us even though we do not deserve it! (IE. Unmerited favor) And I see Grace as more than “the power to serve Elohim with reverence, and godly fear” In face the Bible verse you sited does not offer a definition of Grace but speaks to a byproduct of Grace. IE. BY GRACE we can do this… Grace is used as the agent which enables us to achieve “the power to serve Elohim with reverence, and godly fear” which is at best one of (imo) the many RESULTS of grace but not grace in and of itself. In addition, if you apply your definition to other verses of scripture (within their context) your definition does not fit without doing violence to the text. IE. Romans 11:6.And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works. So this verse would read And if by ([God giving us] power to serve Elohim with reverence, and godly fear then it cannot be based on works. This is circular in reasoning, meaning that if grace is God enabling us to do works by grace then it can not be based on works! It just doesn’t fit unless one tries to MAKE it fit. That being said, I DO AGREE with most of the rest of your assertions, not that this carries any weight but for what its worth I do agree. OH, And the thickness of a book is not a valid measure of validity or worth. lol.

          • DavidnFran says

            It does no violence to the text because Yahshua in you is responsible for ALL of the good that is lived out through you, unless you are still doing the living, and so, rightly taking credit for it! If you die, and Yahshua takes your place, as it is supposed to be, what credit do you get any good done through you? None! When God gets you to a place where you can believe for entering in to the promised land of perfect love, then you can see things that you never saw before! If, however, one were to insist, as almost all of Israel insisted, that it is impossible to enter in completely to that land of rest, then, as Hebrews plainly explains, one would be in danger of being disallowed that opportunity forever! Hebrews states that this example is a warning to us!

            The reason that I talk about “thick books” is because it takes a lot of words to explain away what the true gospel says over, and over in many very simple, straightforward ways. It gets complicated when we start justifying anything but being conformed to our Savior in thought, word, and deed, in this world, and in this lifetime.

            As far as circular reasoning goes, I think it is more of a linear reasoning. Believers are obedient, and unbelievers are disobedient! It is straightforward, and plain! The minute that a person believes what the Word says about being enabled to walk like our Savior walked, our heavenly Father honors that faith by bringing that very thing to pass! If, on the other hand, a person insists that it is impossible to do anything but practice sin to a certain extent, then, being like faithless Israel, they are in a place where they will never be able to enter in to the promised land of rest, and peace. It gets complicated when we try to keep pet sins – idols – while still trying to be set apart to God – holy. It is a lot worse than circular!

            Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
            Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

            Thanks for your response!

        • Vanessa says

          To David and Fran, Thank you for you comments. I think I need your prayers, if you could?
          I’m a struggling Christian and I see how your comments support Alicia’s. And I’m concerned about living in willful sin

  6. Fo Hunter says

    I agree. But it seems that you err on the other side of that extreme. Do you believe that you have no responsibility to do your best to live holy unto God? AND if you willfully (practice) a sinful life that you are still saved? Believers Enabled by the Holy Spirit can not live that way! It is impossible and therefore if one lives this way they could have never been born again to start with.

  7. Mark g says

    Thank you for this wonderful post. It can’t get any clearer, and more in line with scripture, than how you have described it. I love it!
    Mark g.

  8. Raphael says

    I have been reading with much interest all the posts here concerning Hebrews, and the person who treads underfoot Yahshua and sinning that there is no longer any atonement for doing this. I have pondered this myself as we all have for many years. Here tonight something I had never considered before came to me reading all of these posts. This puts me in the mind of Satan’s character here is a being that was so very close to God himself, that most assuredly communed with God often. Then basically sinned against God (rebelled) and now seems because of this there is no hope for him. That is a very close parallel to the Hebrews topic to me. No one could have been any more believing in God than Satan. Yet he sinned grievously, and it seems that he has hardened his heart so that he will not be able to repent if that is even possible because of it. He is totally alien to God now and his ways. Couldn’t this also be said about the willful sinner ? Satan it seems is so hardened he will never come back, but if you do, sin and do not harden your heart and can still beg for forgiveness at some point in your life change, or the holy spirit is still working with you. I feel you could stop and be forgiven. King David was indwelt by the holy spirit and sinned willfully and begged for the spirit not to be taken away from him. I believe that he will be resurrected and in Gods holy Kingdom. This spiritual change may not happen all at once but take some time, I’m not certain, just a thought. Anyway I was in this same scenario and I grew so sick of myself and sinning against Yahshua that it did finally stop after much praying and soul searching. Now Its like I am a totally different person, I have to be honest that the thoughts are still there but I never act upon the sin any more. My relationship with God has returned and I feel like I have been forgiven, even though Hebrews is still haunting me. What I did was terrible I know. I can only hope that Gods grace abounds and is available for all of us who are sincere. If not it is a terrible thing to fall in to the hands of the living God!!!

    • says


      You make a good point. There is one primary difference between Satan and us humans, however. Jesus never died for the sins of Satan, nor did Jesus ever offer eternal life to Satan if Satan would believe in Him for it. You have been forgiven, and if you believe in Jesus for eternal life, you have it, no matter what you might have said or done.

  9. Alicia Dyson says

    Honestly, everyone is pretty spot on with just an issue of misunderstanding each other. It goes like this. Faith in Christ produces salvation which then enables the holy spirit to reside within which in turn exercises his will over mine and through his power perfects me producing good works. You cannot have one part of the equation without the rest. If you are not producing works then the issue is, are you truly saved? It is not that works produce salvation but true faith equals good fruit or works in the end. Being truly saved boils down to allowing the holy spirit to work within you. It means surrendering your will to god. It means dying to your flesh. It means saying I want to give up all sin for god. When a person lives in perpetual sin, they have not fully submitted their will to god. The verse isn’t discussing a sin done knowingly, but a constant state of rebellious sin. Let me put it this way, being a christian, when you sin does it feel good? No. You feel ucky. You feel convicted. Nowwhere does conviction come from? The holy spirit who dwells within me. So working backwards, sin produces conviction by the holy spirit who dwells within me because I surrender my will and because I received him through salvation by my faith. So you take out one part of the equation: conviction. ask yourself, if I am not convicted, am I truly saved? It is not that we lose our salvation but that were we ever saved to begin with? The scripture talks about many who believe but few will enter the kingdom. It says even demons believed and they shudder. It says many will come saying lord lord we did all these things in your name, but god will say he never knew them. Believing in Christ is the only way to salvation, yes, and by gods grace we are saved, and by faith we are saved, and true faith produces works… do you see the pattern? It is all conclusive.not one or the other. But if it was just belief than you would have to throw out a lot of scripture about the many who won’t enter even after belivig. If it was just grace than everyone would go to heaven because grace is a free gift to all. But you have to chose it. If it was works many false religions would enter and so the pharisees. Do you see the point? The arguments here chose one but ignore the other, but in fact you all are correct. It is a package deal. You have to take all verses into consideration. It is in fact an epidemic that many people confuse gods grace with the go ahead to just keep sinning because he will forgive you. But as a true child of god, we wouldn’t want to. So it is safe to deduct that those who perpetually live in sin do not truly love god or desire for him to do his will, for it says you cannot serve two masters, you cannot produce both fruit and thorns. You either love god or you don’t. So the advice in the scripture is a good one. Examine your fruit to test your salvation . Does your life echo gods love or are you crucifying him day after day?

    • says

      So if you do not have good works, then you will not enter heaven/glorification.

      Therefore, you are making good works a condition for entrance into heaven.

      I appreciate you trying to simplify things for the reader, but in reality, you have added good works as a condition for glorification, which only confuses things.

      • alicia dyson says

        I did not say that at all. Good works is not a condition, but a result of the Holy spirit at work inside you. How do we receive the Holy spirit? Through salvation. How do we receive Salvation? Through belief in Jesus Christ as our Savior that rose again and is God in the flesh. I do not know how you deducted my explanation down to good works is a condition.

      • alicia dyson says

        Also I just have a few scriptures if you could explain the other part of the topic. We all know works cannot save you, the bible is clear on that, but it does seem pretty clear that willfully living in perpetual sin will have a pretty strong consequence… why are we being taught this isn’t so when the bible makes it very clear?

        Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

        If we break this verse down it says: We had a sacrifice for sin. There no longer remains one. Why? Because we lived in deliberate sin after knowing the truth. The punishment will be much more severe for those who trample Jesus’ act of love by dying on the cross, which was much more precious the Moses’ law.. Who is under that new covenant? Those who accept it. Who accepts it? Christians. This clearly isn’t referring to unbelievers. By not taking the Son of God’s sacrifice seriously we anger the spirit of grace. What is Grace? Unmerited favor and God’s awesome power that works through us enabling us to live for Him. People who sinned against Moses’ law died without mercy on just the witness of two or three people, it says here that those who are under the new covenant will receive worse punishment…..

        So please explain how you interpret this verse, because I really cannot make it say anything different that supports deliberate constant sin does not result in severe punishment.

      • Lisa says

        Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?”
        Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him who he has sent.” (John 6: 28-29)

        According to Jesus, belief in Himself is the “work” that is necessary for eternal life.
        Our relationship with Him is the “proof” of our eternal life, not the works we do or do not do.

        • says

          Faith is not a “work” as is pretty clear from the rest of Scripture. It is the opposite of works (Cf. Rom 4:4-5).

          Jesus is saying, ‘Oh, you want a work? Ok, here’s the “work” – just believe!” It’s a satirical way of saying that no works are required to gain, keep, or prove eternal life. Faith alone in Christ alone.

        • Lisa says

          I was trying to be satirical as well! It didn’t come through in print. That is why I had “work” in quotation marks. Your paraphrase works much better.

          I believe Jesus is saying in this verse that there is no work, only believing, to gain eternal life.

          If a Lordship Salvation proponent insists there must be good works in order to prove the reality of someone’s salvation, I would refer to this verse in which Jesus says the “work” is to believe. So those who look for works in others’ lives should be looking for belief, not works. Am I making any sense?

        • Lisa says

          I’m just digging in deeper 8-P

          bottom line: I do not believe works earn eternal life for us. I do not believe faith is a work.

        • Alicia Dyson says

          It is not that works is what earns us righteousness, but that proof that the holy spirit is at work within us produces good fruit. Many get it backwards. But like I’ve said a bunch of times, true faith begets true salvation, which then we receive the holy spirit who dwells within us and by his power we are convicted and unable to live in perpetual sin and as long as we allow him to do his will he produces good works or fruit. But if someone belives in Christ not really submitting their selves to him or really meaning it, the holy spirit cannot dwell within him thus not producing fruit or cconvicting them. So that’s how you get false believes who somehow live in perpetual sin and don’t seem to emulate Christ.

  10. alicia dyson says

    This verse also supports what I said that if a person lives in sin, there is reason to doubt they were saved in the first place. So it is not that a pattern of deliberate sinning looses your salvation, but that a person who truly knows Christ won’t live in deliberate sin. This verse lays it out pretty clear.

    1 John 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s[b] seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

    • says


      But 1 John 1:8 says that if we claim we are without sin, we are a liar and the truth is not in us (a double whammy sin!) So whatever 1 John 3:4-10 means, it cannot mean that Christians don’t live in sin. And note that it is not about “deliberate sin” vs. accidental sin. This distinction is not made anywhere in the text and must be read into the verses. If you want to make this distinction in 1 John 3:4-10, then you must also apply it to 1 John 1:8 “Anyone who claims to be without deliberate sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.”

      • Alicia Dyson says

        No its just saying if you say you aren’t a sinner you are a liar. I don’t know what that has to do with proving that perpetual sin is not condemnable.

        • says

          Because almost all sin is perpetual sin. There are very few sins that are one-time events. Also, you cannot define sin as “perpetual sin” in one context, and “regular sin” in the other. So one could read 1 John 1:10 as saying, “If anyone says he does not have perpetual sin, he is a liar.”

  11. alicia dyson says

    Notice in this verse it talks about those of lawlessness, just as the above verses mentioned that those that lived in constant sin were those that practiced lawlessness…

    Matthew 7:13-14
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

    Matthew 7:21-27

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.

    Luke 13:22-35
    He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’

    If everyone who believed in God and Christ would automatically go to heaven, there would be MANY that would go to heaven. Now this does not in any way say that works earn you a rightful place in heaven, but that many will claim to be saved, know of God but continue to be evil, or get saved just to save their butt and not because they truly love and honor Christ. That is why it is so dangerous to preach that anyone who believes in Christ will have true salvation. If that were true than this verse would be contradicting what you say:

    James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

    This verse even further explains what I was saying when I said that the whole Faith/Salvation/Grace/Works is a whole package deal….

    James 2:14
    Faith and Deeds
    14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
    18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
    20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
    25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    Furthermore, the bible also explains that those who are true believers are those that hear God’s word and obey it, thus living in perpetual sin does not show you are a true believer.

    Luke 8:20-21
    And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you.” But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”

    John 3:36
    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

    John 14:15
    “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

    Matthew 5:17-20
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 19:16-17
    16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
    17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

    So once again, who causes us to obey? How are we enabled to obey? The Holy spirit who dwells within us after we become saved and is a part of God’s Grace and power:

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    So in conclusion, saying it is ONLY grace that saves us, or ONLY believing that saves us, or ONLY works that saves us is unbiblical. It is a WHOLE package! This is what the Bible clearly teaches us. It is kind of like a car, you can say it is only through the engine that a car is enabled to run, although that is a main component, complex interactions between other parts cause the whole car to work together enabling it to run.

    Only God truly knows our hearts and whether or not a person is truly saved, that is not for us to judge.

  12. Alicia Dyson says

    You know, being rude isn’t necessary. I gave all those verses to back up what I said for those who don’t know where my references are in the scripture. I do that so people can decide for themselves instead of being told by someone what to think. Like I said please explain why the verse says that after knowing the truth and you continue to sin that there no longer remains a sacrifice. And please stop twisting my words into an issue of works. I’ve stated over and over it is not works based. Maybe you are not able to understand what I mean by whole package. If you truly have faith, god will do the rest. But false faith brings about a false salvation and that is how some can live in perpetual sin and not bear fruit. How hard is that to understand? Or are you that prideful you cannot just say thanks for trying to make if clearer?

    • Lisa says

      I am a believer for 28 years but everyday I sin in my thoughts, attitudes, words, and actions.

      Whatever is not from faith is sin (Romans 14:23) – so that probably means there is a whole lot more sin in my life than I even recognize!

      So I would say I am living in perpetual sin.

      Perhaps to say a believer cannot live in perpetual sin is a positional truth, rather than an experiential truth. We are in Christ, and He is in us and somehow in God’s plan, that enables Him to take our sins away by Christ’s work. God lives in eternity and we live in time so that confuses the issue from our perspective.

      Some Christians believe we can achieve sinlessness in this life but I have never met anyone who has.

      • Alicia Dyson says

        Also according to the author, because we have grace I can live in perpetual sin and still remain saved. So that means tomorrow I can go out, murder and rape a few people, set up a asherah pole in my home, make sacrifices to it, lie about the murders, call up my parentsand call them all sorts of nnames, rob a few houses, use the GD word all day, and molest my children and do all of it without repenting because god gave us grace and forgiveness the day we just said we believe in Christ. According to the author, if I did all that without repenting I would still enter heaven….

        • Alicia Dyson says

          But the thing is, a true believer in Christ would never do that and if they did they would feel so miserable and be so convicted they would repent as soon as their pride stepped aside. That is the whole meaning to the verse about how if someone has Christ they cannot sin. It does not mean they physically cannot sin, but that sin is very uncomfortable and they cannot just sin willy nilly without feeling the pain of it.

    • says


      I am not trying to be rude. I am sorry that my short response seemed rude.

      But here’s the thing: a list of verses proves nothing. I obviously know those verses are there. I have written on a couple of them on this very blog. I simply have different understandings to those verses than you do. Those who tend to just quote verse after verse do not seem to realize that there are different explanations for those verses than the interpretations they personally hold.

      I am all for people knowing the pertinent texts and studying them on their own. What I am not in favor of is people quoting lots of verses and saying, “See? He’s wrong! This verse proves it.” No, that verse doesn’t prove it. Nor do all the other verses that might be quoted. I have studied those verses quite extensively and have come to different conclusions about what they teach.

  13. Alicia Dyson says

    The verse is not talking about just normal human fleshly sin, but decidedly day after day purposeful rebellious sin. Its the difference between me getting angry and saying something I don’t mean where I later repent for my actions as opposed to knowing god hates adultery and having an affair for a year, day after day without repentance. That’s the thing. God is just to forgive us when we repent and forgiveness erases all memory of the transgression but when we live in deliberate rebellious sin, there is no true sorry that leads to godly repentance. I think that is why there is a difference between the two. Jesus did make a sacrifice for our sins, yes, but we still have to repent to be forgiven. The bible makes that pretty clear.

    • SeekerofTruth says

      @ Alicia, DavidNFran, Jeremy,or anyone else that can answer biblically… During my teens I asked Jesus to forgive me of my sins and to live in me so that I could be born again. I attended a church that teached OSAS. However, during a terrible period (a long season of about 10 years) I wilfully committed many sins believing that I could do those sins, continue to do them, confess them to God and all would be fine since OSAS. Eventhough I knew what I was doing was wrong, I mistakenly thought it was ok.(OSAS). My error was probably due to unbelief, deceitfulness, hypocrisy, not understanding scripture, rebellion, or a combination of all on my part. Therefore, that presents a dilemma… I was 1. Either never saved to begin with even though i thought I was 2. I was saved and the grace of God kept me saved and pulled me through my error 3. I’m eternally lost because of Numbers 15:24-31; Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31, 2Peter 2:20-22; & 1 John 5:16, 4. I was saved, lost my salvation and regained it. 4. I’m now saved(for the 1st time) because I have truly seen the error of my ways(Need of a Saviour), repented to God, turned from all known sin, and have trusted in Jesus Christ’s atoning sacrifice as the only means of my salvation. Hebrews presents to me many problems for both the OSAS position and the Armenian position as well. I’ve read on other websites that states a person can be saved, lose their salvation and come back to God numeous times. To me that doesn’t seem to coincide with scripture (Hebrews 6:4-6 “Impossible to renew them to repentance”). So, getting saved more than 1x doesn’t seem correct.(Armenian view). The Calvinistic view seems to disregard the many conditional “ifs” of scripture such as John 15:7, 1 Cor 15:2; 2 Peter1:8. God’s Word doesn’t contradict itself so there must be a misunderstanding of both view points on my end. However, my view regarding eternal security, would be yes and no. I know that sounds contradictory but I will try to explain. You are secure as long as you’re abiding in the Vine(Jesus Christ). However, they is no security if you’re not abiding in the True Vine (Jesus Christ) . There can be no security in sin.
      After reading every comment on this thread, I’m more uncertain as to whether there is any forgiveness left for me as many different positions have been stated. There have been many enlightening and thought provoking replies in this thread. Which makes me realize that I must study the Word of God more so that I can discern his Word and commandments better. Also, It’s been many years since I committed those wilful sins that deceived me into thinking grace gave me a license to sin. I have since earnestly asked God to forgive me, to cleanse me from all iniquity and sin, to give me a clean heart and mind. I truly want to be a child of God and no longer an enemy of Christ. Scripture says to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” and to “Test yourself to see if you’re in the faith”, and “you will know them by their fruit”. I can’t see much fruit in my life, but others have said that they can, and that they have seen a radical change in my life(for the better) and that I must be saved. However, man is not the Judge and only God has the authority to make that decision. One thing is for sure, I can no longer commit sin without feeling so overwhelming guilty. I can no longer commit sin and feel good about it. When I do sin, I feel the need to confess it to God right away for His forgiveness, and ask Him for the strength to overcome that sin. Some have told me that since I feel this way and desire to repent and obey God, then that means that the Holy Spirit is at work in my life and hasn’t abandoned me because I would not even want to obey God without the prompting of the Holy Spirit. One thing that’s disturbing is that some days I feel forgiven and other days I don’t. I know that one cannot go by feelings, but doesn’t Romans 8:16 (The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God”) mean that if one is a true child of God he/she will have confirmation by the Holy Spirit that he/she is a child of God and as such “feel” saved?

      • alicia dyson says

        Seeker- First let me state that no one can judge whether or not you were truly saved in your teens. Only God knows your heart. The good thing is that you see you error and you know what you did wasn’t right. That right there is proof that the Holy spirit is working inside you. Conviction comes from Him and only Him… so it is a good thing. On the other side, it seems to me the devil has and is trying to get you caught up in shame or guilt. That is called condemnation. That is never from God. He wants you to stay in a state of low self esteem so at some point you shrink and hide from God. Remember back to Adam and Eve? God asked them when they hid, “Who told you that you were naked?” He knew the devil was the culprit, just as now he is trying to tell you lies that when you repent it is not good enough. How do we know that is a lie? Well anything that does not line up with scripture is a lie. So what does the Bible say about repentance?

        Look up these verses- Luke 15:7, 1 John 1:5-10

        2 Corinthians 7:9-11
        As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. >>>>For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret,<<<< whereas worldly grief produces death. For see what earnestness this godly grief has produced in you, but also what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what punishment! At every point you have proved yourselves innocent in the matter.

        So God promises, He will always forgive us if we repent with true repentance. No other conditions. Since you did repent with a real sorrow, He has now forgiven you. But does that mean now he has forgiven you, you don't need to repent again? No. So the once saved always saved contradicts this. If you are saved regardless, what would be the point of repenting? Why would the Bible command it over and over?

        Jeremy made a point that there was no sacrifice for willful sin in the old testament. Only for accidental or ignorant sin. The result of willful sinning was certain death. Now the Bible says that God is never changing. So let's explore this. Hebrews 10 thoroughly explains the new covenant. The scriptures say, Jesus didn't come to do away with the law, but fulfill it(Matthew 5:17). It says that not a word will disappear from the law till the end(Matthew 5:18). So how did Jesus fulfill it? He became the most pure, blameless, undefiled sacrifice for our sins. So instead of needing to sacrifice animals and do all these rituals, we have Christ who is the sacrifice, and since he is alive for all eternity, we don't need new ones. Same as He became a high priest, perfect and sinless so that He doesn't have to make an atonement for his sins and once again, he is forever alive so that there is no need for another priest. What did High priests do? They were the ones who made atonement for sins and interceded between us and God. No one could come to God without the High priest. But now that Christ is the High priest, He can now intercede for us on our behalf (Hebrews 4:15). So here's where it gets good… When we truly repent and belive in him, he comes to dwell within us(Acts 2:38). Now when we sin and we repent, He cries out from within us, interceding for us on our behalf for the forgiveness of our sins(Romans 8:26).

        So if God is never changing, and all that was FULFILLED was sacrifices and high priests, then why do we think he also did away with the idea of repentance and the consequences that come from unrepentance? So in the old testament, what happened when someone did not repent for their sins? They would surely die and didn't have salvation. Now does it say anywhere Jesus came to fulfill or abolish the need for repentance? No, just that He intercedes so that we can boldly ask for forgiveness from God anytime we sin(Hebrews 4:16). Now it says Jesus died so that we may be forgiven, but does it say anywhere He died so that He can repent on our behalf? No. Do you see where I'm getting at?

        So in the old Testament, you would realize you sinned, go to the High Preist (Jesus), offer the prescribed sacrifice (Jesus's Death on the cross) and repent (?), and then you would be cleansed from sin and be able to have salvation. So if there is no substitute for repentance as a part of the equation from being cleansed, then why is it a surprise that unrepentance can bring you to a consequence of not having the salvation that was given to you? God is never changing. Over and over it was not because of their sins that people were destroyed but their hardened hearts and lack of repentance. Essentially that is also what pride was. Why would that be the constant theme, God telling people over and over to repent, even believers or else they will be destroyed or die? Even so, He declared if they would just turn and repent He would take them back, forget their sins, and restore them to Him. So why do we think He has changed?

        He hasn't. He just loved us so much He offered His one and only Son to now pay the price for our sins, but we still have to repent.

        So, working backwards- What brings death? Sin. How does sin remain in our life? unrepentance or lack of salvation. How are we able to repent or have salvation? Through Jesus Christ our savior.

        People say it is by grace we have been saved. True. But does it say "by grace ONLY"? No. In fact there seems to be a few things that the bible says we have been saved by… Jesus(Romans 5:9), grace and faith,(Ephesians 2:8) believing (mark 16:16), confessing that Jesus is Lord and believing Jesus was raised from the dead by God(Romans 10:9), Love God and your Neighbor (Luke 10:25-28), repentance(2 Corinthians 7:10), baptism(1 Peter 3:21), Endurance (Matthew 24:13), works (which is best described as actions and not good deeds)(James 2:24) and obeying(Matthew 7:21). So why is it that we choose the one that easiest and ignore the rest?

        Also Grace is often used in the new testament, not as an attribute of God, but a constant state of action. Meaning, grace can be easily understood as His power or Spirit. In fact I challange you to read the parts where grace is described and substitue grace for power and spirit and it would make a lot more sense. For example- Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people". Of course it is by His spirit and power we have been saved! (Titus 3:5) He sent Jesus (His spirit), who then died and enabled us to be filled with the holy spirit (His Spirit) who then gives us the POWER to bear fruit, be convicted, repent, obey, love ect. So as you can see, like I said before, it is not grace alone, but a hole kit and kaboodle!

        Again, it says by faith we are saved. But James 2:14-26 Says faith without works is dead. So what exactly is works? Well it is action. Obedience is action. That is why there are many verses talking about how you should not just hear the word but do it (James 1:22-27)… So he is not necessarily talking about doing things to look good, but obeying what god asks us. That is also why it says by their fruits you will know His children(Matthew 6:17), because they live in obedience, their life will reflect that. So once again, it is by God's grace(power, spirit-Jesus and Holy spirit, and unmerited favor) we are saved, through faith, which is dead without works, which are evident the holy spirit is in us, which is proof you are saved…. It comes around full circle. It is woven together beautifully to make a cord no one can break.

        The wrench in all this, is God graciously gives you all this as a gift, but since we have free will, we have to choose to accept it. We can choose to allow Him to do HIS WILL. We can choose to obey Him. We choose to forgive. We can choose to repent. We can choose to love and to sin…. He will never force salvation on us.(Romans 2:4) Without repentance, obedience or forgiveness, there is no cleansing, there is no valid sacrifice, there is no salvation. These verses make that blatantly clear: Ezekiel 33:10-20, Romans 6:15-19, Matthew 18:21-35, Hebrews 12:12-17, Hebrews 10:16-26, James 2:14-26, Romans 2:1-16, Titus 3:1-11, Hebrews 4:1-8, And the letters to the churches in Revelation is talking about the different type of Believers, it is a warning to turn and repent, to do the works we first did. Notice the faithful are rewarded by being kept from the hour of trial (End times, or more specifically the day of the Lord's wrath) Revelation 2:1-7, 18-23, Revelation 3:1-5, 14-21

        But God knows we are weak. He knows we will make mistakes, that is why He is patient with us and is slow to anger. "2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." Even if we turn away but come back with repentance, it says He can restore us, so I see no biblical basis for never being able to be redeemed again(Romans 11:23) (unless it is blasphemy against the Holy spirit(Mark 3:29), but that's a whole nother topic…)

        So the difference between willful sinning and just sinning out of being a sinful man, is that willful sinning usually keeps a person in a state of unrepentance, and sinning because that's just what we do, results in true repentance if we are filled with the holy spirit that convicts us to do so. We all sin, that's a fact. But whether we choose to stay in it comes down to our free will.

        See it isn't about the type of sin that "looses" salvation, or not doing works that make you good enough, or that you should constantly wonder if you are pleasing God enough, but that repentance is a part of salvation. But the good news is, if you really are a true believer, you will always desire to repent, and God is gracious enough to show you your error and correct you so that you may walk in salvation…. "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret"

      • says

        I am not sure if this will answer all your questions, but the bottom line is that knowing whether or not you have eternal life has nothing whatsoever to do with what you do (or don’t do) or how you feel (or don’t feel).

        Our eternal life is based solely and completely on the promises of Jesus Christ. If you believe in Jesus for His promise of eternal life, then you have eternal life. He promises it! (John 3:16; 5:24; 6:47, etc).

        • Alicia Dyson says

          I think the whole book of romans is a great book to read about faith and grace :) Jeremy, I am sure I may frustrate you at times, but just understand all this interaction is growing me. God is gracious and he gives wisdom to those who seek it. I honestly believe you are right, but that some points I have made are right too. After reading romans, I feel very clear that it is by grace we are saved, but I do also still believe that scripture teaches that a real believer abides in grace and that there can be those never saved to begin with. I also still believed it is a whole package, but not by any of your own doing, but by gods power. Anyways, thanks for inspiring me to learn the word even more… maybe my mind will change on some matters, god knows my heart and I am sure he would not want me left in the dark.

          • says


            We are all growing together! Keep reading, studying, and thinking! I appreciate you and the questions you ask. I will try to write much more in the future to explain some of the questions you have asked and verses you have mentioned.

  14. anthony says

    Hi Want To Know what Hebrew 12:17 Mean about Not To sell Your Birthright i Read it But Im Confuse Because I want to Repent from all my Sin But This Confuse me

    • Alicia Dyson says

      He basically gave up something very precious for something so insignificant. So when it came time to inherit what was rightfully his, he could not have it because he gave it up. Because he never repented before that final day, he forever lost what he had wasted. Asa rresult, he was in anguish over it because he could never have it. I personally feel this is a representation either of those who received salvation and threw it away for insignificant satisfaction (fleshly desires) or those that could have received salvation and traded it for a life of sin. Then it describes the day in the end when everyone receives their inheritance (the kingdom of god and eternal life) and those that traded salvation for sin found out they couldn’t get their inheritance back. Even though they may cry and wail, they never repented before that day came. I wouldn’t worry too much.. if you desire to repent, that’s awesome! God knows your heart and he will forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. Just have faith in him, faith that he will forgive you. Like I mentioned above, he is very patient so that we may come to him in repentance. He won’t just discard you the moment you sin. Read the book of romans for encouragement.

      • anthony says

        Thank You Replying I Commit Lots of sin when i Struggling I want to serve God By Doing his will But I Have hard Time Doing It I Hope he will Help Me Any Time Soon But I Hope I Will Respond to Him There a lot of Bible Verse That Scare me I Believe That God Will Saved Any One IF They Truly Want to Be Saved I Want to Be Saved I Did Accept Jesus Christ As My Lord And Savior i HOPE I Did it in Faith Because i Keep Doubting Because my Double mind and James Mention This

        • Alicia Dyson says

          The thing is Anthony, you can’t do it. That’s the point. That’s why we need God! It is a great place to realize you are unable to do it on your own. Then you can really reach out for God and ask him to his will. When I struggle (which I do everyday) I just tell god I can’t do it and I ask him to live through me and use his power to change me. God understands your heart. Screwing up is not what upsets god. Really take that to heart. He knows sin is difficult to resist. He too was tempted so he could understand our struggles. Understand the devil wants you to feel not good enough. He wants you to worry and have fear. If you didn’t wonder or didn’t feel bad about your sin, that’s when I would start to worry. But obviously you do. I think that throughout your life you have had people tell you that you weren’t good enough, people put you down, people didn’t validate you. But that’s not God. He loves you so much and knew all the mistakes you would make before you even make them. At no point is he ashamed or angry with you. He instead is patient, working out all your imperfections in his due time. Just trust him and realize he won’t forsake you even if you doubt. The bible has a lot of do’s and donts but you musnt worry that you haven’t done them all perfectly. That’s the holy spirits jjob, to do his will and grow good fruit. Not yours. All you need to do is just make sure you submit to him and obey him when he convicts your heart. If you screw up just confess it to god and know his mercies are new everyday. He will be just to forgive you.

  15. SeekerofTruth says

    Thanks for all the above replies to my query. Another verse that is puzzling to me is 1 Timothy 1:13. Is this verse saying that Paul was forgiven only because he sinned ignorantly and if he sinned knowingly he wouldn’t have been forgiven? Seems like this verse parallels and supports Numbers 15:22-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31.

    • Alicia Dyson says

      I really think unless it really comes out there and says it without a doubt, then I wouldn’t draw any hefty conclusions from it. I think he is just describing why he did what he did. Which everything he did was not with malicious intent, he really thought he was doing gods will, but he was ignorant of the truth. He uses this as an example of the greatness of gods grace, not a reason why god hhad grace on him. The bible says that it is better for the man who had never known the truth than the one who had. God has a lot of mercy on those who have never known his love.

      • Vanessa says

        To Alicia, Thank you for you comments. I think I need your prayers, if you could?
        I’m a struggling Christian and I see how your comments support David’s. And I’m concerned about living in willful sin

    • says

      Good question. I should try to answer that one also in a future post. I think the basic answer is that God forgives all sin in Jesus Christ, but when we are in a relationship with God, sin damages the relationship (just as in any relationship), and so to get forgiveness and help mend the rift in the relationship, we must say we are sorry and ask for forgiveness. Paul is saying something similar, and is speaking of his conversion experience, I think.

  16. SeekerofTruth says

    It’s hard to get salvation assurance when one, such as myself, has sinned so grievously after claiming to know Christ. All I can do is throw myself at the feet of Christ in humble submission and hopefully God will forgive my wilfull sin and give me the assurance that I need. I pray for God’s forgiveness and His indwelling of the Holy Spirit to help me live the rest of my life for Him and uprightly in His sight.
    God is a loving God, but He also is to be revered and feared. Holy, Holy is His name!

    Thanks for all the replies.

    • says


      Here’s the encouragement: forgiveness and eternal life are not dependent one tiny little bit on your past behavior or your future behavior, but solely and completely on the finished work of Jesus Christ. And He PROMISES that anyone who believes in Him has everlasting life. So don’t look to your past mistakes as putting you outside of God’s grace, and don’t fear future mistakes either (for you will make them… we all do). Instead, just thank Jesus for the eternal life He has given you as a free gift.

  17. Micheal says

    I need help and answers ALICIA, DAVID and JEREMY

    I have think I may have sinned deliberately, I sinned today or yesterday at 1am with my own will to watch pornography and spill my seed, and three days after that I seen some images on my friends facebook page and I noticed these images which caused me to have lustful intent and I went to these images and looked at them then when to go spill my seed elsewhere, and then I did the same thing before when I recently became christian but that time I did it three times, I,m 18 years old and I felt convicted when I had done them i didn’t feel right, because I felt grievy, and I didn’t know anything about willfully sinning until I read this article and I,m still learning and i feel ashamed and scared of my eternity.

    • Micheal says

      But during the times before I did it today or yesterday at 1am I asked for forgiveness and I feel that I should ask for forgiveness again.

    • says

      We all sin deliberately and willfully. In fact, I think most sin is deliberate and willful.

      So don’t beat yourself up over it. Recognize that God knows about your sin, and has already forgiven you for it. He loves you still. This post is not really about pornography and masturbation, but such things are big issues for many men. The path toward victory is not through beating yourself up every time you fall, but through coming to know and understand the infinite love of God for you.

  18. says

    Hey Jeremy,

    Reading through the comments I’m in agreement with David. In fact I say we don’t differ at all. I’m helping a brother out here.

    We are called to be holy just as God is. I used to shy away from this Hebrew verse and like David said it was because of my unbelief. I believed (unbelief) that it was impossible not to willfully sin, but that was just me folowing the flesh. I believed that sin had more power then Jesus Christ, that sin could still control me even though he who is in me is greater than he who is in the world.

    People have to move past Romans 3 and start living in Romans 6.

    The True Gospel is a call to godliness (holiness). Repenting turning away from unrighteousness. Having faith that we are now dead. We have to fear the Lord. The Gospel requires obedience, obedience to the Spirit.

    If Hebrews 10:26 does not make you change your life radically, you still have unbelief. Yes faith is obedience.

    Also that first John verse you quoted, if you read the previous verses is says God is light and if we say we have fellowship with Him but walk in darkness (live in sin), we lie, and do not the truth. Then it says if we walk in the light, we have fellowship AND the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.

    The book of Hebrews says Jesus died once for ALL sin. What then happens if we keep sinning?

    David never said he has no sin. Free FROM sin not OF sin. Each day we are being cleansed from sins that we do not know as we conform ourselves to godliness.

    Remember Jesus came to save us FROM sin not IN our sins.

    But yes David was right that you missed the part where the writer warns of how much trouble you become IF you trample on the blood of Jesus Christ. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. At the end of chapter 10 the writer says this, ” Now the just shall live by faith….”. Faith is merely saying you believe, faith is obedience to the word of God.

    Read Chapter 11. Faith is obedience to what God wants.

    • says

      Jordan, I am not sure I really understand what it is you are trying to say….

      On the one hand, you say, “…what happens if we keep sinning?” but then you say, “Each day we are being cleansed from sins that we do not know…”

      So do we keep sinning or do we not?

      Then at the end you say, “Faith is merely saying you believe, faith is obedience to the word of God.” What?

      Oh, and I have read Hebrews 11. Many, many times.

      • says

        A little analogy for you, let’s say I was a sinner but then turned toward God. In my sin I would commit adultery, not the lusting definition but sleeping with a married woman.

        As soon as I repented, God in His mercy and Grace forgave me, giving me that saving faith, a new heart and allowing His Spirit to dwell within me. I’m now a new creation, on fire for God. Now say me being ignorant of this Hebrew verse and the whole book itself continued with this sin, even though I know that adultery is wrong because as you say, “thank God for Grace”.

        People like you nullify the meaning behind the warnings in these verses.

        Continuing in the analogy….now me still claiming grace one day after someone shows me these verses, decide to read it but these confronting verses ring fear through me and shakes the ground I stand on. Now I start to doubt whether I’m still under the mercy of God.

        But reading just a verse does no good especially when it’s confronting as this.

        So say I start reading the whole book of Hebrews. And a resounding thing happens as God starts showing me things. God leads me to those of faith mentioned in ch 11. But then He leads me to the story of Esau, and then it hits me. The meaning of Heb 10:26-31.

        The writer is trying to bring us back to the fear of the LORD. Not the fear of judgement and punishment. The true fear of the LORD.

        Proverbs 8:13 KJV
        [13] The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

        Before I continue, is this what you teach here? Do you teach people to hate sin with a passion? what you teach line up with what the rest of the bible teaches? “Dead to sin”, “slave of righteousness not of sin”, “Be holy just as He is holy”.

        Galatians 5:24 KJV
        [24] And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

        You go on to give a few examples of people in the bible who sinned wilfuly such as Abraham and David etc. you forget that these people came back with right standing with God after repenting and seeking mercy and forgiveness. They did not continue in that sin.

        That’s what Hebrews 10:26 is saying. We cant play around with the Spirit of Grace. Cause if you continue to sin wilfuly it’s not the 2-3 witness that will carry out the punishment, it’s God Himself. But God has mercy on those who repent when convicted by Him. Sin wilfuly once God may have mercy and forgive you. Twice He may again forgive you. Keep doing the same sin AND you are not ignorant of the word, there may be a time where you are disqualified from the race.

        I’m not game to try sinning wilfuly.

        Ananias and Sapphira….both had a chance to come clean and repent when the Holy Spirit through Peter asked them about their money. And what did they do. They lied. God had shown mercy and had given them a chance to repent. Both knew I was wrong and I’m sure the Holy Spirit was convicting them to repent. But what attitude did they show? No fear of the LORD, no care in the world of sininig and they paid dearly.

        The same with Esau. Traded his birth right for food. Traded what was unpresihable, the riches to come through God’s promises to Abraham, for something perishable and worthless.

        The writer of Hebrews is talking about those in the convenant made by Jesus Christ.

        If we trade the promise of eternal life for pleasures of this world, there is no more sacrifice for us because to come back into the covenant again one would have to crucify the Son of God again.

        As for your question if we keep sinning or not….do you know of every sin in your life? Are you aware of every sin in your life?

        If you have conscious sin in your life, you have to repent from it. That is God convicting you and conforming you to the likeness of His Son. As you walk in faith, as you live you life out in faith, the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanses sin that is revealed to you by God through the Holy Spirit.

        Proverbs 16:6 KJV
        [6] By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.

        That verse describes how the life of someone in faith should be like. It says iniquity, sin, is purged. Removed! Removed by truth and God’s enduring mercy. He knows sins in our life that we are not aware of, ignorant of, but He shows us patience and mercy. By truth we shall be free of sin and cleansed by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

        But you have you have the fear of the Lord to depart from sin stay away from it.

        For your question on faith. Read Hebrews 3 and 4. It was because of unbelief, disobedience, that most of the Israelistes did not enter the promise land.

        So what I’m trying to say is in this post you have taken out obedience to the word of God by saying that we are under grace, and we all sin wilfuly, God forgives if we go out murdering people, commit adultery, steal, take His name in vain etc.

        People walking after the Holy Spirit STILL need to obey the Spirit. They are NOT lawless.

        1 Peter 1:14 KJV
        [14] As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
        [15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
        [16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

        • says

          I guess I’m going to hell then, for I cannot think of a sin that I have not committed which I didn’t know was wrong beforehand.

          And just in case there are some, it is better for me to stop reading the Bible and seeking to become more like Jesus because this only leads me to see more and more where I sin.

          I jest, of course. I fully expect to see Ananias and Sapphira in heaven. In fact, – are you ready for a shock? – probably Judas as well!

          Anyway, you have left a very long comment so I cannot respond to it adequately. Please try to keep your comments short and concise. Blog comments are for dialogue, not for preaching sermons.

  19. scott says

    I’m just wondering Jeremy, i am a christian a god fearing one who loves the word, church and prayer and Jesus. what i get from this is that (and i may be incorrect) but i can rape, murder, lie, and commit adultery (and i choose these because these are some of the types of sin i would call willful) and still have my free gift of salvation, meaning simply i will go to heaven.

    • says

      You got that from this post?! That’s amazing, especially since I believe nothing of the sort and have written nothing of the sort above!

      I would be curious to know the thought process and logical steps you took to arrive at that idea from what I have written above…

    • Justin Wiles says

      There’s definitely a bit of complexity when it comes to questions like this. I’m hoping I can choose my words carefully because I don’t want to sound like I’m condoning sin. Scott mentions some examples of grievous willful sins such as murder, rape, sexual immorality, etc. and wonder what they mean in light of the gift of salvation freely given by faith in Christ.

      If we today would see a Christian, and we have seen some well known names in the Christian world, commit one of these sins there would be a whole lot of doubt concerning the state of their soul (I think it is biblical to have concerns but I don’t agree with self-righteous fruit inspecting). But what about the great biblical heroes who did these exact things? I’m sure we’re all familiar with King David’s adultery and murder cover up trying to hide his sin, Jonah’s sins when he ran from God (which Jeremy talked about in another post), Paul’s non-specific yet powerful account of his sinful struggles, etc. These all had their own rough journeys to repentance as well. I don’t think that things were any different for them than they are for us.

      There are many, many more examples of whom we consider to be God’s best and brightest and their sins. These sins when they were committed were willful. Unless you have no clue that what you are doing is wrong there is always that varying length of time where you have the choice to sin or not. Temptation presents a choice and there is always a way out. There may be minimal conviction because you don’t see the sin as a big deal, there may be a lot of conviction yet you are not able to overcome your urges, and there are probably, if you’re honest with yourself, urges that have your flesh making you feel like you don’t want to give them up.

      The questions that I ultimately come to because of all this deal with all these lines that nobody really knows how to draw. We see many great people of God throughout the Bible at their lowest points and how their faith in God led them to be used for great things (and so despite their grievous sin we see them as holy because they grew and showed great faith and fruit) but what about those in the Bible who are said to have believed but are never heard from again in the text? Are we to assume that they all did just as great things as the apostles or did many of them struggle with the same sinful choices we do? If a true believer’s life isn’t characterized by a life controlled by sin just how much sin defines living in sin? Were there sins in the lives of the apostles that were persistent and that they continued to choose to do? If so why are we so quick to use the false convert charge for us and not for them?

      Again I’ll have to apologize for rambling but this hits very close to home. I let all these questions build up and tear me down until I can’t take it and have to spill it out on the blogosphere. One of the only things I’ve noticed was that all those biblical heroes I’ve mentioned turned to faith in God because of their sin and did not parade them about or try to justify them in the end. Some of them took longer to repent than others but isn’t it the same for us? In the midst of our willful and grievous sin isn’t our solution to turn to faith in Christ just like they did? I ask because recently in my growth I feel I’ve hit a growth spurt thanks to the fellowship I’ve had on this blog, but although I can rejoice that some of my sinful attitudes and habits have changed or weakened I can now see even worse sin in my life that has me feeling wrecked because to deny it would devastate me. I’m hoping for growth but if real Christians don’t struggle with willful sin I am once again doomed.

  20. Raphael says

    Christians at best are people, and people at best are sinners. There is no such thing as a Christian without sin, which is proof that the doctrine of Lordship Salvation is of the Devil. The word “advocate” in 1st John 2:1 is the Greek parakletos and means “one who pleads another’s cause before a judge, a pleader; an intercessor, of Christ in His exaltation at God’s right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins” (SOURCE: ENHANCED STRONG’S LEXICON). What a wonderful truth… Jesus is our Lawyer in Heaven (and not like all the lying, cut-throat, lawyers here on earth). The Word of God comforts us, by informing us that Jesus Christ will plead on our behalf, for the sins we have committed. Why would Jesus do this? It’s because of the precious blood that Jesus shed for our sins, and our faith in Him alone. When a Christian sins, we have a Heavenly Intercessor, i.e., an Eternal Highpriest; namely, Christ Jesus. If you are unsaved, then you have NO legal representation. You will stand on your own before the Judge, and be cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:11-15).

    • Raphael says

      The connection between YAHWEH’S choosing and the work of the Spirit, along with the word obey comes out with equal clearness in Kepha, “according to the foreknowledge of YAHWEH our ABBA in separation from evil by the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of YAHSHUA the MESSIYAH.” Kepha Alef 1:2. The SetApart Spirit is the Spirit of the life of the MESSIYAH YAHSHUA. As we come to know, honour, and trust YAHSHUA, we will learn and experience that in the New Covenant, separation from evil, which the Spirit works in us, is our New Covenant right! Then we will be assured that as YAHWEH promised, so the Spirit will work it in us, that we “should serve YAHWEH without fear, in righteousness and pureness before YAHWEH, all the days of our life.” With the pureness from evil in YAHSHUA and YAHSHUA’S Spirit of pureness in our hearts, we can live a life SetApart from evil, a life SetApart unto YAHWEH! That is if we believe and trust YAHWEH, who will do it in us!

      In light of this New Covenant promise, with the MESSIYAH and the SetApart Spirit to work it out in us, there comes new meaning to the teaching of the New Covenant. Take the first letter Sha’ul wrote. It was directed to believers who had only a few months previously been turned away from worshipping idols, to serve the living Mighty One, and they were waiting for YAHSHUA, who had risen into the heavens, to return. Sha’ul tells them in regard to their being SetApart from evil that they were to receive and expect this, because YAHWEH was working it in them, this work many believers pass right by as obscure, “Now YAHWEH our ABBA, and our Master YAHSHUA, may they direct our way to you and may our Master increase and overflow your love, one to another, to all people also, even as we love you. This will establish your hearts, blameless in separation from evil before YAHWEH our ABBA, in the presence of our Master YAHSHUA with all HIS SetApart from evil Ones-(saints). TesloniqYah Alef-(1 Thessalonians) 3:11-13. (NOTE: English versions translate the Greek hagios and its variances as; holy, holiness, sanctify, sanctification, hallowed, sanctuary, saints, sacred. The literal meaning is-to be separated from evil and SetApart unto YAHWEH. Vine’s pg. 307).

      This promise, to be SetApart from evil, blameless in heart, is established by YAHWEH through YAHSHUA! Sha’ul might have indeed said “Who has believed our report?” He had written of himself: “You are our witnesses, as is YAHWEH, how SetApart from evil, right before YAHWEH (righteous), and blameless we were with you, the ones that believe.” TesloniqYah Alef 2:10. Sha’ul assured them of what YAHWEH had done for him, and what YAHWEH would do for them–give them hearts that are blameless, SetApart from evil! The Assembly (church) believes so little in the mighty power of YAHWEH and the truth of YAHWEH’S SetApart Covenant, so that such a heart of pureness from evil is hardly ever spoken of. This verse is often quoted in connection with the coming of YAHSHUA with HIS SetApart Ones, but its real point is that when HE does come, we will meet HIM with our hearts established, blameless in separation from evil, which YAHWEH does through the SetApart Spirit! All of this is not understood nor proclaimed nor expected.

      Let us look at another verse in this letter. “YAHWEH the Mighty One of peace,” this is a key to the New Covenant; what you cannot do YAHWEH will work in you, “Set you Apart from evil completely, “this you can ask for and expect”, and your entire spirit, inner being and body be kept blameless in the presence of our Master YAHSHUA the MESSIYAH.” TesloniqYah Alef- 5:24. This is the truth revealed of the New Covenant, that, that which has not entered into the mind nor the heart of man, YAHWEH WILL work in all those who wait on YAHWEH! Until the Assembly awakes to see and believe that being SetApart from evil is the gift of YAHWEH, through YAHSHUA, and worked out by the Spirit in us, and that our whole belief system must be an unceasing dependence to receive it direct from YAHWEH by the Spirit, all of these promises will remain a sealed book!

      To grant us. It is a gift from above, the promise given with the Covenant was “I YAHWEH have spoken it, I will do it! “We need to ask YAHWEH to show us both what YAHWEH will do, and that YAHWEH will do it all in us. When we believe and trust, expecting all from YAHWEH, then the promises will be found. “Who have been delivered out of the hand of our enemies.” ZecharYah has just before this said: YAHWEH has raised a horn of deliverance for us in the house of David, deliverance from our enemies and the hand that hates us. It is only a free people who can serve a Pure Mighty One, or be pure themselves. It is only as the teaching of RomiYah-(Romans) 6:5-14 is experienced and we come to know that we are “freed from Law breaking and “freed from the Law” and that “the Spirit of life in the MESSIYAH YAHSHUA has made us free from the Law of Law breaking and death,” that in perfect freedom from every evil power that can hinder us, we will expect YAHWEH to do YAHWEH’S

    • says

      I agree on many points, and disagree on others. I wouldn’t necessarily say that Lordship salvation is of the devil … that’s a little too strong for my taste. But you make great points about the advocate in 1 John 2:1 and how Jesus intercedes for us.

  21. Raphael says

    What About Professed Believers who Live in Unrepentant Sin?

    What about professed Christians who live in unrepentant sin, i.e., they have no desire to repent of their sins? Are they genuinely saved? The Apostle John stated… “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother” (1st John 3:8-10). Obviously, we cannot live above sin as long as we are living in this corrupt, carnal, flesh. 1st John 1:8 confirms this, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” No mortal can live above sin (Romans 3:23).

    So then what does 1st John 38-10 mean? It simply means this–there should be a sincere desire in the soul of every born-again believer to live righteously to please the Lord. A professed Christian, such as Marsha Stevens, who openly boasts of having a homosexual marriage, is not a true Christian according to 1st John 3:8-10. When a person truly repents, i.e., has a change of mind that causes him or her to turn to Christ in faith for salvation, then a change in that person’s life should follow afterwards. This is exactly what James meant when he said… “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works” (James 2:18). James wasn’t speaking of salvation. In Romans, Paul speaks of the ROOT of our faith (Romans 4:5); BUT James speaks of the FRUIT of our faith. Although Lot in the Old testament lived in sinful Sodom, he DIDN’T brag and boast of it; rather, he felt convicted from day to day concerning sin (2nd Peter 2:7). So to answer the above question concerning professed believers who choose to live in sin… a genuine Christian should feel much conviction when they live in unrepentant sin. This is evidenced in Hebrews 12:7,8, “If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.” A professed “Christian” who lives in unrepentant sin, and has no conviction from the Holy Spirit to forsake those sins, is a LIAR, certainly no Christian in any sense. If Marsha Stevens were a true Christian, then God’s Holy Spirit would convict her continually about the sin of homosexuality, and her need to repent of such wickedness

    • says

      It is so strange what you write here in comparison with what you wrote elsewhere on this comment thread about Lordship salvation being of the devil, because as far as I can tell, this comment fits in perfectly with what proponents of Lordship salvation teach….

  22. Raphael says

    When a Christian sins, we are to humbly go to the Lord in prayer and seek His forgiveness. This is clearly taught in 1st John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” A man once argued with me, saying that believers were already forgiven in Christ, and there is no need to ask God for forgiveness on a daily basis. He was wrong. Although God lives in eternity, where there is no time, we mortals live within the box of time. If I sin today, then I have a need to make things right with God today. Although my sins are already eternally forgiven in Christ Jesus, I am still expected to maintain a close fellowship with my God. So we must differentiate between salvation (which is our relationship with Christ), and our Christian walk (which is our fellowship with Christ). Many believers today are saved certain in Christ Jesus, but fail to walk with God, and are asleep concerning righteousness. These are the believers who go to church regularly; but never go soulwinning, never contend for the faith, and never do anything for Christ. We learn in 1st Corinthians 3:1 that the church at Corinth was CARNAL. Soulwinning wasn’t even a concern to them. They were saved, but not walking in the Spirit (i.e., with God).

    If you’re a Christian, and you’ve sinned, then 1st John 1:9 is for you… “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Here’s an illustration. I am my father’s son, and nothing can change that. No matter what crime or sin I may commit, even if my father disowns me, I am still his son forever. Now, I may have a broken fellowship with my father, but he is still my father nonetheless. If I return to my father, as the prodigal son did, asking for forgiveness, I am not asking to be his literal son again. I am seeking reconciliation concerning my fellowship, but not my sonship. The same is true with God. When we sin as believers, we are still God’s child, but we have a broken fellowship with our Heavenly Father.

  23. Raphael says

    Oh! Listen my brother or sister, God will forgive you of any sin, if you’ll simply humble yourself at the throne of grace. Your sins are already washed away by the blood of Jesus if you’re a believer, which gives you a right to BOLDLY come before God’s throne of grace… “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” You’re not asking God to forgive you in the sense of washing your sins away; but in the sense of a child who has disobeyed and disappointed a loving Father.

    When sinners came to Jesus for forgiveness, He never berated them with harsh words. No, rather, Jesus encouraged them as a loving Savior, saying, “Go and sin no more” (John 5:14; 8:11). What’s in the past is over–water under the bridge. The past is gone forever. Assuming we’ve made reconciliation with anyone we may have sinned against, we need to place our guilt of past sins under the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ. Jesus died so we could have PEACE. “There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked” (Isaiah 48:22). It’s the blood of Jesus that brings peace with God… “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1).

    And let me say this, you cannot have a proper fellowship with God if you are wrong with man (Matthew 5:23,24). If you want to be right with God in your Christian walk, then you need to apologize and/or make restitution with anyone you may have hurt. They may not accept your apology, but at least you tried. God only holds you accountable for your words and actions. Some believers live in a delusional world, thinking they can mistreat people and simultaneously please God. No sir! The hallmark quality of being a Christian is CARING. As believers, we should care about our testimony, and that we honor our Savior in our words and actions. We are to exemplify Christ in our life. Although we will sin at times as believers, because we are still in the flesh, we need to make things right with those we hurt. No wrong should go unrighted. 1st Thessalonians 4:6 promises that God will avenge those we defraud, and vise versa.

    Proverb 24:16 states, “For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.” Every Christian falls. The Hebrew word for falleth means TO STUMBLE. Hence, no matter how much we try to live for the Lord in the Holy Spirit’s power, we will stumble in this carnal flesh. The second mention of the word fall in Proverb 26:16 means TO QUIT. The wicked don’t even try to live right, because they don’t care about the things of God. So at best, the believer tries to live right but struggles, falling, and getting up, and falling again, and getting up. This is pleasing to the Lord because at least we are making an attempt to do right. This applies to the born-again Christian of course, as no amount of self-righteousness can get us into Heaven. I’m speaking about Christian living here, not salvation. To be saved, you need His Righteousness. The wicked don’t even try to live right, but gnash upon the righteous with their criticisms and hatred because we are of God.

  24. Raphael says

    Obedience is possible! The thought of a demand which a man cannot possibly deliver, cuts at the very root of true hope and strength. The secret thought; No man can obey YAHWEH, throws thousands back into the Old Covenant life and into a false peace that YAHWEH does not expect more than that we do our best. Obedience is possible, the whole New Covenant promises and secures this. Only understand rightly what obedience means. The renewed believer still has the flesh, with its evil nature, out of which arises involuntary evil thoughts, and dispositions. These may also be found in a truly obedient believer. Obedience deals with the doing of what is known to be YAHWEH’S will, as taught by the Word, the SetApart Spirit and our conscience. When George Mueller spoke of the great happiness he had for more than sixty years in YAHWEH’S service, he attributed it to two things, he loved YAHWEH’S Word and he had maintained a good conscience, not willingly going on in a course he knew to be against the will of YAHWEH. When the full light of YAHWEH came upon Gerhard Tersteegen, he wrote; “I promise with your help and power, to rather give up the last drop of my blood, than knowingly and willingly in my heart or life be untrue and disobedient to YOU.” Such obedience is an attainable degree of unmerited favor. Obedience is possible. When the Law is written on the heart, when the heart is circumcised to love YAHWEH with all our heart and to obey YAHWEH, when the love of YAHWEH is shed throughout the heart, then it means that the love of YAHWEH’S Law and of YAHWEH has become the moving power of our life. This love is no vague sentiment, in man’s imagination of something that only exists in the heavens, but a living, mighty power of YAHWEH in the heart, working effectually according to YAHWEH’S working, which works in us powerfully. A Life Of Obedience is Possible

  25. Raphael says

    This obedience is of belief and trust: “By belief and trust, Avraham- (Abraham) obeyed.” Ivrim (Hebrews) 11:8, Bereshith (Genesis) 22:9-18. By belief and trust, the promises of the Covenant, the presence of the Guarantor of the Covenant, the hidden workings of the SetApart Spirit, the love of YAHWEH in power to make true in us all YAHWEH’S love and promises, must live in us. Belief and trust can bring them near and make us live in the very midst of them. YAHSHUA and HIS wonderful redemption do not remain at a distance from us in the heavens, but can become our continual experience. However cold or weak we may feel, belief and trust knows that the new heart is in us, that the love of YAHWEH’S Law is our very nature, that the teaching and power of the Spirit are within us. This kind of belief and trust knows it can obey!

    Let us hear the voice of our Deliverer, the Guarantor of the Covenant, as HE says with a deeper fuller meaning than when HE was on earth: “Only believe. If you can believe, all things are possible to those that believe.” And last of all, let us understand; Obedience is Happiness! Do not regard it only as the way to the joy and happiness of the New Covenant, but as itself joy and happiness. To have the voice of YAHWEH teaching and guiding you, to be what YAHWEH wills you to be, in working out what YAHWEH works in you by the Spirit, in doing YAHWEH’S will and pleasing YAHWEH, truly all this is unspeakable joy and full of honour. To a healthy person it is a delight to walk or work, to put forth your strength and conquer difficulties. To a slave or a hireling it is bondage and weariness. The Old Covenant demanded obedience with a relentless must, and the threat that followed it. The New Covenant changes the must, to can and will. Do ask YAHWEH, by the SetApart Spirit, to show you how: “you have been created in the MESSIYAH YAHSHUA unto good works,” and how as fitted as a vine is for bearing grapes, your new nature is perfectly prepared for every good work. Ask YAHWEH to show you that YAHWEH means obedience not only to be a possible thing, but the most delightful and attractive gift that YAHWEH has to give, and the entrance into YAHWEH’S love and all its blessings. In the New Covenant the chief thing is not the wonderful treasure of strength and unmerited favor it contains, nor even the heavenly security that that treasure never can fail, but this, that the living mighty ONE gives of this One’s self, and makes the Spirit of YAHWEH known, and takes possession of us as our Mighty One. For this reason mankind was created, for this YAHWEH has restored our relationship once again, for this, that it will be our actual experience-the SetApart Spirit has been given and is dwelling in us. Between what YAHWEH has already worked out in us and what YAHWEH waits to work, obedience is the blessed link!

    Let us seek to walk before YAHWEH in the confidence that we are of those who live in a pure conscience (a conscience turned away from evil, and SetApart unto YAHWEH), my one work is to obey YAHWEH!

    What can the reason be, I ask again, that so many believers have seen so little of the beauty of this New Covenant life, with its power to set us apart from evil, and its joyful obedience? YAHSHUA was with the students, but their hearts were blind, it is still so today! It is as with Elishua’s servant, all messengers surrounded him, and he did not know it! Nothing will help but prayer: “ YAHWEH open his eyes, so that he will see.” Melechim Bet- (2 Kings) 6:14-17. YAHWEH is there not someone who may be reading this, who needs one touch to see it all? Oh, give that touch!

    Just listen my brothers and sisters, Your ABBA loves you with an infinite love and longs to make you, even this very day, YAHWEH’S pure (separated from evil), happy and obedient child. Hear YAHWEH’S message: YAHWEH has for you an entirely different life from what you are now living. A life in which YAHWEH’S unmerited favor will actually work in you every moment, all YAHWEH asks you to be. A life of simple child- like obedience, doing each day only what YAHWEH shows you to be YAHWEH’S will. A life in which the abiding love of your ABBA, and the abiding presence of your Saviour YAHSHUA, and the joy of the Separate Spirit, can keep you, and make you glad and strong. This is YAHWEH’S message. This life is for you. Do not fear to accept this life, to give yourself up to it and its entire obedience. In the MESSIYAH it is possible, it is a sure thing.

    Now my brothers and sisters, just turn and ask the ABBA, by the SetApart Spirit, to show you the beautiful heavenly life. Ask and expect it. Keep your eyes and heart fixed upon it. The great blessing of the Covenant is obedience, the wonderful power to will and do as YAHWEH wills

  26. Raphael says

    It is possible to live a life for Yahweh through his son Yahushua without sin and be untainted when you are Spirit filled and set apart, otherwise what was the reason and advantage of Yahushua introducing and implementing the New Covenant . What advantage is there to be in Yahushua if there is not a change possible for all that follow him and are Spirit filled what was the use of all of it. If no change Then Yahushua died and was resurrected in vain, Yahweh forbid. We are to be Spirit filled and Spirit led, Yahweh said he will make it happen so it is no longer on us to be the weak link in the chain, we are strengthened and made heirs to Yahushuas great power through almighty Yahweh. We have died and a new creation is born, We just have to believe if not we are still under the Law. Now you can see what Paul is speaking of by no longer under the Law. When you are Spirit filled and set apart the Law no longer holds you, it is as if you are above it and in truth you are. This is the wonderful truth and the mystery Yahweh is talking about revealed in due time. We are all heirs being set apart first and cleansed then on to Yahushuas works.

    • says


      If what you mean is that according to Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6 and 10, that there is no longer anything that is unlawful for the person who has trusted in Christ, then, yes, I agree, it is not possible for a believer to sin, because all things are now lawful, and no longer capable of placing the believer under the condemnation of the law.

      I suspect that this is not what you mean, however. I suspect that what you believe is that now that we have new life in us, it is possible to live life perfectly and without ever once messing up the sanctified life. Trading legalism for pietism is really no improvement, we are no longer under the power of the law, and no longer slaves to sin, we still can and do fall short of perfection, in fact, Romans 7 gives us a pretty clear picture of the kind of abject failure that results from trying to live a pious life under our own power.

      Also, can you explain why you feel the need to use the Jewish names for Jesus and God, the audience here is not largely Hebrew, and to us continued use of words like Yahushua and Yahweh simply sound like you are trying to sound superior in some way. I promise you that God does not care if you use the Hebrew form of His name in preference to any other language. He knows who you are talking about, even when you are spelling Yahweh wrong.

      Pastor FedEx

    • DavidnFran says

      I would like to acknowledge that since my last post, I detected willful sin in my life. It was willful because I had not taken the time to consider what I was doing, even though I had opportunities to consider it. I could argue that I was not fully aware of my sin, and I really wasn’t, but I could have been aware, I think. This all seems to support what Jeremy is saying, at least to some extent, if I am understanding him right. And I also found provision from Yahweh – I call Him Yahweh because His name is not “God” – to acknowledge that willful sin, and for repentance from it. I found the mercy of Yahweh obtained for me by Yahshua! He set me free from that sin, and I no longer am held captive by it! And Jeremy is right that the scriptures will show you where you have fallen short! That is why I read, so that I can be instructed, corrected, led, and even chastened by my heavenly Father. When you do that, the Word says that you are a true son (or daughter), because Yahovah (the spelling I am not sure about) disciplines His children. When you receive that discipline, you are walking in the Light! His will for our lives, after all, is sanctification – I read this in the bible! Reading the Word that exposes our utter sinfulness without exercising faith for it’s removal will doom us to a life of bondage to it! That is not the faith that saves us! You can’t be drowning in a river of sin, and on the bank safe, and secure at the same time! And if you are believing for drowning, that is what will happen! People have drowned in 6 inches of water because they were believing for drowning!

      Some people seem to have a one track mind about spiritual things. They seem to focus on who goes to heaven. I submit that a mature man goes beyond this, and gives consideration to bringing honor to the Father, and the Son! That is the context in which I have written here. The Father, and the Son are honored when They are allowed to indwell us without interference from us. They are honored when we have faith for that, and then They bring it to pass. They don’t get honor from us when we are believing for unrighteousness! If we insist that we will always practice some sin as long as we live on earth, we are believing for unrighteousness, and it will be done to us according to our faith! Faith is supposed to be used not just for escaping the flames of hell, and going to heaven, but even more for righteousness – thinking, speaking, and acting like Them, which brings Them honor in the earth!

      This is a process, and our Father knows our hearts. Our spiritual neediness is without question, so He is not shocked by our problems. We can more than trust Him to love us while we work through our stuff! And if we want to be like Him, we must love ourselves while we work through it, too! Anyone that is willing to let go of anything that He tells them to let go of, and walks transparently before Him, can be led in to all Truth! This is the salvation walk, and this is true Peace! If we lose our peace, we need to ask our Father why right away! Peace is good! Don’t wait until your sick! Get right with Him as quickly as you can, and stay in peace!

      I hope that I have kept this short enough!

  27. Paul says

    King David said ‘Keep your servant also from willful sins, may they not rule over me.’ meaning that King David, a man after God’s own heart, struggled with willful sin. We know that he did terrible things. Was this because he did not have the Spirit? I think not. We know that even the Israelite in the desert had the Spirit. According to Corinthians ‘They all passed through the cloud and were baptized. They all drank from the spiritual water of Christ’ (Not direct quotation, in a hurry, sorry). Therefore, if the man who was like God could kill, commit adultery and repent, I doubt we would be condemned for our mistakes.

    • DavidnFran says

      David found his way to repentance. Esau sought repentance with tears, but could not find his way to it. If we fear God like we should, we will not want to take any chances of ending up like Esau! He wanted to repent, but he had been trapped forever by that sin!

      • Paul says

        So, in your perception of things, God only saves a person who’s mind is CONSTANTLY focused on sin, making sure they find it and repent of it? Your telling me that you don’t have ungodly thoughts, that you don’t stumble on the line between regular attraction and lust, that you never idolize anything?
        It is clear that the sin of Esua was a rejection of God’s gifts altogether, not just some little breach of the moral law.

        “Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.”

        A human cannot remain sinless, nor, sometimes, can we even be sure what IS and ISN’T a sin (There is mosaic law, moral law, some points that Paul makes are legitimately not culturally relevant anymore). And it is by FAITH that we carry on through the fear of condemnation.

        I will not worship a god who demands that we be obsessive compulsive. Fortunately, I do not have to.

        • DavidnFran says

          I have been adopted by a new “Daddy”. He is raising me to be like Himself. I cling to Him, and love to be with Him, and want to be like Him. Since I am going a way that I have never been before, and since He knows all things, I can trust Him to have my best interest at heart, which He certainly does! It is a normal thing in any relationship to be sensitive to the other party, especially if you love them! I am sensitive to what my Father’s desires are because I love Him. Since He sent His only begotten Son to save me from sin, it is only natural for me to pay close attention to His instructions in this regard! I am paying attention, and He is cluing me in to how His kingdom works! It is a natural thing to want to please someone that you really love! I like the purifying process that He is leading me through because it pleases Him, and honors Him when I cooperate with that process! The fact that it is the salvation process is certainly a bonus for me, but not the motivation for it!

          Your words reveal an idolatrous heart! There is something in your life that you are not at peace with, and you know that it is not supposed to be there! And because of that, the only way that you can make your fleshly version of the gospel work is to say that you will always be a practicing sinner, because you either have no plans to leave certain sins, and/or have believed the lie that those sins will always be more powerful than the body, and blood of Yahshua, so you say that they cannot be overcome. (I know that what I am saying is true because scripture reveals it, and also because I have been where you are now.) Israel could not enter the promised land for the same reason! I repeat, Israel could not enter the promised land for the same reason! They said that they would never be able, even with Yahweh’s help, to overcome the giants in that land. Yahweh counted that as faithlessness, and after being disbelieved by them ten times, He cut them off from that promised land forever. The promised land for us is that same land that Abraham looked for, where we live with the Father, Son, Spirit, and righteous men being made perfect through faith in Them! You are saying what they said back then. They did not make it! Hebrews 3 and 4 says that this is a warning to us! Please tell me how you can explain this away!

          We take every thought captive and make it obey Yahshua! If we are buffeted by unwholesome thoughts, we find a brother, confess our faults, and get them to cast that demon out of us so that we can walk in love without hindrance! That is the promised land of liberty, and freedom, and stopping short of that is faithlessness!

          We are not talking about what a human can do! We are talking about the gospel! The gospel has us trusting our Creator to indwell us, and live His life through us miraculously! But that is not a reality to you yet because you have not been willing to die so that They can take your place! It’s not about us! I repeat, it is not about us! But fleshly persons reveal their fleshliness when they make these faithless statements!

          This is good news if you let these Words have their way with you! Thank Elohim that we do not have to remain faithless, but can be quickly on the path to faithfulness by simply acknowledging our sin to our Father, repent of it, and then trust in Yahshua to overcome it! That’s what I finally did, by the grace of Elohim! Thank you, Father!

  28. Paul says

    You are obviously not familiar with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. It is real, just as real as Biblical truth. It will always accuse not matter what we do. There will always be another sin, always a way in which we don’t measure up. You use many Godly sounding words and phrases, but you have no clue what some people go through. You lay burdens on men that are too heavy for them to bare. Your faith is a faith that is only for the strong. It is useless to real suffering sinners, to people who perceive the sins that are in all things.

    I used to believe what you believe, but it doesn’t work, it isn’t real. No one can fully stop sinning without lying to themselves, and driving themselves to the point of insanity in the process.

    Remember ‘By one sacrifice he has purified forever all who are being made perfect.’ I see him working in my life, helping me to gradually overcome one sin after another, gradually. This is real and true, God works in me, even when I don’t really want him to, sometimes.

    I know that if I have to focus all of my energy on being saved, I cannot be saved; but a God who works that way would be a cruel and merciless God. Your faith sounds good, but in reality it lacks love. No one who is that busy being perfect can ever really love. Christ is perfecting us, it is our duty to love. My conscience testifies to this.

    ‘Perfect love casts out fear.’

  29. DavidnFran says

    Brother, I said that this is a process where we can rely on our Heavenly Father to mercifully lead us, and so we can love ourselves, and forgive ourselves as we go through it. And I agree He leads us through overcoming one sin at a time. But He can’t lead a willful idolater past their idol! And He cannot lead someone in to total victory if they don’t believe that He can do it! I am just saying that once we are willing to let God put His finger an anything in our life, He can then lead us in to all truth. This walk of salvation works for someone just starting out with God, persons that have walked with Him for 100 years, and everyone in between! You believe that He is leading you to a place where you are like Him in thought, word, and deed. Is there anything wrong with that? Anybody can believe for continuing to be like the devil, or not being as much like the devil as they used to be! I am submitting to you that until you believe for walking like Yahshua, you will never even get a good start in that direction! But, the moment that our Father gets you to a place where you can receive this mystery of godliness, you will find Him showing up inside you even more, in response to your faith! And instead of teaching that you will always be a little like the devil, you will proclaim, in faith, along with me, that we will walk by the Spirit, and so never break God’s law of love. We will make it there because God is honoring the faith that He has placed within us for just that purpose!

    If we trust our heavenly Father to deliver us out of all sin – we can’t deliver ourselves – from the day that we start with Him, until the very end, while also trusting Him to forgive us every time we repent of a discovered sin, and so, are able to receive that forgiveness without any continuing guilt, or shame, what is wrong with that? I live this way, and have real peace. I am seeing sin the way that God sees it, and yet I am in no condemnation whatsoever. It is because my conscience is clear! I have given up struggling against my Maker! I am simply going with Him!

    Contrast that with what you are proposing, where in order to scrape up some sort of sanity, you have to downplay sin altogether as a coping mechanism. Anxiety looms over you, no matter how hard you try to escape it. From time, to time you have to go and ask others if they think that you are really saved, or not. Eventually you need sleeping pills to try and sleep. You may have to take prozac to try and cope with everyday life. Your conscience is not clear! Different physical ailments begin to creep in to your body. And a sense of condemnation will not leave you just because you quote the verse that greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

    This is good news IF you recognize from it that you are trapped by the enemy, because you know Whom to go to to get untrapped! It is “works” to someone that will not give up the idol that is destroying them!

    “Trust, and obey is the only way to be happy in Yahshua!” is as true a verse from song that has ever been sung!

  30. DavidnFran says

    I would just like to add that our heavenly Father is saving me out of the most vile, filthy, perverted sinful past, and I am forever grateful that He would even consider doing that for me! I know what I am being saved out of, and I don’t want to ever go back! I know what I am being rescued from, and I receive it thankfully! I was being destroyed by sin! My life was a disaster! He stooped down to me, and pulled me out of much hellish trouble, and to this day, He still rescues me when I am in trouble! And still, while knowing all about my spiritual neediness, I confess that He is taking me to a place where I will experience thinking, speaking, and acting just like Him. I wish that someone had told me about this when I started out with Him! I might not have been able to receive it right away, but if this was a pattern in the church, I expect that I could have received it much sooner than I did. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we all have to be led for years through a wilderness before He can get us to a place where we can receive this faith. I am hoping that we can somehow pass this along so that some might not have to spend so long in that wilderness!

  31. Rob says

    What is greater?

    That we scorn the sinner? or that we love the sinner?

    That we demand we are right and refuse to forgive? or Humbly listen to another and respect another opinion?

    That we pray for the hungry and the sick? or we feed and comfort them?

    That we lie and deceive one another? or Tell the truth in a loving way even if it hurts?

    The thing that breaks my heart is how some prideful some people are who actually think they don’t sin anymore. I sin still in one way or another. I don’t like it, but I am still in the flesh and I believe that one this side of heaven I will never be without sin. To define sin it’s anything that goes against God’s law. So here’s the kicker if you wear mixed fabrics as most people do you sin. If you are a man and you have long hair guess what? That’s a sin too. If you have a beard you better not shave it why? because that’s a sin too. If your clean shaven yep! sin. You like rare or medium rare steak? Can’t eat it Why? because it has blood in it. Yea it has fat juices too but it still has blood in it even if it’s a small amount, no pork chops either or any pork for that matter bye bye bacon. I could go on and on but frankly I don’t feel like covering all 620 Mosaic laws. Now some of you may say well those are Levitical laws true but they are still part of God’s law to say otherwise would mean that your are changing and even taking away from the God’s word. Which is also a sin. So if you wish to talk about the ten commandments then I think every person dead and alive have broken all of it too. James 2:10 says that very thing. If salvation hinged on our performance no one would be saved. Now I do believe that if a person is just living a lifestyle of sin and not really caring one way or another then that person is certainly headed for trouble,but if your a born again you will have a new nature and it takes time to grow in maturity. So as we lean on Christ and trust in Him alone He will guide us in rightouness , but we must be vigilant and heed the holy spirit and obey His will.

  32. Anthony says

    I willfully sinned. i committed a sexual sin and other sin i forget about . i know full well what i was doing, i knew it was a sin but i still committed it. i didn’t consider the consequences, i thought that Grace was Big which it is big but it dosent cover willful sin i find website that talk about that willful sin and they say nothing comforting to calm me down and the scripture also condemn these acts i am a foolish person who commits sin i’m not a christian if i was i wouldn’t commit willful sin. yes christian sin but they do it out of temptation and weakness i didn’t now i doomed to hell there no sacrifice to cover my sin i didn’t reject Christ or his sacrifice but my action speak louder than words all because i like to masturbate and think of women the bible say but i don’t know what verse it is but it say something like this christian is born of god they don’t sin because the seed abide in them now i fearful for my life and i should be

  33. Donald Reiher says

    A quick glance at the context of vs 26-39 talks about “we” and “the blood of the covenant by which HE was sanctified, and “The Lord will judge His people.” There are many other indicators in this context, as well as the chapter, that the writer of Hebrews is not talking about loss of the deliverance from hell to heaven, but loss of the blessings of sanctification and rewards, and the loss of “saving of the life” in vs 39. I think a better translation of Habakuk 2:3,4 is “The Righteous by faith shall (potentially) live.” It is the same deliverance Paul taught in Romans, which is, from temporal (i.e. non-eternal) wrath for Jew and Gentile believers which deliverance is obtained not by walking by the power of indwelling sin, but by walking in the Spirit (Rom 8). I think under the law there was provision for high-handed or willful sin, but now there is no longer a need for that provision. The person who sins this way needs to repent, and stop that particular sin with the resources now available to the believer. – Don

  34. Robin Boom says

    I have a completely different take on the whole book of Hebrews. It was written by an unknown author, specifically for Jews, with much reference to Old Testament patriarchs. It was also one of the more controversial books to be selected by the Roman Catholic church to be included as scripture. There is some weird stuff in it about angels. Melchizedek, Sabbath etc. Insinuations that Melchizedek was on the same level as Jesus (Hebrews 7:3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever’).
    There is just some things in this book which grate against my Spirit and I question their validity as being ‘God’s Word’. Hebrews 10:26 is one such verse as its out of sync with other scriptures except of course other verses in Hebrews like 6:4-6 about crucifying the Son of God all over again. So who wrote the book of Hebrews? We don’t know. Why was it included in the New Testament? Because the majority of Catholic bishops in the 4th century thought it worthy of be canonical.
    The book of Hebrews is however one of the ‘antilegomena’ (disputed) books making up the bible. Inspired? Probably. Infallible? Unlikely. But I have no doubt it was written by a Jewish believer from the 1st or 2nd century who was writing to other Jewish believers.

    I know this will upset the legalists who have posted here, but I think God (I use this English word which comes from the German word Gott – rather than Yahweh since I am writing to English readers as opposed to Israelis) is not going to damn any believer who knowingly sins and later regrets doing so and repents (changes their mind/heart).

  35. Yuri Wijting says

    Jeremy, Not sure who the “many people” are that you refer to. But I think it’s also important to look at translation issues. One translation has “deliberately KEEP ON sinning.” Also context here might be helpful, and it appears that in these famous apostasy sections of Hebrews it is addressed to people consideingr returning to Judaism as a way of being right with God. That’s how the letter of Hebrews comes across.

    • Jeremy Myers says

      Yes, you are absolutely right about the warning passages in Hebrews and why the author included them. The Christians were formerly Jewish, and were now facing persecution for converting to Chrsitianity, and were considering returning to it. The author of Hebrews says, “No! Don’t do it”

      The question then becomes, “What does the author of Hebrews think will happen to these Hebrew Christians if they do return to Judaism?”

  36. Yuri Wijting says

    Jeremy, I don’t know but I assume the author of Hebrews anticipates a hardening process. Something like the deserters saying, “I’m a child of Abraham. I follow the law. Why do I need Christ?” These deserters were probably pursuaded that their Jewish identity was enough and all this emphasis on Jesus was really only for those outsiders, namely gentiles. I think we won’t fully know how extremely novel Jesus was for them. And I don’t think we’ll know what’s it like to have let go of an identity that is so integral to our being that to give it a diminished role would be like Americans saying the Constitiution isn’t really that important and hardly what makes you an American.

  37. Kelli says

    Hello all. I am in need of some advice. I struggle with scrupulosity (religious OCD) and am plagued with anxiety every single day. It is always centered around being unforgivable and condemned. It always has to do with a certain scary Bible verse or theme and for the past couple of days it has been these verses in Hebrews. I’ve worried about these before, but it comes and goes as I will probably remember something more worrisome in a few days to feel anxious about. I have been trying to find God through different approach over the past few months, and have learned more about Him than I have with all my fruitless efforts over years past. I came to knowledge in Christ when I was still a child, and rebelled as a teen, committing willful sins and telling myself I would just ask forgiveness later. Even today I struggle with impulsive sinning, like gossip for instance. I will blurt something out and only half way through saying it I will realize what I am doing and will finish my sentence anyway. I feel intense guilt afterwards to, and always tell myself just to keep my mouth shut, but it never works. I struggle with this almost daily. Reading the responses on this article has filled me with so much fear, and it feels so contrary to what I feel God has revealed about Himself to me. I felt so horrid and condemned I had lost my appetite and I could only sob relentlessly. I guess what I’m ultimately asking is this: what advice would you give to someone like me? Is there ever a point where you could tell someone they are condemned and behind hope? Just to wait out their days here on earth before going to Hell?

    • Sam Riviera says

      Kelli, You’ve convinced me that you do struggle with religious OCD. Listen to what God has revealed to you. Read about Jesus and his life in the Bible. Jesus loves you, this we know, for the Bible tells us so. If you have come to Jesus, believed in him and followed him, you are not condemned. You are loved. Jesus is very fond of you. You are not beyond hope. No way. You are loved. Rest in Jesus and ignore those troubling comments. I usually comment on Jeremy’s posts, but when I saw the direction those comments were going, I refrained lest I say some unkind things to some of those who were unkind, unloving and so certain they were right and others were wrong. Some people love to argue, and never consider the impact on real people of some of the things they say. Such arguments are not profitable, for them or others. Believe what God reveals to you about himself. Do not listen to everything people say or you will be hopelessly confused.

    • says


      I agree with what Sam has said. I am also sorry that some of the comments on this post have filled you with fear. I have left comments open so that they will provide hope and healing to people who have similar fears as you.

      Know this: I do not think there is ever a time where anybody should ever say that a particular person is beyond hope in this life.

      As long as there is breath in a person’s body, there is hope.

      Furthermore, know that gossip is nowhere near a sin so grievous as to put you beyond hope.

      I would highly recommend seeing someone who can help you with your OCD, and more than anything, I would recommend that (if possible) you turn your OCD toward a constant reminder that you are loved and forgiven. Memorize John 3:16 and 1 John 4:18 and every time the OCD pops negative ideas into your head, use the ability of OCD to quote the positive promises of God from those two texts (and similar ones).

      In this way, you might be able to re-train your brain to remember that you are loved beyond measure, and forgiven beyond limit.

  38. Kelli says

    Thank you both for replying to me, and so quickly, too. Anytime I open the Bible I read condemnation into it, no matter where I read from. Ive been worried about the story of Esau, as well. He seemed to be sadly beyond hope. It even says God hated him. My hope is that it is a process of hardening oneself to the things of God and not some single act of sin or even a struggle with sin. My father was very abusive and demanding of me as a child, I walked on eggshells around him, and found myself in trouble a lot, many times in a huge amount of trouble for something small. Or something he had imagined I had done. I’m trying not to relate that image to God as well, which is hard. what I found a really great website that only talks about Gods love and forgiveness, and it helped me to come out of a very dark place I was in a few months ago.

    • Kelli says

      Jesus reserved his harshest words for the Pharisees. I am trying to understand where previous commentators are coming from, and I sort of can, but the way it is worded just comes off very harsh. How exactly does one submit completely to God? Is it just a matter of identifying every single sin one does each day and committing to not doing it? Reference has been made to ‘it is God that does it, not me’ how do you reach that point ? Because I’ve fallen prey to the former,hopelessly trying to live each day without committing a single sin, but to someone who believes (probably close to almost literally) everything is sin, what does that leave me? A lot of what I do in a single day can be tied back to selfish motives, pride, envy, etc. I work in a clothing store, rather large. When people come in and shop, they end up leaving things without hanging them up. Other workers or even shoppers will come through and just hang them on any hanger, regardless of if it is the correct size. I feel guilty about this, because many times I have shoppers come to me and complain they they thought this shirt was a medium but it is a small on a medium hanger. This I feel is deceiving people, which is a sin. Technically I could spend my work days checking each and every shirt and hanger, making them match, should I do this? I have other things to do as well. Bringing out new clothes, helping shoppers, cleaning, etc. This is how I’ve dealt with my sin in the past. I used to check each hanger and clothing item, and I would get a small area done in five hours. It’s awful and riddled with anxiety.

      • Sam Riviera says

        Kelli, this is my personal opinion, but unless you are personally hanging clothes on the wrong hangers with the intention of deceiving people to cause problems for the store so they will lose customers or something like that, I don’t see that this is a sin. I’ve also worked in a couple of clothing stores. It was almost impossible to keep everything exactly where it should be. Customers are constantly putting things back in the wrong place after they look at them.

        Part of this is also how we define sin. That’s a big topic of discussion for some, but many think we sin every day. Jesus has taken care of that. Trust in Him. Try to show His love to others. Maybe you are one of those people who instead of looking into the mirror every moment looking for every tiny flaw would do better looking at Jesus and see yourself in Him, how He loves you. I like “Fear not, for behold. I bring you tidings of great joy. For unto you is born this day….” If you have found Him who was born that day and has been born in you, fear not. Google “fear not for” and you will find many “fear not” verses. Jesus came not to bring fear to you, but peace in Him. May you find peace and joy in Him.

        • Kelli says

          That would be sin of omission though, right? Everyday is filled with numerous counts of sins like that for me. It’s simply awful and overwhelming.

          • Kelli says

            Oh never mind, I looked up definition and it doesn’t fit that at all. Thank you for all your replies.

    • Sam Riviera says

      Blessings to you Kelli. You may have identified the source of your feelings about God in what you learned from your father. I have known people who think they have to walk on eggshells around God, like He is looking for every small thing that we do wrong. If God was like that, we’d all be in big trouble. Instead of sending His Son to show us who He really is, surely He would have wiped us from the face of he earth long ago. But he didn’t. He came in love to show us He loves us. He is not who your father was. Find peace and love in Jesus. He has forgiven you. He loves you. Memorize the verses Jeremy gave you. There are many other verses that also provide assurance. Remain in Jesus and trust in Him and His great love.

  39. Kelli says

    I have read on other websites where people will tell other people like me to simply ‘pray and hope God will decide to have mercy on you’ that’s all I have ?! Just hoping God MIGHT decide to have mercy on me?! How awful is that? But it is explained in that, God didnt have to offer a way out for anyone so we are just lucky He offered a way for some, and we should be thankful for the time we have on Earth before eternity in Hell, because we don’t even deserve that. And that it is just unfortunate that some people squandered their only chance, and only have hell to look forward to. And the scary thing is, that it is true that God didn’t have to give a chance to anyone, so it all seems to make sense. Ugh.

    • Kelli says

      Also someone has likened running out of chances/willful sin to those in Noah’s time, where they were warned, yet chose not to believe him, and weren’t allowed into the ark when the floods came, even though they cried out and begged. Sorry for all the comments, this is how my mind works, I guess.

    • Sam Riviera says

      Maybe you need to stay away from religious blogs. You can find just about anything. If I believed everything everyone says on those blogs and websites, I’d be hopelessly confused. Jesus work is completed. He did what he did. “It is finished.” Trust in Him and what He said. Don’t believe any of us. Believe Him and what He said and says. I don’t believe that anyone has squandered their only chance unless they are already dead. From our perspective maybe God didn’t have to do anything. But He did. You might say the necessity to do what He did is part of who He is. Remember “It is finished.” Jesus’ mission is accomplished. If you trust in Him may you find permanent, lasting peace in Him.

      • Kelli says

        Another question has been burning in my mind for the past few hours, in the verses after the one mentioned in this article in Hebrews, it talks about Esau seeking repentance and not being able to find it though he sought it with tears. Could this maybe be a metaphor for salvation?

        • Kelli says

          Hebrews 12:15-17King James Version (KJV)

          15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

          16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

          17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

          • DavidnFran says

            Kelli, the people that have committed the unpardonable sin are in such deception that they never agonize about how they are doing with God. They think that are doing fine.Your concerns tell me that you care deeply about pleasing Him, and that you are not complacent. That is good! It just takes time to enter into the land of peace, and rest. We walk in His light, never turning back, repenting of all sin that is exposed, trusting that He forgives us, and that He cleanses us of that sin. He does it! Staying in His light, repenting, and trusting is our part. He does the rest. Condemnation leaves forever when we live in covenant with the Godhead in this manner. But we must continue after Them through trials! They will lead you! Don’t ever give up!

        • Sam Riviera says

          Since Jeremy is the theological expert and this is his blog, maybe he would like to answer this one.

          • says

            This is to davidnfran hay David you might have brought this up in a previous post I haven’t read, but i did read quit a bit about your previous comments and replies at the beginning of this blog, so I was just wondering in light of what hebrews 6 and 10 say how would you enterprite passages like romans 8 verses 28 thrue 39 what point could paul have been trying to make in saying thoughs amazing things in romans chapter 8 verses 28 thrue 39 in light of hebrews 6 and 10, Pauls says that god foreknew and also predestined thoughs whom he called to be conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the first born among many brothers and then he goes on saying that neither death nor life nor angels nor rulers nor things present nor things to come nor powers nor hight nor death can ever separate us from the love of god in christ jesus so how would i inturprate that in light of that warning in hebrews 6 and 10,

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