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Wake-up Call for Bill Hybels

By Jeremy Myers
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Wake-up Call for Bill Hybels

Bill HybelsI visited Bill Hybels’ Willow Creek Church while I was living in Chicago in the late 90’s. And while it is always dangerous and unwise to criticize a ministry you have little firsthand knowledge about, I remember thinking, “This is fantastic for the unchurched…but what are they doing for the believers?”

I asked this to one of the church leaders, and he told me the church had Saturday and Wednesday night services for the maturing believers, as well as small groups, and leadership training tracks.

At the time, I felt this was satisfactory.

But guess what? Bill Hybels now says that it isn’t working.

EDIT (2011): When I originally wrote this post, I had a video from Bill Hybels. That video has now been pulled off the internet because Bill Hybels said he was misunderstood. Maybe he was… Either way, here is a video from one of his staff members from about the same time:

Bill Hybels and Willow Creek published a book about their findings, and you can read all about it in Reveal.

I have great respect for Bill Hybels for admitting (thirty years into ministry!) that what he and Willow Creek have been doing is not working. I truly hope that they can make the necessary changes.

The lesson for the rest of us is to make sure we are learning from this. How are we doing in training our people to feed on the Word for themselves? How are we doing in helping people learn to follow Jesus? How many of the people in our church are trained well enough, that they themselves could train others also (2 Tim 2:2)?

If you have aย website or a blog which shows how your church (or a church you know) is teaching and training believers to be fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ, please post these links in the comments section below.

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: Bill Hybels, church growth, Church planting, Discipleship

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No More Mix and Match Church

By Jeremy Myers
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No More Mix and Match Church

NOTE: This is an OLD post from 2007, and I no longer agree with everything I have written about church below. To learn my more recent views, read some of my newer posts on the church, or my books on church. Better yet, sign up to take my free online course on the church.

Fast Food ChurchesIย like fast food, but not always from the same place.ย Iย like the hamburgers from Wendy’s, the french fries from Burger King, and a soda from the convenience store ($0.59 for 32 oz!). Occasionally, when I have the time, I will actually eat my lunch this way, driving around to each location to get what I want.

It gets even worse when I’m with my wife and daughters. Wendy won’t eat fast food at all, unless it’s a Deli fresh sandwich and Jamochaย shake from Arby’s. Taylor will only eat cheeseburgers from McDonalds. Selah won’t eat fast food at all, and so we have to bring apples and a PBJ for her. We can’t figure out what Kahlea eats.

Needless to say, with such a mix-and-match menu, we don’t do fast food very often.

But this is how many people “attend church.” They go to one church for the awesome music and great children’s program. But the pastor’s preaching there is usually too shallow, so they get their sermons online fromย  John MacArthur, Mark Driscoll, or Rob Bell. The church they attend has small groups, but most are too far away, so they get fellowship on Friday night by going out to dinner with a few friends, most of whom go to different churches. Some of these friends don’t go to church at all, in which case, it’s not “fellowship” but “relationship evangelism.”

Though many churches today try to provide “one stop shopping” most Christians engage Christianity with a “mix and match” mentality.

Church Shopping

I have been guilty of this myself quite frequently the past few years, but recently, I have begun to question the legitimacy of it. I have justified such church venue as trying to get the “best of everything” from wherever I can find it. “Besides,” I tell myself, “I’m part of the universal church, and it doesn’t matter where I get the things I need to be healthy, as long as I get them from somewhere.”

But is this true?

In a previous post, I proposed a definition for what the church is and does.ย Afterย reflection, I thinkย this definition needs some refinement.

Not only mustย Christians exalt God through a life of worship,ย edify one another through the use of spiritual gifts, and evangelize the world, I now also believe that all of these things must be done together with the same group of believers.

Body of Christ

I get this from Paul’s frequent usage of “body” imagery when talking about the church (cf. Eph 4:11-16; 1 Cor 12). The emphasis in these passages is not only that the various parts have various functions, but that each part must performย it’s particularย function with and for the other parts that it receives benefits from.

The body of Christ is a symbiotic relationship. If you have the gift of helps, the person(s) you get your primary Bible teaching from should also be the person(s) you are trying to help (in big churches, you may not actually be helping the teaching pastor, but you can help him indirectly through doing things in the church and for the people of the church). The group you meet with for encouragement and prayer should be the group that goes out with you to develop relationships for evangelism and discipleship. Only in this way can they encourage and pray for you more effectively.

Body of Christ the ChurchFollowing the imagery of the body, the people whose spiritual gifts you are spiritually benefiting from, should be the same people who benefit from your spiritual gifts. Otherwise, we’ve got a foot taking nourishment from a mouth and cleaning from a hand, but not helping either one walk where they need to go.ย It’sย a selfish and disjointed way to function.

Does this mean you can’t get good Bible teaching from Alistair Begg or Matt Chandler unless you go their church? Of course not. Just don’t consider that your church teaching. Does this mean you can’t reach out to the community with people from other congregations? I hope you do partner in this way with other churches! But don’t consider this your evangelism unless you are also joining with people from your own body of believers.

I am not trying to be legalistic about all this. I just want you and your church body to be healthy. Besides, you’ll findย this approachย much more enjoyable and natural than driving all over to get a full meal.

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: be the church, Church planting, Discipleship, Theology of the Church, what is church

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I visited a Church in a Bar

By Jeremy Myers
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I visited a Church in a Bar

Church in a barMy friend Kyle wants to plant a church called โ€œSt. Peteโ€™s Church Bar and Grill.โ€ It would be rather convenient for communion since the wine is close by, and you wouldnโ€™t have guys getting antsy to go home for the football game. They can watch the game right from their padded bar-stools in church.

Kyle isnโ€™t joking about this…

Church in a Bar

Bar ChurchThe cool thing is that I am already aware of some churches around the country doing something similar. I wrote a while back about the group in Montana called “Dirtbags” that meets in a bar, and I have also read about I heard about Vince Antonucci and his church in a bar in Virginia Beach. Then there is “Church in a Bar” in Rome, GA, and a few others around the country (If you know of one, leave a link to it in the comments below).

So I decided to see if there was one in the Dallas metroplex. I did a little searching, and found one with the Narrow Trail Church, which meets outside in the beer garden of a local restaurant, and decided to go visit. It turns out that this was not just a church in a bar, but was also a cowboy church.

Having previously pastored in Montana, I immediately felt at home when I walked in since most of the people were wearing cowboy hats, boots, wranglers, and big belt buckles. One bearded, heavily tattooed guy drove up on his Harley.

Breakfast in a Bar Church

I showed up at 9 am for their free breakfast and sat by a young couple who hadnโ€™t been in church for three or four years but decided to check out the church that meets in a bar because โ€œItโ€™s not churchy.โ€ Looking around, I knew what they meant. Where else can you attend church with one hundred neon beer signs and only one cross? However, as I was later reminded, “One cross is all you need.”

bar churchAs I ate, I had a dozen or so people come up and welcome me. I was back in an area of the beer garden that was hard to reach, so one guy got up and just walked across the top of the tables so he could come greet me. Thatโ€™s another thing you wonโ€™t see in the average churchโ€”people walking on the pews just to go greet a visitor. Since this church meets outside, I asked what they do in bad weather, and the guy proudly informed me that “rain or snow this is where they meet.” This is, after all, a cowboy church, and they are โ€œtough as nails.โ€ Part of the beer garden was covered, and so my guess is that when bad weather comes, they just gather under the covered area.

The Church Service in a Bar

The beginning of the service did not begin with a โ€œWelcomeโ€ but we did have a โ€œHowdy.โ€ They had a few announcements and then the musician sang. The music was country western, and the songs werenโ€™t really they type that people sang along to. It was more like you were in a bar listening to the house band. Considering the crowd that was there, I think this was a good idea since most of the people didnโ€™t appear to be the singing type. This isnโ€™t an insult; itโ€™s just that some people donโ€™t feel comfortable singing.

Church in a BarI did notice that when the music leader got up to sing, he had a Starbucks coffee in one hand. If you read the post on myย Emergent Immersion, you will know why this is funny to me. It seems like all singers, songwriters, and artists drink Starbucks. I half expected him to pull out an iPhone.

Of course, he probably drank Starbucks becuase the free coffee was pretty bad. I met the guy who proudly told me he made the coffee, but then confessed he can’t stand to drink coffee. (Note to all churches: The person who volunteers to make the coffee should be somone who actually drinks coffee). So anyway, Starbucks and all, theย songs were good quality, and since I like country music, found myself tapping my foot along to the music. I guess the musician has some CDs out, but I can’t remember his name…

The Sermon in a Bar

After the music, the pastor got up to preach. I had met him when I first walked into the beer garden, and he introduced himself at John Myers. I donโ€™t think there is any relation to me. But he did graduate from Dallas Theological Seminary, so I guess Iโ€™m on the right track. Speaking of tracks, as soon as he got up to preach, we heard a train whistle off in the distance. He said, โ€œWell, I guess Iโ€™ll wait for the train.โ€

It didnโ€™t take me long to find out what he meant. About thirty seconds later, the train came rumbling by not twenty feet from where we were seated, blowing its whistle and drowning out anything the pastor could have been saying. Not many pastors have to deal with trains coming through their church before they preach, but everybody took it in stride.

Once the train was gone, the pastor taught for about thirty minutes from John 15. His sermon was not full of Christian lingo and theological jargon, but was clear, simple, and down to earth. He peppered his sermon with cowboy terms like โ€œget โ€˜er done,โ€ โ€œhave at it,โ€ and โ€œainโ€™t.โ€ He even used a word in his sermon which would offend the gentler ears of most Christians, but which seemed right at home with this group.

When he was done, they closed out the service with a few more songs and then a rousing rendition of โ€œHappy Trails to You.โ€ On my way out, one man stopped me and asked if I would like to start teaching Sunday School next week. He either didnโ€™t know I was a visitor, or wasnโ€™t serious. I hope it was the latter because itโ€™s probably not a good idea to ask visitors to teach Sunday School.

All in all, I really enjoyed this church and felt more at home than I have in aย while. I felt welcome and I was instructed and challenged by the teaching of the Word.ย May churches like this flourish across America where the theology is conservative and the preaching is strong, but the church is flexible enough to meet the people where they are at.

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: church in a bar, Church planting, Discipleship, evangelism

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A Vision for the Future

By Jeremy Myers
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A Vision for the Future

Vision

We in the Free Grace camp need to think BIG about the future. I am not sure if I mentioned in my post about the Acts 29 conference I went to, but my biggest ache on thatย day was that all these men were going out to plant churches, and they were all Lordship/Calvinistic.

Inย my post on Emergent Immersion, Don Reiher made the following comment which I thought was so good, I would postย it here:

Vision for the Future

To be perfectly honest, I cannot stand any of the churches in the area. In the Philadelphia area, there are really no good churches. ALL and I mean ALL the โ€œgoodโ€ mild lordship Bible believing Baptist churches have gone totally reformed over the last 30 years (yes I was born and raised here). There are a few mild lordship Bible churches, but the vast majority are hardline lordship. Then there are the KJV only, legalistic kind of churches.

I go to one of the โ€œmildโ€ lordship ones (75% of the elders are lordship, the pastor says he is free grace, but still makes me wonder). The music is horrible. I cannot blame people for going to โ€œemergentโ€ churches.

BTW. . . I recently read several books from Dan Kimball on Emergent issues, Emerging Worship, and The Emerging Church. I think his material is much better than McLarenโ€™s.

My point, is, my heart aches for the 20s/30s today. When I was that age, there were still some decent churches around. I learned so much doctrine in church, that when I went to Moody in 1979, I already had read most of the books for my classes. It was simply building on what I already knew. Nowadays, I think people are hungry, and will take whatever scraps of food people like Piper throw at them.

People seem to think that you have to throw away all the teaching of the great men of the last century because it doesnโ€™t match with the Westminster Confession. They think they are going back to their roots, by going back to the Reformation, rather than going back to the Bible.

I think we in the Free Grace movement should start putting together some of these big mega-conferences and provide some good worship bands, and dish out a good diet of sound teaching, from a free grace perspective. We need to provide an example of what God is like, and what missions are like, from a NON-Calvinistic, Non-Reformed perspective. In my opinion, their perspective of God is puny compared to what God is really like. Their perspective of the Gospel and missions is a massive confusion, dried up and withered, compared to the clear, fresh streams of water the more Free Grace type folks can provide for them.

I donโ€™t think we could get 20,000 college people, but I bet we could get several thousand. More importantly, I think God would honor it. We in the Free Grace camp need to think big, and think โ€œnext generation.

I agree with this 100%. Thank you Don!


God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Church planting, Discipleship, future, vision

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Iโ€™m an Idiot, by the Grace of God

By Jeremy Myers
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Iโ€™m an Idiot, by the Grace of God

Church PlantersI went to a church planting event today [2015 note: This was written on June 26, 2007] sponsored by the Acts 29 Network. It was attended by 200 or so young men who want to plant churches around the county.

I came dressed in wrinkled Dockers and an untucked collared shirt. I was the best dressed person there. It seems the dress code requirement for future church planters of America is sandals, khaki shorts, wrinkled t-shirt, and a baseball hat, with a tall Starbucks in one hand, and an iPod in the other (soon to be replaced by the popular iPhone).

Old Guys and Church Planting

Also, looking around, I think I was the second oldest person there. There was one guy older than me. He had gray hair. Also, incidentally, he was better dressed than me. His shirt was long-sleeved, and tucked in. After registering, I noticed him up on the stage. The young guy next to me, who looked like he just rolled out of bed, was talking with another young guy (who was barefoot!), and said, โ€œWhoโ€™s the old guy on the stage?โ€

I smiled, because I knew who it was. It was Aubrey Malphurs, the speaker for this church planting event. He is one of my professors at Dallas Theological Seminary, and his books are some of the best that are available on church leadership and planting. His book, Doing Church, should be read by every Christian, whether they pastor a church or not.

But I thought it was interesting, especially as Malphurs took the stage, and ran into some technology problems, to watch some of the young punk pastors around me, sit back in their chairs, fold their arms, and basically shut off. You can almost hear their thoughts: โ€œWhat can this old guy tell me about church planting? He canโ€™t even work his microphone, or keep his Powerpoint on track with where he is in the notes. Weโ€™re a different generation, man. Iโ€™d leave now, but I want to stay for the free lunch.โ€ The guy in front of me even pulled out a book and started reading.

Sure, Malphurs made some โ€œmistakesโ€ in talking to this younger generation. He began right off by apologizing for having bronchitis. This immediately cemented in our minds the stereotypical โ€œold guyโ€ who spends half his time talking about all his aches and pains. After this, he launched into a commercial for three of his books. He held the books up, and gave a brief summary of each one, and how we could purchase them at the book table.

For the young pastors in the group, this smacked of self-promotion, and Malphurs seemed to sense this, because when he was done, he said, โ€œWell, enough of selling my own books.โ€ The guy behind me whispered under his breath, โ€œAmen.โ€ I rolled my eyes at himโ€ฆbut since he was looking at the back of my head, he didnโ€™t see me do it. I am very brave.

Church Planting Fools

This is when it dawned on me. Weโ€™re a bunch of arrogant fools.

Iโ€™m including myself in this, more so than the others.

They may have been critical of Malphurs without knowing much of anything about him, but I was being critical of all of these pastors for being critical of him, and I donโ€™t know anything about any of these guys.

Most of them, probably, had time in the Word with God this morning, and I didnโ€™t.

Most of them probably shared Christ with someone at Starbucks this morning, while I just glared at the guy in front of me at the Seven Eleven for asking stupid questions about AAA batteries to the Muslim man behind the counter who clearly knew nothing about batteries.

And the young barefoot pastor? Well, those of you who know me know I hate shoes. I wish I had thought to come barefoot.

Regarding Malphurs and his books, the truth is that we were all just jealous of his many books. I know I am.

The truth is that us young bucks can learn a lot from the older generation, but at the same time, many of the older generation need to be more like Aubrey Malphurs. He is a student of culture, an expert on the church, and knows the difference between the Biblical theology of the church, and the historical tradition of church. He knows that most of what passes for โ€œchurchโ€ in Christianity, is far from what the church is meant to be. He knows that most of what is โ€œsacredโ€ in churches today needs to be tossed into the trash.

Church Planting Critics

And most of all, each and every one of us, myself more than others, needs to be less critical of one another. To our own master we stand or fall. If Iโ€™m going to criticize someone, I need to criticize me. Take the plank out of my own eye, and all of that. Each of us must remember what we learned in kindergarten, that when I point the finger at someone else, there are three fingers pointed back at me. The best thing we can remember when we criticize someone else is, โ€œWeโ€™re all idiots. And if I feel Iโ€™m better than all of them, it is only because by the grace of God, I am chief among them.โ€

God is Redeeming Church, Redeeming Life Bible & Theology Topics: Acts 29, church, Church planting, Discipleship, grace, pastor, Theology of the Church

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