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Descriptions of a Violent God are Inspired and Inerrant

By Jeremy Myers
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Descriptions of a Violent God are Inspired and Inerrant

You may have noticed that I did not get a post out yesterday. Why? Because I am struggling with how to present my view about the violence of God in the Old Testament in a way that makes sense and in a way that does not get me branded as a heretic.

So far, I have only briefly shared this view with two people (my wife Wendy, and Steve Dehner), and the response of both was something like this:

Raised Eyebrow

Then there are all of your fantastic comments and emails which have raised other great questions and points which I need to consider…

Sooooooooo…. I am going to approach a presentation of my theory through the back door.

So far, I have presented most of the major theories about how to understand the Violence of God in the Old Testament, and rather than just blurt out why my view is, I am going to lead you through the theological and Scriptural reasoning that I went through to get to my view. In doing this, you will see my own thought pattern, and will also see how I arrived at my proposed theory.

The drawback to this approach is that traveling down this road will take 4-8 posts.

One benefit, however, is that some of you may figure out the view on your own before I ever present it here on this blog (No telling, Steve!). That should be somewhat satisfying for some of you…

So, let’s jump in.

Inspired and Inerrant Scripture

As seen in the previous posts (which you can find listed at the bottom of this post), one common approach to explaining the violence of God in the Old Testament is to deny or modify one of the central and historic convictions of conservative Christianity: that the Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God. Some views say that the Bible is full of errors and exaggerations so that the things it describes didn’t really happen, while other views hold that the violent events might have happened as described but God did not command them to do it nor did He inspire the biblical authors to write about these events as they did.

I am extremely uncomfortable with all such approaches to the problem of divine violence.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

Sometimes Death is Merciful

By Jeremy Myers
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Sometimes Death is Merciful

In this series of proposals for how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament, there is one final view which may possibly be true, even if it is nearly impossible to believe.

This view is that although the portrayals of divine violence in Scripture appear to be harsh and cruel, they are in fact just and merciful. Though initially this view seems to be similar to the first view, that God is God and so can do anything He wants, this view is different enough that it deserves mentioning.

Essentially, this view takes quite seriously the portions of Scripture which portray some groups of humans as having become “only evil continually” (cf. Gen 6:5). In modern Western civilization, we often have very little concept of how cruel people can truly become. Believe it or not, our laws and our governments do a pretty good job of restricting wickedness and keeping evil people off of the streets and out of our neighborhoods. But this has not always been true of all countries throughout time, nor is it true for all areas of our globe even now.

Kony LRAImagine a society where every person aspires to be like Joseph Kony of the Lord’s Resistance Army. It is estimated that Kony has abducted over 30,000 young boys into his army, and many stories report that to prepare these boys for the life they will lead in his army, one of the things Kony forces these young boys to do as “initiation” into his army is to have them brutally murder their own family members. Needless to say, with a beginning like this, the young boys often grow up to be thieves, rapists, and murderers of the worst kind. The United Nations has estimates that over 200,000 young girls and women have been raped in Congo during the past 15 years by members of the LRA.

Now, imagine a whole city filled with men like Joseph Kony. Since childbirth, each person in this city had been trained that the only way to survive was to be crueler than everybody else. That the only way to live for another day was to offer your daughters up to be raped by the warlords and your sons to be conscripted into their horrific army. If you ever refused, your daughters would be raped while you watched and your sons killed, before you yourself were tortured in the worst ways imaginable.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

The Blog Post in Which I Ask for Money

By Jeremy Myers
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The Blog Post in Which I Ask for Money

I have been noticing an increasing number of blogs make requests for money on their sites.

The blog owner says something about how they are doing a design update, or transferring all their posts and podcasts from one blog to another, and it is going to cost them $30,000 (Yes, I saw one blogger state that his new blog was going to cost this much!), and so if you have appreciated all the free posts and free podcasts which the readers have read over the years, would you please consider making a donation of any amount to help defray the costs of the blog.

show me the money

Show Me the Money!

I decided this was such a good idea, I am going to write a blog post asking you, the reader, for money. If you want to make a donation, here is the Paypal button:

 

Oh, you don’t see a Paypal button?

That’s because there isn’t one!

I hope you know I was kidding…

I mean, I was kidding about asking for money for this blog… I was not kidding that other bloggers are asking for money for their blog. I just don’t understand it…

Let Me Bless You With Your Money

Nevertheless, I am going to ask you for money… but not for me. For you. I want to bless you with your own money. 

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

It’s Funny Because It’s True…Which I Guess Makes it Sad

By Jeremy Myers
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It’s Funny Because It’s True…Which I Guess Makes it Sad

Lark News is my favorite source of fake Christian news. Why would I waste my time reading fake Christian news? Well, for one, because it makes me laugh, but also because the stories are so close to what really happens in Christianity.

Sometimes we need satire to point out the sad reality of what is really going on in our lives, or in this case, our churches.

Here are some of the recent headlines from Lark News. All the stories are fake, but if you didn’t know that, you could almost believe they were true… Sad, but true. Click on the title of each article to read the whole article.

Church sends clown and puppet teams to war-torn Africa

Puppet Show in Africa

KENEMA, Sierra Leone — A short-term missions team from South Coast Community Church in New Orleans, La., arrived in this country racked by three decades of civil war, and began serving the ravaged people through the ministries of clowning and puppetry.

The team’s first performance was in Makeni, a city in the north where a third of the population has been brutally slaughtered in factional fighting, and those people who remain have no reliable source of food or water.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

Bible Violence is Exaggerated

By Jeremy Myers
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Bible Violence is Exaggerated

Kill CanaanitesAs we work our way through some of the theories about how God can condone and command violence in the Bible, we come to a view which basically states that the violence is exaggerated.

The basic premise is that we misread the Bible when we think that the Israelites actually killed all the Canaanites (or whatever people group is in view). Sometimes the Bible is exaggerating in the number of people that were killed while other times the Bible says that all the people were killed when in fact they were not.

Then there are those cases where the terminology for “destruction” need not refer to death, but could refer to something else, such as being forced to leave the land or make the decision to join forces with the Israelites.

In other words, this position has several elements and perspectives, depending on which book you read or which scholar you listen to, but the main elements of this theory are described below (Note: Many hold various versions of this view, but you can read one summary of it on the Eternity Bible College blog).

Others Could Join Israel

First, God’s ultimate goal was for the conquered people to repent of their sin, see that God was worthy of worship and obedience, and join with Israel in following Him. Examples of this are found in some of the Egyptian people who joined with Israel at the Exodus (Exod 12:38), Rahab siding with the Israelite spies against her own people and then becoming one of the Israelites after their conquest of Jericho (Josh 6:22-23), and the Gibeonites choosing to be servants of Israel rather than face annihilation (Josh 9:9).

The Canaanites were Driven Out

Secondly, when people did not side with God in this way, God did not actually command the Israelites to kill and slaughter those that remained, but to “drive them out” of the land, that is, to force them to leave the land of Canaan and go elsewhere (cf. Num 21:32; Deut 9:1; 11:23; 18:14; 19:1; 23:27-30; etc.).

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

Divine Accommodation to Violence

By Jeremy Myers
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Divine Accommodation to Violence

Violence in the BibleEver wonder how God can command such violence in the Old Testament, but Jesus commands only love and mercy?

One view that is prominent among biblical scholars is that although God used war, He didn’t like it.

As seen in Jesus Christ, God hates war. But He uses it in human history for two purposes: to accomplish His will through messy human methods, and to reveal the horror of life apart from Him. God used war to bare evil to the bone, to unmask the myth of redemptive violence, to show that bloodshed results only in more bloodshed.

Divine Accommodation in War

Those who hold this view argue that the violent portrayals of God in the Old Testament reveal God’s divine accommodation to human sinfulness and evil. God, knowing that sin will be involved no matter how He uses humans in this world, gives the commands for Israel to perform the violence in a way which reveals to them and to the rest of the world how wicked and evil sin really is.

God wants to expose the wickedness of sin in all its ugliness, and so chooses Israel to bear the curse of sin for the world in all its blackness and horror.

As with many of the other positions mentioned previously, there is much to commend this view. It is absolutely true that violence only leads to more violence. Murder, bloodshed, and war, however it is justified in the minds of those who commit it, always and only leads to more violence. Jesus said that “he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword” (Matt 26:52) and this truth has been seen over and over throughout history and throughout Scripture. Violence does not lead to peace, but only to further violence.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

The Kingdom of God vs. The Kingdom of God

By Jeremy Myers
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The Kingdom of God vs. The Kingdom of God

We are working our way through several of the views about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament in light of the love and mercy taught and exemplified by Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

One view is that such an attempt is futile from the start because it is like comparing apples and oranges.

We must not equate what Jesus was trying to accomplish in His life and ministry with what God was trying to accomplish through Israel in the Old Testament. The two events had different goals and different methods, and trying to fit them together is like trying to put a square into a round hole.

Jesus, it is argued, was trying to set up a spiritual kingdom, governed by the rule and reign of God within men’s hearts. In the Old Testament however, God was trying to set up an earthly kingdom, one that had rulers and laws with a system of taxation, government, and military might.

Kingdom of God

The Kingdom of God in Israel

In a world like ours, countries need military might and wartime violence to establish borders, maintain peace and security against invading armies, and protect itself from crime and revolutionaries within its borders. In this view, since Israel was a theocracy, God, as the “Commander in Chief” sent Israel to war against her enemies. He gave the order to kill, destroy, and annihilate those who threatened the earthly government which He installed in Israel.

The Kingdom of God in Jesus

Jesus, on the other hand, came to install a Kingdom that was “not of this world” (John 8:23; 18:36) and therefore, did not need to issue commands for His followers to kill others for their common cause. The Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, and as such, our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the air (Eph 6:10-20).

So just as it would seem to be impossible for any earthly government to exist without a standing military, without violence toward enemies, and without governing rules for order and peace which include death to traitors and some form of capital punishment, so also God had to include such things in the earthly government which He set up in Israel. But Jesus had different goals and different methods, and so He was able to show a way of peace and non-violence toward His enemies, and call His disciples to do the same, for His Kingdom is not of this world.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

What if the Bible is a Myth?

By Jeremy Myers
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What if the Bible is a Myth?

This month’s synchroblog challenges us to ask the question: “What if some or all of the biblical narrative is not necessarily true history, but is myth of one sort or another?” In other words, what if the Bible is a myth?

I have considered a similar question before: What if Jesus Did not Rise? and my answer to whether or not the Bible is myth follows the same logic as in that post.

If the Bible is a Myth, it is a TRUE Myth

I believe that even if the entire Bible is a myth, it would be truer than most historical facts.

Some people say that the Bible is nothing but a myth, but there is no such thing as “nothing” but a myth.

Any good story is far more powerful to change lives and direct history than the most provable scientific or theological fact. This is one reason the Bible is a story rather than a book of theological facts.

If the Bible is a myth, then we have no way of knowing if there is a God, or what happens after death, or how humanity came into being. (Even with the Bible, the answers to those last two questions are anything but certain.) If the Bible is a myth then while a man named Jesus might have lived, he probably certainly was not God, and while he might have died as a criminal on the cross, he most likely did not rise from the dead.

And if all of that could indisputably and unquestionably be verified as historical fiction, if it could be undeniably proven that the Bible is a myth, then you know what I would do? I would shrug my shoulders, and continue living as I have been.

Even if the Bible is a myth, the truth that is contained within the Bible is some of the greatest truth that has ever been put onto paper. Even if the Bible is a myth, the Bible is still true!

Let me put it another way. Would you say that Aesop’s Fables are true?

Well, of course they are true! But they are not “true” in that they did not actually happen in recorded history. In that sense, they are “myths.” They are “fables.” But they are some of the truest fables ever told for they provide insights into human activity, provide guidance on proper living, helping the reader make right choices.

Even if the Bible is a myth, it would function in a similar way.

The Bible is True, but HOW is it True?

The Bible is true, not so much because it is fact (which I believe to be true), but because it does what it claims to do, that is, change lives for the better. If you look at the history of humanity, the cultures and eras where lives have been affected most positively for the good are the cultures and eras where the Bible has been taught and followed.

Oh sure, there is great evil that has been done because of the Bible as well, but that is true of every holy book in existence, so in that regard, the Bible as a myth would be just like is just like any other myth-filled religious literature.

the Bible is a MythBut when it comes to the positive benefits that have come to the world, it is an indisputable fact that great advances in medicine, science, equality, health, art, music, prosperity, longevity, and numerous other positive traits have existed most where the Bible is taught and followed best. And as cultures that have the Scriptures begin to abandon them (as is happening in Western culture), that society begins to degenerate once again toward lawlessness.

If the Bible is a myth, it would be the truest and most helpful myth ever written, and I would still read it, study it, teach it, and try to follow it… especially the parts about Jesus, for He (even if he didn’t really exist) represents the truest way to be human.

Everybody recognizes that Jesus was a great teacher, and lived an exemplary life, even those who do not believe the Scriptures are true. Even atheists say that Jesus was a good man and provides a great example for people to follow. People who hate Christians and despise the church, still love Jesus and what He stood for.

So what would change in my life if it turned out that the Bible is a myth? Nothing!

If the Bible is a myth, would your life change? Mine would not, for even if the Bible is a myth, it would be the truest myth ever written.


This post was part of the April Synchroblog. Here is a list of other contributors. Go check them all out!

  • K.W. Leslie – When People Believe Christianity Is A Myth
  • David Derbyshire – What If Genesis Is A Creation Myth?
  • Bud Brown – What if Paul was wrong about the life of Christ living in me?
  • Chris Jefferies – What If … Creation Was A Myth?
  • Paul W. Meier – Is The Bible A Myth?
  • damannwrite – The Bible As A Source of Wisdom
  • Phil Lancaster – What If the Bible Were A Myth
  • Carol Kuniholm – What If Newness Was The Norm
  • Liz Dyer – Penultimate Truth
  • Glenn Hager – Myths in the Bible? So What?

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible, bible is a myth, synchroblog, Theology of the Bible, truth

Which God Do You Know?

By Jeremy Myers
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Which God Do You Know?

This is a Guest Post from Tyson Phillips. Tyson and his sister Tammy grew up in the Midwest. Tyson and his family now live discreetly on the West Coast, very near a large orchid tree.

If you would like to write a guest post for this blog, check out the guidelines here.

Everybody thinks they know, love, and serve the “right” God. But do they? Which God do you know and serve?

The Angry God

angry godIn those writings most Christians refer to as the Old Testament, we find a God who bears a striking resemblance to the gods of the nations that surrounded ancient Israel. Anger him and you suffered (poor crops, infertility, death at the hand of the enemy, the earth opened and swallowed you). Please him and you were blessed (good crops, many children, victory in battle).

Dare to venture too close to that God and you would be struck dead. Remember the sons of Abinadab who touched the ark when the oxen stumbled (“the Lord almighty, who is enthroned between the chrerubim that are on the ark”), and were struck dead. Remember the Holy of Holies. Only the High Priest may enter, and then only under extremely restricted conditions. Any who violated those restrictions were struck dead.

The God of Love

Is it possible for us to see a God who by his actions said, “You don’t have it quite right. I am not exactly who you think I am. Therefore I will come and walk among you, heal your diseases and teach you who I really am”? The Jesus of the New Testament differs remarkably from the God portrayed in the Old Testament.

God of Love in Jesus Christ

Yet we believe God is unchanging. If that is the case, what must have changed is our understanding of God. Rather than a God who was supposedly behind everything bad that happened (dishing out punishment, judgment or whatever you want to call it), we find the God who loves, the God who freely gives grace and fellowship with himself.

Mixed Messages

We must remember that those who wrote the books of the New Testament had been schooled in the God of the Old Testament. Even those who had walked with Jesus had not forgotten that God. Do not vestiges of that God appear in their writings?

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: guest post, Theology of God

What if the Bible was Fiction?

By Jeremy Myers
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What if the Bible was Fiction?

If you are a blogger, one of the keys to getting more traffic and readers is getting other bloggers to mention you and your blog on their websites. There are numerous ways of doing this, such as commenting on people’s blogs, writing Guest Posts, and joining blogchains and Synchroblogs.

My favorite Synchroblog is found at synchroblog.wordpress.com, and I participate every single month. This month’s topic looks particularly interesting, and I invite all bloggers to join in.

Here are the steps:

  1. Write a post about the topic by April 16th.
  2. Put up a link to your post on the Synchroblog website.
  3. When the link list is published, add it to your post.
  4. Interact with the other writers on their posts.

It’s that simple!

What? You don’t have a blog yet? Yikes! Start one today!

Here is why I am inviting you to participate this month. The topic is…

What if the Bible is a Myth?

Bible FictionHere is the description:

When I was young, I loved to play the ‘what if’ game.  It went like this:  I would imagine an unlikely scenario and present it to my mother to find out what she thought.  Since I had an active imagination, I engaged in this til I drove her to distraction and she would declare, “No more ‘what ifs’!!”  Now that I’m older, I’ve discovered there is a whole group of people who play the ‘what if’ game.  They’re called philosophers!

This month we invite you to play the ‘what if’ game with us.  Try to imagine that some or all of the Bible narrative is not necessarily true history, but is myth of one sort or another.  What sort of effect would that knowledge have on your faith?  What effect might it have on the larger church?  How would it change you?  Would it change you and how you view the world?

We recognize that this might make some or all of you uncomfortable and while we recognize the struggle involved with that sort of discomfort, please feel free to blog about that fact as well.  The ‘what if’ game can involve some prickly feelings and we welcome that as well.

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