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C. S. Lewis Did Not Like Church

By Jeremy Myers
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C. S. Lewis Did Not Like Church

CS Lewis on ChurchI have been trying to read through everything that C. S. Lewis wrote, and in his autobiography, Surprised by Joy, I was surprised to discover what he thought about going to church.

It made me laugh out loud, because it so closely matched my own sentiments.

Here is what he wrote:

The idea of churchmanship was to be wholly unattractive. I was not in the least anticlerical, but I was deeply antiecclesiastical.

…But though I liked clergymen as I liked bears, I had as little wish to be in the Church as in the zoo.

It was, to begin with, a kind of collective; a wearisome “get-together” affair. I couldn’t yet see how a concern of that sort should have anything to do with one’s spiritual life. To me, religion ought to have been a matter of good men praying alone and meeting by twos and threes to talk of spiritual matters.

And then the fussy, time-wasting botheration of it all! The bells, the crowds, the umbrellas, the notices, the bustle, the perpetual arranging and organizing. Hymns were (and are) extremely disagreeable to me. Of all musical instruments I liked (and like) the organ least. I have, too, a sort of spiritual gaucherie which makes me unapt to participate in any rite.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: attending church, Books I'm Reading, C. S. Lewis, church, Discipleship

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The Perfect Bounded Set Illustration – Trust Me – You will Laugh

By Jeremy Myers
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The Perfect Bounded Set Illustration – Trust Me – You will Laugh

Mr Bean Goes to ChurchI have been writing about most churches operate under bounded sets, and how the written and unwritten rules of such churches keep out those who believe and behave differently.

The comments on some of these posts have gotten a little tense, so here is something to lighten the mood.

The perfect illustration of a bounded set is when Mr. Bean Goes to Church, and tries to follow along with the rules, but fails miserably. Enjoy!

Full-length unofficial version (low quality):

Shorter Official Version (High Quality):

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

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Universalism and Centered Sets

By Jeremy Myers
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Universalism and Centered Sets

Bounded vs Centered Set

In the past few posts, I have discussed Bounded Sets vs. Centered Sets, and have stated that I believe that one of the best approaches for churches in our culture and society is a Centered Set approach, where there is no “us vs. them” mentality, or trying to decide who is “in” and who is “out.” Instead, we place Jesus Christ at the center of all humanity, and then view ourselves and others in relation to our proximity to Him, and our movement either toward or away from Him. In this way, everybody is “in.” Everybody belongs. Everybody can get involved.

Some fear that a Centered Set approach leads to Universalism, that all people are “saved.”

Does Centered Set Theology Lead to Universalism?

UniversalismI don’t think a Centered Set approach leads to universalism. To the contrary, I think a Centered-Set approach best reflects biblical theology.

First, when we say that all people are “in” we don’t mean that all people are justified or have eternal life. At least, I don’t mean this.

I believe that on the cross, Jesus Christ actually paid for the sins of the entire world. Not potentially, but actually. He really did pay for the sins of the entire world. Everyone is forgiven. Every single man, woman, and child is completely forgiven for every sin, past, present, and future. (Except for the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. But I am not about to get into that issue here.)

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Close Your Church for Good, Discipleship

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Bounded vs Centered Sets

By Jeremy Myers
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Bounded vs Centered Sets

bounded sets vs centered sets

Yesterday I wrote a long article about Bounded Sets and Centered Sets. In an attempt to simplify and summarize that post, here is a brief chart which I pulled from page 50 of Shaping of Things to Come by Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch.

Underneath the chart is a brief video which you might also find helpful, and following that is a quote from C. S. Lewis which, although he doesn’t speak of bounded sets or centered sets, seems to address the concept.  I have also written about this previously in my post, Belonging before Believing.

Bounded Set and Centered Set Approach

Bounded-Set Approach

Centered-Set Approach

The evangelizer is the expert who has special knowledge regarding God that the lost person must take in to be saved.

Each person is the expert on his or her own life and has the God-given ability to seek for the truth. The evangelizer respects this.

The “lost” person is viewed as flawed in character and sinful.

Each person is viewed as created in the image of God–precious, valuable, and loved by God.

Seeing people as simply lost or saved, it tries to paternally “fix up” sinners and make them like us.

Seeing people as seekers, it tries to stimulate others to ask, seek, and knock, while understanding we don’t know it all ourselves.

The goal is to get them to sign on, to profess belief, to become part of the team.

The goal is for the process of discovery of Christ and the search for truth to be furthered in the person.

A cataclysmic change occurs in people called “conversion.”

Conversion is a process that does not begin and end with the profession of faith in Christ, but begins with the Holy Spirit’s prevenient grace on the person’s life and continues through repentance for a lifetime–the Kingdom comes.

We Christians know and have the whole truth.

We don’t know everything about life or God–humility and wonder remain.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bounded sets, centered sets, CS Lewis, Discipleship, Theology of the Church

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Bounded Sets and Centered Sets

By Jeremy Myers
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Bounded Sets and Centered Sets

Bounded Set and Centered SetOne concept that really helps grasp the concept of living and ministering without doctrinal statements is idea of bounded and centered sets. This ideas was initially developed over 30 years ago by missiologist and anthropologist Paul Hebert in his book Anthropological Reflections on Missiological Issues. His ideas were then popularized by Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch in their book, Shaping of Things to Come, and in the book edited by Darrell Guder, Missional Church.

Below is a brief summary of Bounded and Centered Sets.

Bounded Sets

A bounded set is where we create a boundary, a theological border, a doctrinal fence, and separate those who are inside the fence from those who are out. It is an “us” versus “them” mentality where everyone on the inside is accepted, loved, and welcomed, while those outside the fence are kept away until they can change their beliefs and behaviors to fit the entry requirements.

The pastor and elders and leaders of the church or organization often serve as the gatekeepers in such situations, welcoming those who belong while admonishing those who don’t to “change their ways.”

Bounded Set Illustration

Horse Corral Bounded SetIf it helps, you can think of a bounded set as a Western style horse corral. The cowboys build the fence to keep the horses from wandering away. Outside the fence is where wild beasts and rustlers reside, just looking for a chance to kill or steal a horse.

In this situation, the fence serves to protect the property of the cowboys, and also makes it easier for them to feed and care for their herd. Occasionally, a wild animal gets into the corral, where he is summarily shot.

Sometimes, however, the cowboys go out and capture some mustangs from the wild, and bring them back to the corral. But before these wild horses can be introduced to the rest of the herd, they must be broken. They must learn to enjoy the safety of the fence.

Usually, the wild horses are tamed, and introduced to the rest of the herd. Though they may still long for the freedom of the open range, they eventually learn that life inside the corral is pretty good. There are no predators and the food is easy to obtain. It is safe, warm, and clean, and there is plenty of time for food and friendship with other horses.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bounded sets, centered sets, church, Close Your Church for Good, Discipleship, pastor

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