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God Appears Guilty, Just Like Jesus

By Jeremy Myers
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God Appears Guilty, Just Like Jesus

God incarnateForget for a moment that you live 2000 years after the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, and forget that you have the New Testament which tells you about who Jesus was and what He did. Imagine that you pick up an ancient history book and it tells you about three men who were put to death around 33 BC for religious and political crimes. Two of them were criminals and one was a rabble-rouser, a trouble-maker, and a blasphemer. If you knew nothing else about these three men, you would assume they were most likely guilty.

Imagine furthermore that rather than living 2000 years after the fact, you were a Jewish person who lived at the time of Jesus. If you had heard anything from the Jewish rabbis of your day, you would know that this man named Jesus was a threat to the peace, order, safety, and security of your life within the Roman Empire.

If Jesus was the Messiah, as He claimed, He would rise up in revolt against the Roman invaders, but since He clearly did not want to go to war with the Romans, and since He often said things that directly challenged the traditions and teachings of the religious leaders, and sometimes He even seemed to say blasphemous things about the Temple and about YHWH Himself, well, Jesus was guilty. He had to die because He was guilty.

And when He did die, they hung Him on a cross. It was a gruesome sight, but that was evidence enough of His guilt. God had seen fit to judge this blasphemer named Jesus by hanging Him on a tree, for as the Scriptures say, โ€œCursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.โ€

Yes, this was evidence that God also was upset about what this man named Jesus was teaching, and had seen fit to make Him a public spectacle in the sight of all so that nobody would ever again seek to challenge the teachings of the religious leaders or the traditions of the Jewish people.

Yes, if you were a Jew living 2000 years ago, and if you saw Jesus hanging on the cross, you most likely would have thought that He was a guilty criminal who had come under the curse of God. You would be revolted and sickened by His appearance.

But looking back now, we know that Jesus was not guilty. He did not sin. He died a criminalโ€™s death because He went there willingly, as a sacrifice for the sins of the whole world, to take our sins upon Himself and bear them into death. But we only know this because Jesus rose from the dead and told His disciples that this is what happened, and the disciples taught it to others and wrote about it in the Bible, and the Apostle Paulโ€”the greatest theologian in historyโ€”wrote about this theme in many of his letters.

Jesus looks guilty

So it is also with God.

From our human perspective, a God who enters into human affairs in the way that God did in the Old Testament looks guilty. Just like Jesus on the cross. As outsiders, when we look upon the appearance of God in the Old Testament, we see a guilty criminal who is doing things that nobody should ever do. This also is exactly the way some people looked at Jesus. When we read about some of the brutal and bloody things that the Israelites did in Godโ€™s name, God appears ugly and revolting. In many of the depictions there is no beauty or comeliness, that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by many. We do not esteem Him. Just like Jesus (cf. Isa 53:1-3).

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible, blasphemy, cross, death of Jesus, guilty, Jewish, Messiah, Old Testament, Paul, religion, Theology of God, When God Pled Guilty

Incarnation of God in the Old Testament

By Jeremy Myers
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Incarnation of God in the Old Testament

Another principle of understanding the violent sections of the Bible is to understand the incarnation of God.

incarnation of GodWe typically think of the incarnation as something that happened only when Jesus Christ became human, that is, when He was born of a virgin, grew up as a boy under the parentage of Joseph and Mary, became a man, and then lived, taught, ministered, suffered, and died. Strictly speaking, this is probably true. The definition of โ€œincarnateโ€ is โ€œto become flesh.โ€ So prior to the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh, it is not exactly accurate to say that God was in the fleshโ€”that God was human. God only became human when He entered the womb of a woman and grew up as a human, just like one of us.

Yet there is something about the incarnation of God in the person of Jesus Christ which teaches us how God has always entered into the world and interacted with human in history.

Just as Jesus took on human flesh with all its weaknesses and limitations, so also God, in the Old Testament โ€œincarnatedโ€ Himself into the affairs of humanity with all of our weaknesses and limitations.

Just as the human body of Jesus could get tired, feel pain, hunger, thirst, and even die, and just as the words and intentions of Jesus could be misunderstood, misrepresented, and misapplied, so also, when God entered into human affairs in various times and places in the Old Testament, He did so with all the frailties, weaknesses, and limitations of humanity, and His words also could be misunderstood, misrepresented, and misapplied. God became incarnate in human history through human events by

To say that God became incarnate in human historyโ€”and specifically Israelite historyโ€”is not to say that God became flesh, but to say that God entering into history and allowed Himself to be limited by the events, ideas, and methods of the world at that time. Jesus certainly knew of better ways of traveling than by walking (and after His resurrection, He shows one of these by appearing and disappearing at will), but as God in human flesh, He limited Himself to walking because this was the available method for most humans at that time.

Based on this principle, it seems possible that there might be some instances in the Old Testament where God chose to allow Israel to act in a certain way because He had also limited Himself to the methods that were available to Him at that time. War is never Godโ€™s plan or desire, but if the Israelites wanted to enter the land of Canaan and the only method available to them at the time (that they could think of anyway) was violent warfare, then God was restricted from getting Israel to enter the land in any other way. When the Israelites were facing an enemy that was set on killing them all at the edge of the sword, the Israelites could not fathom any other way out of the situation than by warfare (and frankly, neither can I!), and so God, who had incarnated Himself into human history, allowed them to engage in warfare in His Name, even though war was not Godโ€™s will, was not Godโ€™s plan, and was not Godโ€™s desire.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Theology of God, When God Pled Guilty

Do Not Seek Christian Unity

By Jeremy Myers
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Do Not Seek Christian Unity

unityChristian unity is one of the highest Christian goals, which is why we are always encouraging one another to grow in unity.

Toward that end, we have all heard (or said) things like this:

“We need to all grow together in unity!”

“We all must come together in unity on this subject!”

“We invite you to join us as we grow in unity with one another!”

But sometimes I wonder…. is it really unity we are after, or just keeping the peace?

Is Unity the Same as Keeping the Peace?

Often times (in my experience anyway), what is called “unity” really just boils down to a mutually agreed upon list of beliefs and behaviors that are considered “safe” by everyone within the group. The controversial activities and hot-button topics are considered “off limits” so that everyone can be “unified.” But again, is this really unity?

I have trouble thinking that “agreeing to not discuss certain topics” is what Jesus meant by “unity” when He prayed that we would be one as He and the Father are one (John 17:21). It seems that this is not true unity, but is a forced unity… a fake unity. a unity that is based not on love for other people no matter what, but is based instead on a mutual agreement to not discuss certain subjects or do certain things when we are together.

I do, of course, remember what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians about giving up some of his freedoms for the sake of other Christians, and while I understand that this is an essential part of growing in unity, I wonder if this is all that unity is…. you know… a list of rules about what not to talk about around Mr. and Mrs. Jenkins, a set of behaviors to not do when in the presence of Pastor Jim, a personal interest to keep hidden from Elder Bob, and my political leanings to stay silent about around Miss Morrell.

Is this real unity? Hiding who we really are from other people just so we can get along?

Is True Unity Possible?

I have a real hard time believe it is, but at the same time, this seems to be the most unified we Christians can get. There are so many differences of opinion on nearly ever subject under the sun and every behavior imaginable, how in the world can we ever be unified? It is impossible to think that we will all become clones of each other, thinking and behaving in exactly the same way, so how can we grow in unity if there will never be unity of thought and unity of behavior this side of heaven? (And maybe not even then???)

I have been thinking on this for a long time, and while I don’t have the answers, I think I am beginning to see a speck of light on how to grow in unity with one another, while still allowing for great disunity on a vast array of theological beliefs and Christian behaviors.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

Happy Dadd Day

By Jeremy Myers
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Happy Dadd Day

Happy Father’s Day!

I want to thank my own dad for being a great father to 10 kids (yes, there were ten of us!), and always being calm, cool, and (for the most part) collected. I always remember my friends saying to me, “Nothing fazes your dad, does it?” I guess you had to be this way with 10 kids in the house….

Since I am now a father, I have tried to practice some of that cool-headedness. Of course, I don’t have ten children… only three. I am the proud father of three girls. And based on how beautiful they are, I know I am headed for trouble.

So I laughed when I saw these pictures.

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rules for dating my daughter

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

Is God Lying about His Involvement in Violence?

By Jeremy Myers
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Is God Lying about His Involvement in Violence?

God does not lieOne common objection to the proposal I am making in my series on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament (see the link list below) is that this view seems to make God out to be a liar.

The objection is this: If God inspired the biblical authors to record that He is doing and commanding things that He is actually not doing or commanding, doesnโ€™t this mean that God is lying? But Scripture says that God does not lie (Num 23:19).ย So how can God inspire biblical authors to write that He commanded Israel to do things that He did not actually command them to do? As with the previous objection, there are a few things that can be said in response.

If God Did Commit Violence, Then Jesus is a Liar

First, we can turn the question around. It seems that if God truly is violent, then the real lie is in Jesus claiming to fully reveal God to us, but not showing or revealing any of the murderous and bloody violence that so characterized God in the Old Testament. Take for example, John 14:9-11. Philip says to Jesus, โ€œShow us the Father,โ€ and in response Jesus says, โ€œIf you have seen me, you have seen the Father.โ€

But if God truly does have a violent and bloody side then Jesus was being deceptive, for nowhere in His life or ministry did He reveal God as someone who goes to war against His enemies or commands the genocide of people who do not love or obey Him.

If there is a dark side to God, it was certainly hidden in Jesus during His ministry, which means that when Jesus tells Philip, โ€œIf you have seen me, you have seen the Father,โ€ what He really meant was โ€œYou havenโ€™t fully seen the Father; only the loving side.โ€ If God really is violent, but Jesus revealed none of this violence, then the real lie is Jesus hiding this side of God from us so that He appeared more loving and gracious than He truly is.

If someone believes that God truly is violent, the burden of proof lies on them to explain how Jesus fully reveals God to us but fails to reveal the violent and bloody side of Godโ€™s nature. If Jesus is the exact representation of God and is the image of the invisible God (John 1:14, 18; 14:9-11; 2 Cor 4:4; Php 2:6; Col 1:15; Heb 1:2-3), but during His life and ministry never revealed the aspect of God as a warrior, then there are only two options:ย either God is not a warrior and Jesus did truly reveal the Father to us, or Jesus was being deceptive.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: cross, enemies, genocide, God, guilty, Jesus, John 14:9-11, lie, Luke 9:54, Numbers 23:19, Old Testament, scripture, Theology of God, violence, When God Pled Guilty

Itโ€™s Right for God to Slaughter Women and Children Anytime He Pleases

By Jeremy Myers
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Itโ€™s Right for God to Slaughter Women and Children Anytime He Pleases

John Piper God Slaughters WomenDid you hear what John Piper said online a few years back? Check out this quote:

It’s right for God to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases. God gives life and he takes life. Everybody who dies, dies because God wills that they die.

That is not the God I know.

Yuri Wijting on Facebook directed me to anย article by Peter Enns which talked about this statement by John Piper.

Here are a couple things Peter Enns said in response to John Piper:

1. It is unguarded to make a general principle of Godโ€™s character on the basis of the treatment of the Canaanites in the Old Testament. Of course, Piper would likely retort that all of Scripture is God-breathed, does not mislead us, and reveals the character of God. But then he would need to address squarely Jesusโ€™ teaching in the Sermon on the Mount that โ€œdeath to our enemiesโ€ is no longer valid.

The insider-outsider premise that undergirds Canaanite slaughter (and the killing of many of Israelโ€™s enemies in the Old Testamentโ€“see #3) is the very thing Jesus squashed: โ€œMy kingdom is not of this world.โ€ That alone should give Piper pause from venturing forward with his assessment of Godโ€™s character on the basis of how Canaanites are dealt with.

2. Following on #1, โ€œthe Bible said it, that settles itโ€ answer to Godโ€™s violence in the Old Testament not only runs into problems with respect to the New Testament but the Old Testament as well. There is a fair amount of theological diversity in the Old Testament regarding the nature of Godโ€™s judgment on the nations that would need to be taken into account. (For example, compare Jonah and Nahum on the fate of Assyria; the glorious fate of Egypt in Isaiah 19:23-25.) To make one view on such a thorny issue the model for how God acts throughout time runs the danger of privileging certain texts that support oneโ€™s theology.

If you get a chance, go read the rest of theย article by Peter Enns. It is excellent.

I thought about adding a few choice words of my own directed at John Piper, but then I realized I was not angry. Instead, I was extremely, extremely sad.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Theology of God, When God Pled Guilty

Help the Lost Get Found

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Help the Lost Get Found

find lost loved onesFrank Viola put up a post yesterday about a website that helps you find people. Here is what he wrote:

Have you ever wanted to find an old friend from high school? You tried finding them on Facebook or those lame โ€œhigh school reconnectโ€ sites, and youโ€™ve come up empty.

Or how about an old college friend or even an elementary school buddy?

Or more seriously, how do you find a missing person? For instance, how do you find a biological parent? How do you find a missing child? How do you find a missing friend? How do you find a missing parent?

Well,ย Reconnect: Find Lost or Missing Personsย was created to do just that by using the ubiquitous power of the Internet in a strategic way.

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Does Jesus Condemn People? NO!

By Jeremy Myers
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Does Jesus Condemn People? NO!

Okay, okay, the title might be a little too strong. I do believe that Jesus is the righteous judge of the world and that we will all stand before Him to give an accounting, and that based on the judgment of Jesus, some will be eternally separated from God… So don’t rake me over the coals too much for that title….

I am only wrote that title in connection to Romans 8:34 due to a comment that was left on someone else’s blog about my recent series on God, violence, and evil. Here is what happened:

Peter Kirk recently posted a quote from one of my blog postsย (if you do this, let me know so I can come interact with your readers!), and one of the people who left comments strongly disagreed with my ideas, and quoted Romans 8:34 this way:ย โ€œWho is it that condemns? Christ Jesusโ€ฆโ€

Whoa!

Is that a verse which says that Jesus Christ does actually condemn people? When I saw that verse, I blinked and shook my head and thought, “Really? How could I have missed that all these years?”

Jesus done not condemnSo I went and looked it up.

And guess what? The devil is in the dots. The problem is with the ellipses (…).

I know we all use them, but always be wary of Scripture quotations that include ellipses.

In Romans 8:34, Paul is not answering his question and saying that Jesus Christ condemns. No! Exactly the opposite. Paul is saying Jesus Christ is the only one whoย couldย condemn, but far from condemning anyone, Jesus died for us and intercedes for us! This is the only way to make Roman 8:34 fit with Romans 8:1.

Romans 8:34 should be understood this way: “Who is he who condemns? Jesus Christ is the only one who could, but He doesn’t! Instead, he died for us, and rose again from the dead, and now intercedes for us at the right hand of God the Father in heaven!”

Beautiful!ย Far from condemning humanity, Jesus loves us, died for us, and now intercedes for us!

Look, I know that not everybody will agree with the theory I am proposing about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament (see the link list at the bottom of this post).

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: condemns, crucifixion, Jesus, judge, Romans 8:34, scripture, Theology of Jesus, violence, When God Pled Guilty

The Greatest Act of Courage

By Jeremy Myers
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The Greatest Act of Courage

Courage Nelson MandelaNelson Mandela once said โ€œCourage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.โ€

This is a great insight.

Although maybe John Wayne said it slightly better: “Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway.”

People sometimes think that the courageous person does not feel fear in the midst of great danger and potential personal harm. But this is not true. If someone is facing great danger and they feel no fear, they are not courageous, but ignorant and foolish. Fear is natural and normal in dangerous situations. The courageous person is not someone who feels no fear, but who runs headlong into danger despite the fear.

Yet while I like this understanding of courage, it is usually only applied to acts of valor that we might see on a battlefield or in a daring rescue operation. We think of the soldier who charges forward against a spray of enemy bullets to rescue a wounded comrade. We think of a policeman who stands alone against criminals intent on doing harm, holding them back until reinforcements arrive. We think of firemen who enter burning buildings to pull terrified children from the flames.

These are all, undoubtedly, great acts of courage.ย But I do not think they are the greatest possible act of courage. No,ย the greatest possible act of courage is the courage it takes to forgive.

The Courage to Forgive

When we are wronged, slandered, hurt, or abused, our entire body, soul, and spirit screams against the idea of forgiveness. We want revenge! We want retaliation! We want the person who did us wrong to suffer as we have suffered.

But more than that, we do not want to be hurt in the same way again. We fear that if we forgive someone for what they have done, they will continue to abuse and hurt us in similar ways.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: courage, cross, Discipleship, fear, forgiveness, Jesus, love, Nelson Mandela, suffering, synchroblog

6 Ways to Explain Bible Contradictions

By Jeremy Myers
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6 Ways to Explain Bible Contradictions

Vincent LatorreThis is a guest post by Vince Latorre. As a young boy, Vince always had an inquisitive nature. He immediately wanted the answers to questions such as โ€œIs there a God?โ€ โ€œHow did I get here?โ€ โ€œHow was the world and universe created?โ€ His search for answers to these questions led him to a personal encounter with Christ at age nine or ten. As his faith grew, his desire to analytically research and validate the Word of God intensified.

Latorre spent many hours in libraries and bookstores sifting through more than 200 books and hundreds of articles on science, Bible textual criticism, and theology. As he researched these, the author began to see the powerful scientific evidence for creation as well as the evidence for the historical reliability of the Bible. . In his latest book,ย The Bible Can Be Proven, Vince Latorre shares the results of his research to strengthen believers and inform honest seekers.

Latorre is presently an accountant in a government agency, has taught Sunday School and Bible Studies for twenty four years, and is a Lay Speaker in the United Methodist Church, speaking to students at high school and adult levels in many churches, including his own. You may contact Vince through one of the following:

  • Web site and Blog: The Bible Can Be Proven
  • Facebook:ย  The Bible Can Be Proven
  • Twitter:ย  Vince Latorre

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We hear a lot about Bible “contradictions” from people these days. Many say that because of these discrepancies the reliability of the Bible cannot be trusted. Especially brought up are the four gospels, since they have many parallel accounts that have surface disagreements with one another. But these supposed contradictions in the Bible need not destroy your faith. Quite to the contrary, if approached properly, supposed contradictions in Scripture can actually help strengthen our faith.

contradictionsLet me give you six different ways you can explain these supposedly fatal contradictions.

1. Biblical Authors Sometimes โ€œParaphraseโ€

In first century culture, it was permissible to vary the exact wording when you quoted someone, as long as the meaning of the quote remained intact. They could vary the amount of detail given for a specific account also.

For example, “Two cars collided in the intersection” might be said also as “The first car crashed into the second car as they both were moving through the intersection of First and Second Street.” Each describes the same event. One gives more detail, but the basic meaning is not changed. If the second quote said: “There was only one car in the accident, and it hit a pole,” then that would be a contradiction. But we find nothing like this in the gospels.

2. Biblical Authors Use Different Witnesses to the Same Event

The fact that there are differences in the biblical text is actually evidence of its historical accuracy. The seemingย disagreements in Scripture show the absence of collusion.

Some of the Bibleโ€™s verses, when carefully studied in the proper context, exhibit superficial discrepancies and conflicts which resolve themselves on closer examination. This kind of evidence is exactly what is looked for in a court of law to establish credibility and independence of witnesses. If things agree too well they look artificial and contrived.

3. Biblical Authors Didnโ€™t Always Put Things in Order by Time

Some of the Bible writers record historical events out of chronological order to fit whatever theme they are trying to emphasize, but this does not detract from the historicity of the events themselves.
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