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18 Things about Church I’m Tired Of

By Jeremy Myers
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18 Things about Church I’m Tired Of

I'm Tired of ChurchBen posted a comment on one of my posts, and I went and read his blog (as I do with almost everyone who comments on my blog… so if you want to be read… make a comment!), and found an article he wrote called “I’m Tired” about his experiences in church.

Here is some of what he wrote:

I’m tired….

I’m tired of people being entertained and not being discipled (not suggesting these HAVE to be mutually exclusive).

I’m tired of the poor not being fed. (I couldn’t tell another person asking for some money to feed their children that we cant give them anything (because its policy) when we have 6 plasma screens hanging on our stage – I know the story of the costly perfume etc but I don’t think this means that it is OK to have expensive toys and NOT look after the poor).

I’m tired of hearing/talking about how to “DO” church and want to start hearing/talking about how we “BE” the church.

I’m tired or having to wonder if these very senior Christian leaders are even saved.

I’m tired of evangelism and missions ‘not really being the thing that we do’.

I’m tired of controlling leadership.

I’m tired of legalism.

I’m tired of Christian Celebrity.

I’m tired of 90% of the congregation not being ‘engaged.’

I’m tired being of being sung at in ‘worship’

I’m tired of paper work and just want to get my hands dirty!

I’m tired of being judged.

I’m tired of Christianity only being accessible to the intelligent.

I’m tired of preaching where its all about me.

I’m tired of preaching that suggests that Jesus died so that I can have a Ferrari. (I mean what’s wrong with a porsche? ๐Ÿ˜‰

I’m tired of Christianity being ‘Sunday-10am-centric’.

I’m tired of people thinking that I’m backsliding if I skip a service.

I’m tired of the mindset that I have to dress up to honor God when I go to meet him at the church at 10am on Sunday. Do they not realize that God was with me all week, when I woke up, when I had breakfast and even when I farted?!

I’m tired of being tired.

You can read the rest of Ben’s post here.  Ben, I’m Tired too! Great post. Keep ’em coming.

2012 Note: Ben didn’t keep ’em coming…. He only made one more post after this. I hope my re-post didn’t scare him off… 

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Christianity, church, church service, Discipleship, legalism

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Ask Why About Church

By Jeremy Myers
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Ask Why About Church

Sometimes our church traditions can get in the way of doing what weโ€™re supposed to be doing. For example, I am not convinced that it is wise for most churches to have buildings, meet on Sunday morning, and be non-profit.

Sure, thereย are timesย when these things make sense. But in many ways today, suchย practices are only getting in the way of reaching out to unbelievers and adequately making disciples.

Good and Bad Church Traditions

So how can we discern good and helpful traditions from bad ones?

One good way is to practice something I learned from my two-year old: ask “Why?” a lot.

Why ask why?

To discover if a certainย churchย practice should be continued or not, ask โ€œWhy?โ€ about it seven times.

If, in asking โ€œWhy?โ€ seven times, you donโ€™t get to a good reason, you might want to consider dumping whatever it was you were asking โ€œWhy?โ€ about.

And if you ever answer โ€œBecause the Bible says soโ€ then ask โ€œWhere?โ€ and โ€œIs that really what that verse means?โ€

This is often good to do with a group of people because they can help you answer the questions, and tell you when an answer is not valid. You may have to “tweak” your question asking a bit to get at the root of the issue, but the point is to ruthlessly examine and question everything. It may look like this:

Hereโ€™s how it works:

Asking Why? about Sunday Church

Statement: The church meets on Sunday morning.

Why?

Possible answers:

It’s the Sabbath.ย (No, it isn’t. Saturday is.)

It’s the day Jesus rose from the dead (So? Where does it say we have to meet on the day Jesus rose from the dead? Doesn’t Paul say all days are equal?)

It’s a day that everybody has off. (Not any more. If we’re trying to meet when most people are free, wouldย Tuesday nightย be better? And for that matter, why do we want to meet when most people can meet? Furthermore, which people are “most people?”)

See how this works?

Just keep questioning everything you do in the church, and with some careful, critical thinking, you come to see that most of what the church does, it does by tradition: just because we’ve always done it that way.

This frees us up to realize thatย if there is a better way to make disciples, we should do it, even if we have to abandon most of our traditions.

Asking Why About Preaching

What if we asked “why” about preaching?

Why do we have preaching?

So we can teach the Bible and make disciples.

Ok. Why? Is preaching the best way to teach the Bible and make disciples?

Well, it is not the only way (or even the best way) to do either.

Ok. So if there are better ways, back to the original question: Why do we have preaching?

Well, because the pastor has the spiritual gift of teaching and he should get to use his gift.

Preaching vs TeachingOk. So why is the pastor the one who gets to use the majority of the church service using his gift, and why is preaching the best way to use the gift of teaching?

Well, other people get to use their gifts too, but the pastor went to Seminary, and we’re paying him to preach, and preaching is when he can reach the most people all at once with biblical truth. If he had to use his gifts one-on-one, it would take hundreds of hours of week to disseminate the same biblical truth. And besides, Paul told Timothy to “Preach the Word.”

I see. Each of those statements is going to need it’s own “Why?” question: Why did the pastor have to go to seminary to get his training to use his gift when we don’t send others to seminary to get training to practice their gifts?ย Why are we paying the pastor to use his gift when we don’t pay others to use theirs? ย Why do we need to reach a lot of people all at once with biblical truth? (Which returns to the earlier question of whether or not preaching is the best way to make disciples.) And why do we need to follow today the same instruction that Paul gave Timothy? And related to that, why do we think think the practice of “preaching” as it is done today is the same thing Paul meant when he told Timothy to “preach” the Word? If we do have to follow Paul’s instruction to Timothy (which isn’t yet certain), why don’t we figure out what Paul meant by “preach the Word” and then do that?

This line of questioning goes on and on.

The end result is that we eventually see that there are no good reasons for why churches do most of what they do. Often, as we try to defend the practices and traditions of the church, we find ourselves talking in circles and arguing from the basis of the way things have always been done, which keeps us from thinking about how things could be done.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: church, church service, church tradition, Discipleship, Preaching, questioning church, sermons, Theology of the Church, tradition

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What is the Church Service?

By Jeremy Myers
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What is the Church Service?

Church Service TimesI am not sure how the hour from 11:00-12:00 on Sunday morning (or whenever you “go to church”) became known as “The Church Service.”

Probably,ย the term isย too ingrained in our church culture to change it.

Nevertheless, “the church service” is one of the most tragic misnomers of Christianity.

No Service in the Church Service

First of all, little actual service takes place in the church service. If we define service as “using your spiritual gifts to edify and meet the needs of others, then on Sunday morning during the church service,ย only theย Sunday school teachers, the ushers,ย the music team, the pastor, and a few others are “serving.”

I suppose one could make an argument that putting money in the offering plate is “serving” and in some sense, simply showing up is an encouragement to the pastor, but is this really what is meant byย “Christian service”?

Limited “Service Times”

Second, it is tragic that we have segmented off an hour or two of our week and called it the “Service Time.” Check most church websites and bulletins, and they have their “Services Times” listed. The implication is that if you show up at one of these times, you are involved in Christian service. And if you ask most Christiansย what they do in their “Service time” they will talk about praying, singing, and listening t0 someone teach them from the Bible. Is this really service?

Somehow, we need a radical shift in how we schedule our church functions and programs. We need to have actual “Service times” where we get together and go help someone in our church or in our community. Mow lawns, feed the hungry,ย helpย single mothers with their kids. Then, we can come together as Christians for times of celebration, prayer, and teaching, but we probably shouldn’t callย such timesย “service.”

You probably aren’t going to get your church to change any of this, but how about you personally? How can you put the service back in “church service“?

2013 Note: This post was from 2007. Since then, I came out with a book titled, Put Service Back into the Church Service, which fleshes out in more detail some of what I wrote about in this post, and suggests some concrete ideas for how to put actual service back into the church service.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: church, church growth, church service, put service back into the church service, Theology of the Church

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How can we do church? Make Disciples!

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How can we do church? Make Disciples!

Once we understand what church is, we realize thatย we cannot go to church. Others in the world have come to understand this as well, and have started telling Christians to “Stop going to church…instead be the church.” Though shocking to some, it is right on target for how we need to be thinking. We cannot “get credit” for church by showing up in some building for an hour on Sunday morning, singing a few songs, smiling a few smiles, and listening to a sermon. That’s not “church.”

Do Church - Make Disciples

If, as we suggested yesterday, church is something you are, then it is something that you are part of all the time. Just as you are part of the human race everywhere you go, so also, you are part of the church everywhere you go.

So the question isn’t “Where do you attend church” or “What do you do in your church service” but instead, “As a part of the church, what can you be doing to strengthen it?” or “What does church do?”

The Biblical answer to this is simple. As the church, our task is to make disciples.

Make Disciples

And there are few “church guidelines” on how to do this. We have several examples of what various believers did in the first century do make disciples. They met together, prayed, ate meals, learned the teaching of the apostles, and served one another. Also, it seems that a big part of their disciple-making process was telling others about Jesus.

In history, we have many more examples of what other believers did to make disciples. Some of them worked for a time, but then became alarmingly ineffective. our modern day “church service” is a great example of this. At one point in history, it was a great way to reach the community for Jesus and teach and train these new believers about Jesus. It was where people came to serve and be served, hence the name “church service.” But this method doesn’t seem to work any more for most people. So why hang on to it?

What is the church supposed to do? Make disciples. So let us stop trying to figure out how to do church and instead figure out how to make disciples.ย 

In our day, we need to reexamine the ways we try to make disciples and if they are not working, ask ourselves:

  • What will work?
  • How can we best make disciples?
  • Are meetings necessary?
  • If so, when/where should we meet, and what should we do when we meet?
  • How can we get believers to know what God wants them to know and do what God wants them to do so we can be the church in our community?
  • How can we best tell people about Jesus?”

The answers to these questions will be different for different groups of believers living in different cities. But they are questions that every group of believers must ask if they are going to effectively make disciples.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: be the church, church, Discipleship, make disciples, Theology of the Church

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What is church?

By Jeremy Myers
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What is church?

What is Church?

Most of the problems regarding how to “do church” and what goes on “at church” could nearly be solved by simply answering the question “What is church?”

What is Church?

It seems that most of us believe that church is something we do on Sunday morning. It is where we meet God, and therefore, we haveย to dress up to “go to church,” and act a different way “at church.”

Though there are new types of buildings that hold “churches” they are typicallyย built with red bricks, stained glass, and a white steeple.ย It is “at church” thatย we sing songs about God, read the Bible, and listen to a pastor teach. Church is where we get spiritual instruction. Church is whereย we go when we need a spiritual “pick-me-up.” Church is an American tradition.

But is that what “church” is? No. Absolutely not!

What is Church?

Biblically, the church is made up of all who have believed in Jesus for eternal life worldwide and throughout time. That is the church.ย 

Therefore, church isย not something you can attend.ย It is not a place you can go.

“Church” just is, and you are either a part of the church or you are not.

When this truth is grasped, it revolutionizes the way we go about being the church. We realize that since we can’t go to church, what is this “thing” we are doing on Sunday morning? If that’s not church, what is?ย If we can’t “go to church,” what are we supposed to do about church? How are we supposed to “do church”?

Share your view and ideas on these subjects in the comments below.

Note: Since this post was written, I have written a couple books on this very topic:

To answer the “What is the church?” question, I wrote Skeleton Church.

To answer the “What is the church service?” question, I wrote Put Service Back into the Church Service.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: being the church, church, church growth, church service, Theology of the Church

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