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How to read and teach the Apocalyptic Literature of the Bible

By Jeremy Myers
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How to read and teach the Apocalyptic Literature of the Bible

apocalyptic literatureHave you ever tried to study or teach the books of Daniel and Revelation?

If so, you know how challenging they can be. This is partly because these books are two of the “Apocalyptic” books in the Bible. The apocalyptic books of the Bible are some of the hardest to read, study, understand, and teach.

I recently read an excellent book on how to study and teach these apocalyptic sections of the Bible. It is the book Interpreting Apocalyptic Literature by Richard Taylor.

In this book, Taylor provides an excellent summary of what Apocalyptic Literature is and why it is so difficult for modern readers to understand. He then moves on to provide numerous suggestions and guidelines for studying Apocalyptic Literature and teaching it to others (e.g., p 118f). Taylor also includes several warnings about the pitfalls that many ancient and modern Christians have fallen into when they study and teach these difficult portions of the Bible (p. 130f).

Apocalyptic Literature Richard TaylorI found this book to be one of the best introductory books I have read on Apocalyptic Literature in the Bible, and highly recommend it for anybody who wants to study, teach, or preach through any of the Apocalyptic books or sections of the Bible. This is especially true if you plan on teaching the book of Daniel. I say this because the Taylor uses the book of Daniel to provide practical examples of how to read and teach Apocalyptic Literature. As such, this book almost serves as a good mini commentary on Daniel.

Of course, if you are studying Revelation, this book by Taylor will be helpful too, but there are not nearly as many tips or suggestions on Revelation as there are on Daniel. This is probably the only downfall to Taylor’s book, since Revelation tends to be more difficult to read and understand than Daniel. But I have previously provided some tips on reading Revelation, and there is another book in the series which focuses specifically on Revelation.

So, do you want to study and teach Daniel and other apocalyptic books of the Bible? Interpreting Apocalyptic Literature by Richard Taylor will lead you in the right direction.

God is Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, Books I'm Reading, Daniel, Preaching, revelation

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15 Reasons Biblical Illiteracy is NOT a Problem in the Church

By Jeremy Myers
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15 Reasons Biblical Illiteracy is NOT a Problem in the Church

I was recently interviewed by Thom Schultz, the CEO of Group Publishing, for his “Holy Soup” podcast. We talked about whether or not biblical illiteracy is a problem in the church. Lots of people think it is, and bemoan the fact that most Christians don’t know their Bible very well. Some are calling this an epidemic or a crisis. But as I discussed with Thom Schultz, I don’t think it is that big of a problem. Listen to the podcast to learn why.

I am also doing a series of blog posts on the topic so that I can explain in more depth what I said in the podcast interview.

Here are the posts so far:

  • 2013 Post about Biblical Illiteracy
  • Is Biblical Illiteracy a Problem in the Church?

By the way, I am also writing about this in a book which I hope to publish in the next month or two. The book is actually about pastoral leadership, but since preaching is a function of pastors, I write about how pastors can transform their preaching to do a better job at making disciples. Make sure you have subscribed to my email newsletter to get news about this book when it comes out.

And just in case it needs to be said, I am all in favor of Bible study. I study Scripture for several hours almost every day. I study Scripture for pure enjoyment, but I also study it for my books, for my teaching and preaching, and for this blog. All I am saying below is that not everybody needs to study the Bible as much as I do. Most do not. Further still, most Christians already know enough about the Bible.

biblical illiteracyThe problem is not a lack of biblical literacy; the problem is a lack of biblical living and loving, and to be honest, you don’t need to know much about the Bible in order to live and love like Jesus.

Anyway, here are the 15 reasons I believe that biblical illiteracy is not a problem in the church:

1. There is no end to the quest for biblical literacy.

If biblical literacy is the goal, how can we know when we have achieved it? How much Bible knowledge does a person need to have?

The answer is always “More than they have now.” It’s like riches: “How much money do you need?” Only one dollar more. The quest for biblical literacy is a quest with no end, and the problem with the Bible is that it has enough ideas to occupy our minds for eternity, which means that if we keep from stepping out to love and serve others until we feel like we know enough, we will never feel like we know enough.

So I would rather have people take what little they do know, and start living it. Then, as questions come up and issues arise, they can return to Scripture for more.

2. Pastoral sermons hinder biblical literacy.

Believe it or not, sermons are part of the problem. Pastors often talk about Greek and Hebrew in their sermons, mention the professional theology training they have received, and put seminary degree placards up on their office walls. This gives the impression to lots of people that if they don’t know Greek and Hebrew, and don’t have the time or money to attend seminary or read all the theology books, then they cannot actually know Scripture. So they don’t even try.

What we have given to the people with one hand, we took away with the other. People hear our sermons sprinkled with Greek, Hebrew, and quotations from theology books, and they realize they don’t have the time or training to do all this study, and when they try with the limited time and resources they do have, more often than not, they get scoffed at or ridiculed by someone with more training and knowledge for having a view that shows their ignorance. So people throw up their hands and say “Why bother?”

3. You can get the Bible to say anything you want.

This is one reason people have given upon learning the Bible. They study, study, study, learn, learn, learn, and then they discover that someone who studied 10,000 hours more than them came to an exact opposite conclusion. It’s disheartening. So some people throw in the towel on Bible study. When there is a such a wide array of opinions and beliefs on what a particular passage means, and there is very little chance for the average student of Scripture to gain clarity or certainty on which view is right, most people think “Why even try?”

4. There is a lack of love among the so-called “Biblically literate.”

The people in our society today who know the Bible best seem to be the same ones who live it least. There seems to be little correlation between Bible literacy and Jesus-like love. In fact, it sometimes seems that there is an inverse relationship between the two, so that as Bible knowledge goes up, the presence of love goes down.

Biblical literacy should no longer be defined as “how much you know about the Bible,” but should be defined instead by “How much you love like Jesus, who reveals to us that God is love.” People typically don’t need Bible knowledge to know how to love others. Quite the contrary, an emphasis on Bible knowledge often leads to a lack of love.

5. There is a difference between information and understanding.

When it comes to information, what is needed is not so much biblical literacy, as it is biblical understanding.

As I mentioned in the previous post on this topic, I would rather have someone understand one Bible verse than be able to quote 100 without understanding. Lots of people can quote Bible verses and get perfect scores on Bible trivia quizzes, but have very little understanding of most of the Bible verses they quote.

Bible explanation is always better than a Bible quotation.

And by the way, understanding a passage does not simply require you to know what YOU think it means, but also requires you to know what OTHERS think it means. Pick almost any verse in the Bible, and there will probably be half a dozen views on what that verse means. Some passages, like Hebrews 6:4-6, have about 2o (or more) possible views. I do not believe a person has understood a text until they have understood many of the views about that text. After all, how can someone believe their understanding of a text is correct if they do not know what other people say about text?

Most people who just quote Bible verses at you think that those Bible verses have a “straightforward and plain meaning.” Typically, the “straightforward meaning” of the text which seems so clear to them, seems to be the exact opposite of the “straightforward and plain meaning” of the text to others. Once a person begins to understand this, they see that “the plain meaning of the text” is a myth. So having lots of Bible information is not the same as having good Bible understanding.

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6. Biblical literacy is championed by those who have related spiritual gifts.

One reason we hear about biblical illiteracy so much is because the people who champion it are the ones who have the spiritual gifts of teaching, preaching, and knowledge.

The greatest danger of all spiritual gifts is that some people think their gift is a gift everyone should have. God has laid upon the hearts and minds of pastors and teachers to study the Scripture and teach it to others. And they should fulfill their God-given task and do this. I am a pastor-teacher, which is why I study, preach, teach, and write. But we who have this spiritual giftedness must not fall into the trap of thinking that because such things are important to us, all other Christians must do the same things.

Just because we have these gifts, and God wants us to use these gifts, this does not mean that everyone has this same gifts or desires.

If you hire a pastor who has the spiritual gifts of mercy, or service, his sermons will probably not be full of Bible knowledge and theology facts, nor will he place a heavy emphasis on biblical literacy. Instead, he will place an emphasis on acts of love in the community, and getting out to our friends and neighbors to serve them. He will likely teach about the epidemic of the lack of love and service in our communities rather than the lack of biblical literacy.

Everybody tends to emphasize their own spiritual gifts, and everybody tends to think that everybody else should have the same interests and ministry priorities that they themselves have. But this is just not how spiritual gifts are supposed to work. God gives gifts to each one of us so that each of us can do what God wants us to do for the edification and encouragement of the Body. But if I tell you to stop practicing your gift and start practicing mine because if you don’t, you are not a good Christian, you will only end up frustrated. God wants me to study and teach Scripture. He may not want you to do the same thing.

My wife and I are a perfect example. I am the scholar, she is the server. For years, she felt guilty because she didn’t study more, and I felt guilty because I didn’t serve more. But we have now come to realize that I study and she serves, and we both need each other. I teach her what I learn, and she invites me along when she serves. When we go out to love and serve others, I tend to not know what I’m doing, so I follow her lead and do okay. Serving others is out of my comfort zone, and it’s awkward, but it is perfectly natural and normal for her, and so she helps me learn to love and serve others. This is how spiritual gifts are to work.

7. Biblical literacy is championed by pastors and teachers.

This point is nearly identical to the previous one, but with a focus on those whose salaries depend on people studying and learning Scripture.

Have you ever noticed that those who talk most about the lack of biblical literacy in the church today are those who get paid to raise the level of biblical literacy in the church today? That should raise some red flags.

The need for biblical literacy is championed by those who have the time and training to study it, and by those whose income requires people being dependent upon them for learning the Bible. Notice that those who decry the lack of biblical literacy in the church often say that the solution to this problem is to come listen to their sermons, buy their books, and attend their schools.

Look, along with teaching and writing about Scripture and theology, I also design websites and publish books for other authors, and I get paid a little bit of money to do so. What if I came out tomorrow and started telling people that everybody needs to have their own website and write their own books, and I can help you accomplish this? And if you don’t have your own website or your won book, well, you are not a very good Christian.

If I got enough people to believe that, I would then have more people coming to me to help them design and run their websites and write and publish their books. My income would vastly increase. It is to my financial benefit to get more people to believe that they need a website and must publish a book.

I think sometimes this is what happens when certain pastors and teachers say that Christians must increase the level of their biblical literacy. I wonder if subconsciously, they are simply trying to protect their salaries.

Note that it is not wrong for pastors and teachers to get paid. I get paid for some of what I teach and write, and I greatly appreciate the people who purchase what I produce. So does my family. But I hope that you never feel like I am pressuring you to buy what I publish or teach, or make you feel guilty or like you are less of a Christian if you do not. I believe that what I teach is of great help to people, which is why I make a large chunk of it available for free through this website and my podcast, and so I hope that when you buy one of my books or teaching courses, it is not because you were pressured, but because you simply wanted to learn more.

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8. Bible knowledge works very much like an addiction.

The people who do best at Bible knowledge are generally those who have addiction-prone personalities, and the behaviors and practices they engage in to study and learn Scripture exhibit many signs of addiction. They need their daily and weekly fix of biblical insights and Bible studies.

Are there worse thing to be addicted to? Sure. But addictions are never healthy for the relationship of the people in the addiction, and this is true of Bible addicts as well. Bible addicts often have trouble with the relationships in their life, which means that while they may be learning a lot, they are not learning to live it out.

Also, in light of the previous point, this sort of makes pastors and preachers the dealers in this transaction, which is why you will very often find the most Bible addicts in a church where the pastor and preacher places an heavy and constant emphasis on attending church, listening to sermons, daily Bible reading, and going to Bible studies. But very little that is truly relational tends to go on in these churches. If you are in a church like this and don’t believe me, try not attending the church for three months, and see what happens. If people call you and tell you that you have been missed (and that’s a big IF), tell them that you are just taking a break from church. See what they say. Then see how long it takes for the calls to stop.

Many people who are addicted to Bible knowledge are not very good at meaningful relationships, just like most other addicts. And like addicts, they often try to pressure others into becoming addicts also. They tell you that you need your daily Bible fix, and the good stuff is being offered over at the church on Main street. If you turn them down and just say “No,” they will typically not have time for you any longer.

If you think you may have a Bible addiction, try going “cold turkey” for a while. You will have withdrawal symptoms of guilt and fear about what God is going to do to you now that you are not having your “Quiet Time.” You will get pressure from your “dealer” (aka, Pastor) about how your life is going to fall apart now that you don’t listen to his sermons.

I work with a lot of former drug addicts in my job, and I am always amazed at how quickly they turn from drugs to the Bible, which is still a much better trade, but then quickly becomes almost as destructive on their life, their job, and their relationships as drugs were before.

9. Knowing the Bible is not at all the same things as knowing God.

When God wanted to reveal Himself fully; He didn’t give us a book; He gave us a person. He gave us Jesus.

Yes, we learn about Jesus through the Bible, but I have found that most Christians know more than enough about Jesus in order to live like Jesus in their lives.

Let us no longer be people of a book; instead let us be followers of Jesus.

And if Jesus invites us to put our Bibles down so you can better follow Him, who are we to disagree?

10. We don’t need more biblical literacy; we need more biblical love.

We don’t need more knowing; we need more doing. Personally, I don’t see the lack of biblical literacy as a bad thing; I see it as a clear sign that the Spirit is moving the churches. I see God leading people always from the pews and the Bible studies, and out into the real world where we can love, and serve, and laugh, and cry with the people who are out here.

Should we know the Bible? Yes. But it should never be our goal to know the Bible. The solution to biblical illiteracy is not to bemoan the fact of biblical illiteracy and then seek to make people more biblically literate. We don’t need people to know more about the Bible; we need to love more in accordance with the Bible.

How can they do this if they don’t know the Bible? Truthfully, you don’t need to know much about the Bible to learn to live with love toward others. Some of the most loving and caring people I know don’t know much about the Bible.

11. Many of the Biblically “Literate” are Biblically Illiterate

This sort of gets back to the question of what biblical illiteracy actually is, but when I listen to the pastors and professors who are decrying the lack of biblical literacy in the church, I am often amazed to hear what comes out of their very own mouths, and it makes me wonder how biblically literate they themselves are.

funny biblical illiteracy comicOne example: Is God on the side of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump? With either choice, you can find seminary-trained pastors and Bibles scholars who support one candidate or the other and use the Bible to do so, while accusing the other side of being biblically illiterate. I saw a post on Facebook the other day from a popular Northeastern Pastor who basically said, “How can any evangelical Christian support the racist, bigoted Donald Trump? Don’t you know what the Bible says?” And then he went on to quote some Bible verses which he thought should sway people to vote for Hillary.

Not ten minutes later, I saw a Facebook post come through from a popular Southern Pastor who said almost the exact same thing, but this time about Hillary Clinton. I don’t think he was responding to the first post by the other pastor, but the similarities were shocking. “How can any Christian who truly follows Jesus ever support Hillary Clinton?” he asked. “Don’t you know what the Bible says?” And then he went on to quote some Bible verses which he thought would influence people to vote for Trump.

Both of these pastors, I think, would agree that people are more biblically illiterate than ever before. One pastor, of course, would say that Christians who support Trump are illiterate while the other would say that Christians who support Hillary are illiterate.

Of course, my view is that both are illiterate. My view is that anybody who tries to use the Bible to pick a political candidate doesn’t really know the first thing about the Bible.

I listen to pastors condemn the lack of biblical literacy in the church today and then turn around and say the most outlandish things about God or Jesus, and even crazier things about people of other religions, political persuasion, or sexual orientation. Many people hear this and think, “If studying the Bible leads to those conclusions, I don’t want to study the Bible.” This is tragic, because in my view, studying the Bible leads to the exact opposite views about God, Jesus, and other people.

(This is the overall purpose of everything I write and teach, by the way, to rescue Scripture, theology, and the church from these twisted ways of thinking, and to show people that God looks just like Jesus, and Scripture, when properly understood, leads us to love.)

12. The phrase “biblically illiterate” is just a nice way of calling someone a heretic.

Christians often resort to name-calling tactics when they don’t want to have a substantive argument about the views of someone who disagrees. In the past, we called people heretics. We don’t do that much anymore. Well, some do. But most people realize that it is not quite as accepted as it once was to simply accuse someone of being a heretic. So they call them “biblically illiterate” instead.

When someone teaches something that is contrary to your view, rather than take the time to understand their perspective and then deal with it logically and Scripturally, and maybe even correct your own view in the process, it is much easier to just call them “biblically illiterate” and move on.

I get this all the time in my own writing. I occasionally write some challenging things on my blog, and it often seems that when I do, one of the first ten comments is from someone who says, “If you would just read the Bible, you would know how wrong you are. You are clearly ignorant of the Bible.” And then they quote a verse or ten which they believe disproves the point of my post. I sometimes comment back saying, “I have read the Bible and am quite aware of those verses you quoted. I just understand them a bit differently than you do.”

So the accusation of being “biblically illiterate” is often nothing more than a way to ignore or write off those people with whom you disagree so that you don’t have to consider their arguments or seek to understand their position.

The issue of homosexuality is a great example. It is not uncommon to hear the pastors who decry the lack of biblical literacy in the church today to also preach against LGBTQ people. Somewhere along the way they will likely make mention of the many Christians who do not condemn LGBTQ people, and rather than consider and respond to the arguments and beliefs of these other Christians, these pastors will just dismiss them with a wave of the hand and scornful comment about such views being “biblically illiterate.”

You see? The term is often little more than a way to dismiss the ideas and arguments of others so that you don’t have to consider their ideas and have a conversation with them.

13. The Biblical Literacy Tests Don’t really Test Biblical Literacy

Have you ever taken one of these Biblical literacy tests? I have taken quite a few. They often include questions like “How many people were on Noah’s ark? How many plagues were there? How many disciples did Jesus have? Matthew 5-7 is known as what? What is the longest Psalm in the Bible?”

bible studyThose questions are somewhat of a caricature of the real biblical literacy tests, but they’re not too far off.

But look at those. Such questions don’t really test biblical literacy at all. What they test is biblical trivia. And is that really what it means to be a disciple or follower of Jesus? That we can score 9 out of 10 on a Bible trivia test?

I think what we should be asking people about is not biblical literacy or biblical trivia, but biblical love, or better yet, love literacy. The true sign of a disciple is that we will be known by our love for one another. What good is knowledge of all things if we have not love?

I have some friends who would probably be classified as biblically illiterate by certain Christians today. They would likely get a 1 out of 10 on that Bible trivia test, and if you asked them anything about sound theology or central Christian teachings, they probably wouldn’t even get one point right. But they are some of the most loving people I have ever met in my life. They are more like Jesus than I ever hope to be. It ticks me off that someone might look at them one day and say that because they would not score well on a Bible Literacy exam, they are not really followers of Jesus. To me, those who say such things simply reveal that they themselves don’t know the first thing about Jesus.

I have another friend who is literally illiterate. He is in his late 70’s and he never learned to read. Furthermore, because his wife has a certain illness, he has not attended church since his mother took him when he was 6. He hasn’t been to church in 70 years. And because his wife is so sensitive to noise, he cannot listen to Christian radio.

So here is a guy who cannot read his Bible, cannot attend church, and cannot listen to sermons or preaching on the radio. I have had many conversations with him, and about the only thing he knows about the Bible is what he remembers from Sunday school when his mother took him as a child. He remembers the basic story about Jesus. That’s it.

But again, he is one of the most kind-hearted, loving people I have ever met.

Is he biblically illiterate? Of course! No matter which definition you use, he knows next to nothing about the Bible.

But he loves.

And when I talk to him, I see Jesus. He has hardly any money, but he cuts and delivers firewood to a friend of his who has less. He hands out pears from his pear tree to people who are hungry. He has faithfully stayed in a difficult marriage for more than 50 years. Talk about a picture of Jesus!

He doesn’t need to read the Bible. He doesn’t need to gain Bible facts and Bible knowledge. He can’t recite the 66 books of the Bible, nor can he list the 10 Commandments, or name the 12 Apostles.

He knows what he learned about Jesus in kindergarten, and that has been more than enough for him in the 70 years since.

14. I am more concerned with people developing a biblical worldview than biblical literacy.

I almost didn’t put this item in the list because I am about as uneasy with the concept of a “biblical worldview” as I am with the concept of “biblical literacy.”

Pretty much everything I have said above about biblical literacy can also be said about gaining a biblical worldview. No one can actually define it, and among those who try, they tend to use the concept of a biblical worldview to ignore or condemn those with whom they disagree. “Oh, well, you just believe that because you don’t have a biblical worldview. But I do.”

biblical worldviewOne big question I’ve been mulling over for the past five years or so is this “Is there such a thing as a SINGLE biblical world view, and even if so, is it a worldview that everyone should adopt? Is it the RIGHT worldview?” I am not sure the answer is “Yes” to either question.

Take the values of Honor and Shame. I did my Master’s Thesis on this topic. It is the dominant cultural value that permeates all of Scripture. The ancient world of the Israelites, and the world of the Greco-Roman culture, was guided and controlled by the values of honor and shame. It’s a value system based on community rather than the individual, and holds that the honor of the community is more important than the life, health, or well-being of any one person or family in the community. Modern western culture is guided by the opposite. We have radical individualism, and our goals are not honor, but materialistic wealth and individual happiness.

We might be tempted to say that the values of honor and shame are better, but are they? In today’s world, the Middle East is mostly governed by the values of honor and shame. Is there anyone in the Western world who thinks that Middle Eastern values are better? Not many. And yet, the values of the Middle Eastern world more closely resemble the values of the Bible, and therefore, the worldview of the Bible.

Look, worldviews are important. I think that understanding worldviews is more important than understanding Bible trivia and facts. That is why this item is on this list. But I want to be careful to say that just because we seek to understand our own worldview and the worldview of the people in biblical times, this does not mean that we are supposed to adopt the worldview of the people in biblical times. Their worldview was not necessarily better than ours.

15. Even Jesus and Paul argued against Biblical literacy

It’s sort of ironic that I am going to use Scripture to defend the idea that biblical illiteracy is not a problem…

The most biblically literate people in Israel were the Pharisees and Sadducees. Yet notice that Jesus tells them over and over in the Gospels that even though they are Bible experts, they know nothing about God, loving others, obeying the law, or the true meaning of the Scriptures themselves. He says, “You search the Scriptures daily, because in them you think you have eternal life, but these Scriptures speak of me” (John 5:39). If our reading, studying, and teaching of Scripture is not leading us to look, act, and love more like Jesus, then we are not properly understanding or reading the Scriptures and should probably just put them away for a while until we learn to love others more like Jesus.

Paul says that “Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up” (1 Cor 8:1) and later that even if we have all knowledge, and understand all mysteries, and can speak in other languages, but have not love, all that knowledge is nothing (1 Cor 13:1-3). Maybe we could add quoting Bible verses, knowing Bible facts, and scoring 100% on a Bible trivia test. These things are nothing without love.

It is not that Bible knowledge and facts are wrong. Paul is saying that when it comes to knowledge and love, start with love every time.

As a side note: it must be pointed out that Paul doesn’t just want “acts of love” but actual love. He says that even giving away your money and feeding the poor is pointless if not done with love (1 Cor 13:3).

Do you have anything to add about Biblical Illiteracy?

Yikes! I just looked at the word count, and this post is the length of a small book. It’s over 5000 words long! So I will end right here, and pass the pen over to you.

What do you have to say about biblical illiteracy? Is it a problem in the church today? Is it something we should work to correct? What are the dangers, errors, or problems involved? Weigh in below!

God is Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, Bible teaching, biblical illiteracy, biblical literacy, bibliology, church, Preaching

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Jesus told stories, and so shouldn’t we

By Jeremy Myers
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Jesus told stories, and so shouldn’t we

Yes, you read that title correctly.

I know, I know. Popular preaching advice tells you that “People learn through stories,” and that “You need illustrations to make your point.”

I do not disagree that stories and illustrations are helpful in preaching. But they are not always helpful …

I do disagree, however, that the reason we should use stories in preaching is because Jesus used stories. While He did tell stories, He didn’t use stories in His preaching. At least, not the way we think.

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Let me clarify by stating five points about the use of stories in preaching and teaching.

1. Maybe your sermons are too long

One reason it is true that people need stories sprinkled liberally throughout sermons is because the sermons are too long.

Like it or not, people have a short attention span these days, and the stories, jokes, and illustrations help keep people’s attention.

Stories help revive people’s interest in what you are saying, especially when it takes you 40 minutes to say it.

But what would happen if what you were saying was shorter? Maybe fifteen minutes? Or ten? Or *gasp* five?

Would you need tear-jerker stories and cute illustrations then? I think not.

Which makes you wonder … why is the average sermon about 35 minutes long? I have my theories, but that’s another blog post…

2. Yes, Jesus told stories, BUT …

Second, while much of the Bible is narrative, people often say that we should use stories because Jesus did, and He was the best teacher the world has ever seen.

I do not deny that Jesus was the best teacher, but I do question the logic of the statement, “Because Jesus used stories, so should we.”

Just because Jesus does something, this does not mean that we should do it too. But more than that, if you carefully examine why Jesus used stories, it was not to illustrate His point or to help His listeners understand what He was saying. No, Jesus clearly stated that the reason He spoke in parables was so that His listeners would not understand (check out Luke 8).

Jesus told stories so that people would be confused!

So if you really want to teach like Jesus, make sure you pick stories for your sermons that are confusing and mysterious and which hide your point rather than reveal it.

jesus told storiesIf you want to include stories and illustrations to help people understand what you are saying, this is fine to do; just don’t say you are following the example of Jesus.

3. The facts can teach too

Thirdly, while it is true that stories do teach, it is also true that just presenting the facts is also a great way of teaching.

While I often learn great truths from watching movies or reading novels, most of the things I have learned about theology came from reading books about theology, reading commentaries, and just studying the Bible.

I think there are large numbers of Christians today who learn similarly. They just want to know what the Bible says, and they don’t want a bunch of stories, illustrations, and jokes to get in the way.

4. The Bible is One Big Story

Fourth, the “Jesus told stories and so should we” argument often points to the fact that large chunks of the Bible are “stories.” This fact is used to bolster the argument that people learn by stories and we should sprinkle our teaching opportunities with stories.

But notice that when the Bible tells stories, it is not sprinkling a fact-based teaching with cute illustrations and funny jokes.

No, when the Bible tells stories, it tells a story and then shuts up about it.

Sure, there may be a point to the stories, but the point is often up for argument and open to interpretation.

So if you want to “tell stories” the way the Bible tells stories, then you need to make sure that your story is the teaching. If you want to tell stories like the Bible tells stories, then tell a good story and leave it alone.

I am all for using stories as a teaching method, but the best way to use stories as a teaching method is simply to tell a story. Stories as a teaching method are the stories themselves, not a regular teaching with a couple of stories sprinkled in.

5. Tell Good Stories

Finally, if you want to tell stories in your teaching, or as your teaching, make sure the story is a good one. The biblical stories are really good stories. They are full of mystery, intrigue, betrayal, sex, war, and everything else that makes a top-notch story.

tell good stories like JesusMost “Christian” stories are too sanitized to be any good.

This is why movies are so powerful today. This is also why (I am convinced) movies do more to teach people about life and relationships and theology than sermons ever will. Movies are (usually) well-told stories that are nothing but stories which people watch and have their life and thinking changed as a result.

Stories and Illustrations in Sermons

I am not opposed to using stories and illustrations in sermons. I use them myself when I preach. I think they do aid in the teaching and learning process.

But I think we Christians need to do some rethinking about why we tell stories and what sorts of stories we tell. But I wonder if people would learn just as much if our sermons were 80% shorter… or maybe if they were just one well-told story.

But whatever we do, whether we include illustrations or not, whether we preach for 40 minutes or 5, we cannot say that “Jesus told stories, and so should we.” He did tell stories, but not the kind of stories we tell, and not for the reasons we tell them, and not in the way we tell them.

If you truly want to tell stories like Jesus, do these three things:

  1. Your teaching time should be nothing but stories.
  2. Your stories should target religious people only.
  3. Your stories should be confusing so nobody understands them.

If you know someone who teaches that way, send me a link to their podcast, because I want to hear them.

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: illustrations, Jesus, Luke 8, parables, Preaching, stories, teaching

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Waaaaa! I’m not getting fed!

By Jeremy Myers
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Waaaaa! I’m not getting fed!

Vince AntonucciOver at the “All About Eve” blog, Eve asked me about getting fed as a Christian. I gave her a summary of the posts below, which were written by Vince Antonucci in 2008. These posts are classic Vince. (I hope he doesn’t mind me reposting them here … on his blog, they take up about 400 posts … so I compiled them all and put them here for your reading enjoyment.)

Oh, and full disclosure … I used to be one of those “I’m not getting fed!” Christians, and I encouraged this sort of attitude in the church I pastored. Why? Because I prided myself in being a pastor who provided good feeding. I praised people who came to my church from other churches because they wanted good preaching. I used to say, “We don’t steal sheep; we just grow the grass.”

Of course, today, I have a completely different view of preaching and church growth and how discipleship occurs … some of these changes I attribute to Vince Antonucci (who wrote an endorsement for my book Adventures in Fishing for Men.). Of course, though Vince pastors a church for people who don’t like church, even his church is too churchy for me. But that’s the point.

Maybe churches are not supposed to be a place for those who want to get fed. Maybe the Sunday morning “church” serves a particular role and particular function within the body of Christ to meet the needs of a particular group of Christians for a particular time. But beyond that, the Sunday morning event becomes unhealthy.

Let me be more specific: It is important to be fed spiritually … when you are spiritual baby.

But as you mature as a Christ-follower, you will hopefully become a self-feeder. That is, you will learn to feed yourself.

If a college professor has the same student in his class for 37 years, that professor is a failure. At some point, the college professor needs to pull that student aside and say, “You have learned everything you can from me. You have passed the class. It is time to move on and get started with life.”

So also, if parents continue to feed their children for 48 years after they are born (barring any special mental or psychological factors, of course), that parent is also a failure. At some point or another, those parents must show their children the door, saying, “It is time to be an adult on your own.”

I know that I have been negative in the past on the “institutional church” structure, but if there is one thing the institutional church does better than anyone else, it is the mass feeding of spiritual babes. I would LOVE it if the portion of God’s church which meets regularly on Sunday morning could make this a primary goal of theirs. They would bring in spiritual babes, teach them the fundamentals of the faith, and then kick them out the door. What if churches, instead, of trying to hold on to all the members from birth to the grave, instead held a “graduation ceremony” every year for those who had been there for 4 or 5 years and who were ready to launch out into the world as spiritual adults?

As the church, our goal should not be to feed people, but to mature people, which means they can feed themselves.

Anyway, here is Vince Antonucci’s (now famous) blog series, “WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed!”

But one warning first … Vince’s style in this series is … well … confrontational. Feel free to complain in the comment section below or directly to him on Twitter @vinceantonucci.

waaaaa im not getting fed

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 1)

I thought I’d share a few thoughts on the battle cry of my least favorite people, the church hoppers, shoppers, floppers, and stoppers … “I’m not getting fed.”

We’ve heard that quite a bit over ten years of Forefront, and I’ve gone through kind of an evolution of my thoughts on this topic.

For a long time I blamed myself and felt guilty about not being “deep enough” and thought maybe it was because I only attended seminary for nine months and can’t read Hebrew or Greek. (One ironic thing, though, is that I would sometimes “use” (i.e. steal heavily from) other people’s sermons, and often it would be guys considered “deep” preachers, or it would be a series from a church’s mid-week or “deeper” service, and people would still say it wasn’t deep enough.)

Then I started to blame the Forefront context. When you’re trying to reach people who are far from God it’s obvious. So, for instance, on a Sunday morning we’ll have some goofy videos (mostly for people who aren’t Christians) and we’ll carefully explain communion (mostly for people who aren’t Christians) and we have a rockin’ style of worship music (mostly to connect with people who aren’t Christians) and then we have a sermon. And even if the sermon is “deep” and really good for Christians, I think some Christians simply cannot see past the context it falls within. They realize that several other aspects of the service were not primarily intended for them, and that this church is passionate about non-Christians, and so it’s impossible for them to believe the sermon IS for them, even if it is. They’re wrong, but I understand it – it’s difficult to take anything seriously when it’s preceded by a dancing gorilla.

But as I talked to other pastors I realized almost everyone hears this complaint.

Even preachers who aren’t as shallow and uneducated as me, and even churches that don’t feature iPod Suppository commercials before the message. So I used to totally think it was I was to blame, or my church was to blame, and to some extent I still believe that’s partially true, but not as much as I did.

This caused me to take a closer look at the types of people who complain that they’re not getting fed, and increasingly I believe the problem lies in them. In the next few posts, I’ll explain why. Until then, leave big tips for your waitresses.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 2a)

Last time we started a series on people who say, “I’m not getting fed!” and I promised we’d start to look at the type of people who make that complaint.

im not getting fedBabies.

Babies complain that they’re not getting fed. When my kids were babies, my wife and I had to feed them. I had never been around babies and so this was brand new for me. Suddenly I was pretending a spoon was an airplane and a cheerio was a chug-a-chug-a-choo-choo! When we didn’t feed our babies on time, they let us know it. They cried. As they got a little older they learned not to cry about their displeasure but would verbalize it, “Ma-ma, I’m hungry. Da-da, feed me!”

Babies complain about not getting fed. My son is now nine and now when he’s hungry he asks, “Dad, can I get something to eat?” My answer, of course, is, “You’ll eat when you have a job and can pay for your own food!”

Only babies complain about not getting fed. There should be a progression in life, and in spiritual life, from needing to be fed, to feeding yourself, to being able to feed others.

And so when someone in a church says, “I’m not getting fed” my thought is, “Then you BETTER be a baby.”

It never is. The people who complain about not getting fed are never new Christians. Never. Isn’t that funny? The people who complain about not getting fed are never the baby Christians, but always the older, supposedly more mature Christians.

Can you picture if I, at 37 years old, called my mother every month or two and complained, “I’m not getting fed!” Or if I e-mailed her and said, “Sorry, but I’m leaving this family because I’m not getting fed. In fact, I haven’t gotten fed in some time here.” Sound absurd? Well, it’s the freakin’ reality in most churches in America!

I illustrated this in a sermon once. I started my sermon by carrying a baby up with me, and fed it a few spoonfuls of baby food. At the end of the sermon I asked for a volunteer. One of the Navy Seals in our church raised his hand, so I brought him up, sat him on my lap, and got ready to spoon feed him baby food. It looked totally absurd. And, again, that’s the freakin’ reality in most churches in America!

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 2b)

Earlier today I posted about how only babies need to be fed by another person, and only babies complain about not getting fed.

This reminded me of when I was a brand new baby Christian … (I was twenty-years-old) … and I was immediately put in a situation where I had to feed others. The reason was that I was leading people to Christ and, compared to them, I was the “long-time Christian” (even though I had only been a Christian for a few weeks!).

I had no choice, at least not that I knew of, and so I studied the bible like a mad man, put together studies and lessons, and gave them (as crappy as they may have been) to others. You’ve heard of the blind leading the blind, well this was the baby leading the babies.

And what I learned is this: A person grows WAY MORE from feeding others than they ever grow from being fed. So, I guess, if you want to really be fed – feed someone else.

Sometimes babies can feed others … but only babies should need to be fed.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 3)

Picture this: Tonight you’re watching the local news and you’re startled by the report: Every restaurant in your area is closing down. Not just your favorites, not just some, but ALL OF THEM. You would obviously be disappointed. Going out to eat is fun. And often the food you get in a restaurant is better than what you make at home. It’s also nice to have a night where you don’t have to make your own meal. And not having to pack your lunch everyday is a convenience you enjoy. So, of course you’d be disappointed.

But what if the next day a friend came up to you, “Did you hear that all the restaurants are closing?!? What will I do?!? I’m going to starve! I’m not kidding, I will die because of this! I can’t live without restaurants!” And you’re friend is serious. He’s not joking or exaggerating.

What do you think of your friend? That he’s got some serious problems, right? That he is ridiculously lazy, right?

Well, in my not so humble opinion, when a Christian says, “I’m not getting fed” this is truly what they’re saying. I mean, sure, it’s nice to go to church and get some bible fed to you. We all enjoy being lazy once-in-awhile. And most preachers can give you a better bible study than what you can do on your home at home.

So there’s nothing wrong with going to church and “getting fed.” But if you’re dependent on it, if it’s the only way you can get fed, if you don’t know what to do without it, you’ve got some serious problems and you are ridiculously lazy.

People who say, “I’m not getting fed” are lazy. Seriously, think about it. The people who say this only get 30 minutes with their preacher a week, but they expect their preacher to feed them. They have 167 ½ hours the rest of the week, but their spiritual sustenance is supposed to come from their preacher, in only 30 minutes. They can’t figure out some other way of getting spiritual nutrition the rest of their week despite living in a country where we can legally own bibles (and the average home has three!), where Christian bookstores are all over the place, and where the internet provides a never-ending supply of spiritual resources.

So, what kind of people say “I’m not getting fed”? Thumb-sucking babies, and pampered-pouting lazy Christians.

adult babies

Tomorrow I’ll tell you how I really feel. Until then, save me the aisle seat.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 4a)

So I’m doing the greatest blog series in the history of the world. The series is on what pastors hear so often, “I’m not getting fed.” Last time I asked: “Who says this?” and answered, “Thumb-sucking babies and pampered, pouting lazy Christians.” Today I have one more answer: Christians who miss the point.

What do I mean? Some people misunderstand “spiritual maturity.”

What do you think are the signs of a person who is truly spiritually mature? This is something I’ve studied and thought about a lot, and here’s what I’ve come to. The three greatest signs of spiritual maturity are: (1) Intimacy with God, (2) Obedience to God, (3) Serving other people. The way we’d say that at Forefront is, “Love God, Love People.”

Jesus said that all the commandments hang on this. Loving God is a relational thing and leads to intimacy with Him. (So it’s sharing His heart, and sharing my heart with Him.) Jesus also taught us that to love God is to obey His commands. (So one way to measure spiritual maturity is how quickly you obey God.) Jesus also said He came to serve and we’re to follow His example. (So getting past self-centeredness and learning to put others before ourselves is what we’re after.)

We could argue about this (I guess that’s what the comment section is for) but I’m sticking with my answer, because it’s what I’ve found in the Bible.

Unfortunately, this is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the definition most American Christians have for spiritual maturity. How do they define it? I’ll tell you later today. Until then, I’ll give you $5 if you can get yourself on Cops.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 4b)

So how do American Christians define spiritual maturity? I don’t know how it happened (but I’d be interested to find out*) but somewhere along the line we have equated spiritual knowledge with spiritual maturity.

We see this in all kinds of ways.

Who is in the person who leads the small group? Well, the person who knows the most, of course.

Who is revered in your church? The person who knows the most, of course.

Bible college professors are held up as spiritual giants. Why? Is it because of their intimacy with God? No. Because of their obedience to God? No. Because of their service to other people? No. We don’t know any of those things about them. What we know is that they know a lot. And that’s enough.

We believe the person who knows the most about God, the most about the Bible, is the most spiritually mature. And the only problem with that is that it’s wrong. Knowledge does not equal maturity. I have known lots of people who know lots about God and the Bible and are not remotely Christ-like. (And, by the way, I can think of someone who knows a ton about God and the Bible, could it be … Satan?!?)

Next time I’ll talk about how this misunderstanding of spiritual maturity has wreaked havoc for Pastors and churches and Muppets and people who press olives in Greece and …

* (this is a footnote!) – Do you think it’s possible that part of the reason we’ve defined spiritual maturity as knowledge is because that way we don’t have to obey? Instead of obeying what we know, we just learn more!

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 5a)

I said last time that in America we’ve (wrongly) equated spiritual knowledge with spiritual maturity. We think that the more you know, the more godly you are.

Because we’ve created that culture, we have Christians whose goal is to know more and more, and that’s why they come to church on Sundays. So … if our sermons don’t stuff more Greek and Hebrew and obscure (and probably useless) bible history into their heads, they’re not happy. (And many, many preachers are worshipping these people by giving them exactly what they want.)

So, actually, for these people, “I’m not getting fed” really means, “To feel spiritually mature (and superior) I need to expand my store of virtually useless bible information so I can impress my friends and win Bible Jeopardy and you’re not giving me the facts I need!”

This is SO ridiculous.

I also think it’s a MAJOR reason why so many Christians feel spiritually empty inside. It’s because they’re approaching Christianity like it’s something to be studied, rather than lived – and God becomes someone to know about, rather than to know.

Okay, I have to rant on this more, but I’ll do it a little later (in fact, two more coming today). If you don’t want to hear any more about this, I’ll understand if you stop reading my blog – but you’ll regret it for the rest of your life. So good luck with that.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 5b)

So earlier I started going off about how people define spiritual maturity as spiritual knowledge and how they end up feeling spiritually empty (and thus say, “I’m not getting fed!”) and it’s because they’re approaching Christianity like it’s something to be studied, rather than lived – and God becomes someone to know about, rather than to know.

Think of it this way. Let’s say my marriage is going poorly. So my wife and I go to a counselor. We tell him we don’t feel close at all and want more out of our marriage. So he says: “Here’s what you need to do. Each of you should hire someone to do a 30 minute presentation on the other each week. Attend that seminar, learn all the facts you can about each other, and your marriage will be great.” Good advice? No. The stupidest thing you’ve heard since you learned that Brittany and Jaimie Lynn Spear’s mother is putting out a book on parenting? Maybe.

The way to make a marriage better is … quality time together, really talking, listening to each other, having date nights, serving each other, submitting, finding common interests.

So when Christians don’t feel close to God and want more out of their relationship with Him the answer is a “deeper” sermon on Sundays? Are you kidding me?!? The answer is that you need to get “fed” by your preacher? Really?!?

“You should go to a church with deeper messages.” Is that good advice? No. One of the stupidest things you’ve ever heard? Maybe.

If thing with God really is a relationship (or anything like a relationship) than what we’re after is not knowledge, its intimacy. And you can’t get intimacy through a sermon.

Wait, I have another way of saying this. I’ll tell you later.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 5c)

Okay, this is like the 400th post in this series (sorry) but we’re talking about what spiritual maturity looks like and why people say, “I’m not getting fed” and how if you’re not feeling close to God or where you need to be spiritually, there’s no way my 30 minute sermon can help you.

crying like a babyEarlier I used a marriage as a metaphor, here’s another one: If you feel woefully out of shape physically, and once a week you attend a seminar on how to work out, or how to eat healthy, but then the rest of the week don’t live any different, can you complain about the seminars?

Of course not! A seminar can’t get you in good shape, you have to DO what the seminar is talking about, and you have to do it consistently.

And so … stop giving me your “I’m not getting fed” crap and go home and spend lots of time face-to-face with God, and you WILL grow in intimacy with Him. And then you’ll realize that there’s something far better than knowing about God, and it’s knowing God.

(Sorry, I lost it there for a minute.)

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 6)

So I’ve gone on and on about this “not getting fed” thing and I have to start wrapping it up. Here’s the question: What do we do when someone says, “I’m not getting fed”?

Well, I have two answers.

First, we need to make sure that we’re teaching people HOW to feed themselves. I’ve made it quite clear this last week or so that I don’t think it’s my job as a pastor to “feed people” on Sunday mornings. But I DO believe it’s the churches job to teach people to feed themselves. And so, when someone says, “I’m not being fed” I need to ask myself, “Have we taught this person to feed themselves? If not, then I have to take a lot of the blame for this, and I need to do something about it.

At Forefront, we’ve tried to make sure we’re teaching people how to feed themselves. For instance:

  • We do a sermon, or an entire series, almost every year on how to read the Bible. In 2007 we did “The Bible for Cavemen.” In 2006 we did a 3 part series called, “Off the Shelf and Into Myself”…
  • In our “Next Steps” class we have a session on how to have a “Quiet Time” of bible reading and prayer.
  • Each week in our program we provide six “ready-to-do” Bible studies that give you a passage to read, about six questions to help you dig into and apply the verses, and a study note or two offering background/context information.
  • This year we made and are going to distribute a “Pursuit” book, a spiritual growth handbook that teaches six spiritual disciplines, including bible study (why to do it, how to do it, etc.).
  • We had a guru at this kind of stuff come in and do sessions with our staff, and a session with leaders in our church, on how to develop intimacy face-to-face with God.

(I’m sure there’s more we could do — what are some of the ways you all are teaching your people to feed themselves?)

So when someone says, “I’m not getting fed” the first thing I do is ask myself: Have we taught this person how to feed themselves? If the answer is no, I’m the problem. If the answer is yes, well, we’ll talk about that next time.

WAAAAA! I’m not getting fed! (Part 7)

I think this is the last post in this insanely long series on the issue of people saying, “I’m not getting fed at this church.” Last time I talked about how I think it’s the church’s role to equip people to feed themselves, and if we’re not doing that, I need to take some blame for a person in our church who isn’t being fed.

However, if our church IS equipping people to feed themselves and a person still says, “I’m not getting fed,” – what would I say?

“Let me show you the door.”

Yes, I suggest that they find a different church.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve reached a point where I suggest that they find a different church. That may not be the most compassionate or pastoral thing to do, but I’ve got a bunch of people who want to experience intimacy with God, and want to obey Him, and want to serve people and change the world, and I need to spend some time with them, not with a lazy baby who wants me to help them succeed in bible trivia.

I hope I don’t sound too self-righteous, but it’s kind of like Nehemiah, when people were complaining about what he was doing and asking him to give them time and he said, “‘I am carrying on a great project and cannot go down. Why should the work stop while I leave it and go down to you?’ Four times they sent me the same message, and each time I gave them the same answer.” (Nehemiah 6:3-4)

I’m sure some people thought, “That’s not very Christ-like,” (yes, I know that there was no such thing as “Christ-like” back then) but Nehemiah was a man on a mission, and you weren’t on the mission you were off his radar.

Jesus told people that if they wanted to follow Him they had to carry a cross. We tell people that if they want to run with us, they have to feed themselves. Will that turn away some Christians? Definitely. Do we want to turn away Christians? Definitely.

I want to have a church full of two types of people: the lost, and missionaries to the lost. When someone goes to a foreign country to be a missionary, they aren’t going over there to get fed. They are going on a mission, and realize that they’ll have to feed themselves. If you’re gonna be a part of Forefront, you’re going on a mission and must realize that you’ll have to feed yourself. And if that ain’t you – don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Waaaaa Responses to Your Waaaaa Comments

There have been so many comments and questions on this series that I promised I would try to respond to some. First, let me first say that I don’t consider myself some kind of Christian Yoda who knows all, so I’m just sharing my thoughts, not the “right answers.” Second, I don’t have a ton of time right now, so I’ll only be able to respond to a few and only give short answers. Third, I may post a few of my favorite comments later during the day. So here we go:

“Why should people bother coming to church (on Sunday mornings) if the pastor isn’t supposed to feed them?”

Answers: Wow, there’s a lot. And I think this question actually shows how we’ve gotten confused about church… so: (1) I’m not saying the pastor shouldn’t feed people or that it’s wrong to get fed at church. I’m saying that it should be something extra for Christians, not what they depend on for their spiritual sustenance. Just like going to a restaurant is a nice change of pace to get fed on a lazy day and get some food you wouldn’t get at home… (2) I think we want to be a part of something bigger than ourselves, and meeting with other Christians on Sundays helps us with that – singing together, fellowshiping, etc. (3) Sunday mornings can be one of the places where the pastor gets to teach people how to feed themselves. (4) This is like saying: “If a basketball coach isn’t going to teach his players how to play basketball during half-time, why should the players even go into the locker room?” Well, maybe the players need to be inspired? Maybe they need to be reminded of what they already know? Maybe he needs to get in their face? Maybe they need some encouragement? (5) I could keep answering this question forever, I’ll stop.

“Does Forefront spend as much time developing Christians into missionaries as it does reaching out to non-Christians?”

Answer: No. But we need to. Please pray for us that we do a better job with this.

“Maybe lazy Americans … or single moms … or you name it … need to be fed by their preacher because they’re lazy … or don’t have time … or you name it.”

Answer: I feel for people who don’t have time or whatever, but the issue is one of intimacy with God. If I’m too lazy or too busy to spend quality time with my wife, we’re not going to have a great marriage. We could go to a weekly 30 minute seminar on marriage (or a weekly counseling session) but if we don’t spend decent quantities of quality time together outside of the seminar (or counselor’s office) we’re still not going to have a great marriage. So … even if you go to a church with the greatest preacher ever, if you don’t spend a lot of time with God outside of Sundays, you are not going to have a great relationship with Him. And it’s about a relationship with God. Now we can trick ourselves and pretend it’s about knowledge, but it isn’t.

“Why does Forefront produce people who have a ‘I’m not getting fed’ attitude?”

Answer: I think we produce less than most churches, but yes, we do have some. Why? Maybe because (1) We’re all naturally selfish and lazy (including me!) and so it’s easy to fall into this kind of thinking for anyone, and (2) Christian culture is so pervasive even our people get bitten by it – we live in an odd time where you can be exposed to other church’s preachers on the radio, podcasts, Christian books, etc. and so the church you go to is not going to be the only influence on how you think and approach God & Christianity.

“The last time I checked, God doesn’t talk back. Not lately, anyway.”

Answer: I disagree. God still speaks to us today. If not, it wouldn’t be much of a relationship, would it? God still speaks, the issue is whether we’re listening…

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: church growth, Discipleship, Preaching, teaching

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I’m so tired of hate speech and guilt trips masquerading as the Gospel

By Jeremy Myers
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I’m so tired of hate speech and guilt trips masquerading as the Gospel

angry preachers hate speechI listened to a sermon today in which the preacher (I’m not going to call him a pastor) said these things:

If you are going to follow Jesus, you need to stop hanging out with your non-Christian friends…

Gays are disgusting people…

God has called me to a new ministry…

On that last point, the preacher forgot to mention publicly that he got a $10,000 bonus for agreeing to go to this new area of ministry.

If I were a bolder person, I would have stood up and called him out on these points.

But I didn’t.

Instead, I took notes so I could write a blog post about it…

Look, here’s the point…

If you are going to preach hate, legalism, and self-righteousness, don’t do it in the name of Jesus, and don’t call it the Gospel. Of course, that’s probably asking too much.

When it comes to hate speech, legalism, and self-righteousness, Christianity has a corner on the market. 

The Gospel is good news. The center of the Gospel is the message of Jesus: that God loves everyone, has forgiven everyone, and extends infinite grace to everyone. If you claim to be a Christian but can’t preach that, it makes me think you don’t understand the Gospel.

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, evangelism, forgiveness, gays, gospel, grace, hate, homosexuality, love of God, pastoral ministry, Preaching

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