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God is Not Absent

By Jeremy Myers
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God is Not Absent

God seeks loveAs we try to understand the theology behind the idea that on the cross, Jesus reveals to us what God was doing in the Old Testament, we are in a section where we recognize that there are no “pat answers” to the problem of evil in the world, and that the situation is much more complex than most of us realize. I have about six points to a “Chaos Theory” which help us understand why bad things happen in this world.

In a previous post I suggested that God has a policy of non-intervention. In this post I want to emphasize that I am not presenting the “deist” view of God. I do not think that God is the cosmic clock maker who wound the gears of the universe to get things started and then left us to our own devices. The fact of God’s policy of non-intervention does not mean that God is off playing golf somewhere while we struggle on our own with wars, tornadoes, and terrorism. No, God is intimately involved in our daily lives, but this first point of the chaos theory simply argues that God is such a believer in having true relationships with His creatures, that He gave us true and genuine freedom within creation, so that we can choose to love and serve Him (or not).

Does this mean then that God does not act upon creation at all?

No! Quite to the contrary, God is extremely active.

God Woos Us

Like a lover, He calls and woos us to follow Him and His ways. He nudges, winks, and whispers. He paints pictures and writes poems. He invites us to imagine things differently than they are, and in so imagining, invites us to join with Him in helping our imagination become reality.

This process of thinking about the future with a divinely inspired imagination and then working with God to bring our imagination into reality is called The Prophetic Imagination by theologian and Bible scholar Walter Brueggemann. One of the reasons God gave us freedom and liberty is so that we could work with Him in bringing His rule and reign on the earth.

Prayer Invites God to Intervene

Prayer also is one of the means by which God has allowed us to change events. Sometimes God wants to act in a certain way, but the lack of prayer restricts His actions.

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Greg Boyd Stole My Book!

By Jeremy Myers
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Greg Boyd Stole My Book!

Greg BoydI recently started listening to the podcast of Greg Boyd. In case you don’t know who he is, Greg Boyd is a pastor of Woodlands Hills Church, theologian, scholar, and author of numerous books.

If he is so smart, how come he has to steal my books and ideas and peddle them off as his own?!!!

…Oh …. wait….  my bad.

Apparently, he taught it first, so I could be accused of stealing his ideas.

Oops.

I take it all back. Sorry, Greg!

Here is what happened…

When I started listening to Greg’s Podcast a few months ago, I also started checking out his blog every once in a while at ReKnew.org.

A while back, he posted a video in which he talks about a sermon he preached back in July. Apparently, he suggested something controversial in that sermon about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament. This led one lady to think he was falling into the Marcion heresy of rejecting the entire Old Testament, and so he posted this video in response to her question:

I watched the video on Friday night. As he summarized some of what he taught in that sermon back in July, I thought to myself, “Hmmm… this sounds surprisingly similar to what I have been writing about in my recent series on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament and especially in relation to what Jesus did on the cross.”

So, I went and downloaded the sermon, and listened to it yesterday during my commute to work. The Sermon is called “God’s Shadow Activity” and you can listen to it here. OR, if you prefer reading, check out the sermon transcript.

As I listened to the sermon, I noticed that Greg’s way of approaching the subject was somewhat similar to my approach. He wants to maintain the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture, and he wants to interpret the actions of God in the Old Testament through the interpretive lens of Jesus Christ — specifically what Jesus did on the cross.

As he went through his sermon though, I was not sure that he and I were arguing the same thing. He seemed to be arguing more for God’s divine accommodation to human ignorance and sinfulness. He basically argued that God did what He did in the Old Testament because Israel was not ready for the full revelation of Himself which came in Jesus Christ.

I see why Greg would argue this way, and I see the strengths of it, but I am uncomfortable with stating the problem in that fashion. So as the sermon went on, I began to think I was mistaken, that Greg and I were not arguing the same thing at all.

But then, right at about 50 minutes into the sermon (it is slightly more than 1 hour) Greg got into the subject of how to interpret the violent actions of God in the Old Testament in light of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and how to do this so that we can maintain the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture.

Gods Shadow ActivityAnd let me tell you, he NAILED it. He basically said the same thing I have been saying in my series on this blog.

Greg phrased things much differently that I have, but in general, we seem to be saying the same thing. His way of phrasing things is probably more careful, accurate, and theologically sound, but I would say that my way is more bold and courageous. Of course, I have less to lose than he does, and since nobody knows who I am, I will get attacked less.

Greg talked about how on the cross, and out of love for all humanity, Jesus took on the ugliness of sin. And since it is on the cross where Jesus most fully reveals to us what God is like, then we can believe that God’s ugly actions in the Old Testament are similar. He is not “doing” these things, but is taking the ugliness of Israel’s sin onto Himself. He inspires the human authors to write about Him in these ways so that He can paint the outline, or picture (Greg calls it a shadow) of what Jesus will do for all humanity on the cross.

So if you have questions and doubts about what I have been writing recently, I encourage you to go listen to Greg’s sermon. Maybe the way he phrases and explains the issue will make more sense.

As for myself, I was encouraged to see that someone else is thinking along the same lines. Maybe I am not a heretic after all…. or maybe both Greg and I are heretics… ha!

Either way, the argument could be made that Greg didn’t steal my stuff; I stole his! But I didn’t! Like Greg, I have been mulling this over in my head for years, and have written about it numerous times on this blog over the past few years, and only yesterday listened to his sermon where he laid out his proposal.

My book on the subject will most likely be out before Greg’s, but I look forward to reading what he writes when his finally gets published. I think he said his will be titled, The Crucifixion of the Warrior God. My working title is When God Pled Guilty (but this might change). My book will be out later this year (if all goes as planned). 

As always, if you want a free digital copy of the book when it comes out, you can get one by subscribing to the email newsletter.

And if any of you know Greg Boyd, tell him it’s okay, he can “borrow” my stuff any time he wants…

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Greg Boyd, Theology of God, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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God’s Policy of Non-Intervention

By Jeremy Myers
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God’s Policy of Non-Intervention

freedom GodBefore we can look at specific Bible passages regarding the violence of God in Scripture, it is important to develop a framework which helps us understand what is going on within and behind these violent texts. I have six points of this framework, which I call “Choas Theory.”

The first point of this Chaos Theory is this:

God’s Policy of Non-Intervention

The first principle to recognize about the violent events that happen in this world, whether they are naturally occurring events such as earthquakes and tsunamis or man-caused events like war and terrorism, is that none of these are caused by God. God does not orchestrate suffering, cause death, send storms, destroy lives, or bring about death. He allows these things, He even uses these things toward His good ends, but He does not cause them.

In the Beginning…

In the beginning, God set up a universe with genuinely free creatures, which can truly impact their surroundings—for good or for evil. The reason God did this is because if God wanted real relationship with His creatures, ones He could love and who could love Him in return, there was no other way to do it. Relational love, if it is to be real love, must be free love. Love that is forced is not love; but something closer to psychological rape. Real love cannot force itself on others; nor can it force others to love in return.

Since God wanted true and genuine love with us, He gave us true and genuine freedom. God knew the risks of such a gift. In fact, based on His divine foreknowledge and His experience with the rebellion of the angels, God knew that His gift of freedom to humanity would likely result in our rebellion as well. And it did. But when Adam and Eve sinned, God did not step in to stop them. To do so would have been to deny their genuine freedom. Freedom isn’t freedom if God stepped in to stop things when freedom is used in wrong ways.

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Chaos Theory and Violent Scriptures

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Chaos Theory and Violent Scriptures

Though I have proposed a solution to the problem of divine violence in the Old Testament, this solution only helps explain a small number of the violent texts in the Bible.

Understanding the rest of the violent texts requires further information about God and the kind of universe He created. It all fits within the frame of Jesus, but we must have the full picture of what is going on so that we can consider each problem passage in the context of the whole.

Chaos Theory

chaos theorySo before we look at any specific passages, I want to briefly present a framework for how to understand what is going on behind many of the violent and destructive passages in Scripture. In this post I will present the basic framework, and in the following couple of posts I will present what I call the “Six Principles of Chaos Theory.” Only then will be well prepared to begin looking at some of the violent texts of Scripture to see how they do not reveal a violent and bloody God, but a God that looks surprisingly like Jesus Christ.

The big picture context is that the world God created is a chaotic place.

We humans desire neat answers and tidy solutions, but like it or not, this is not the type of universe God has provided. While it is popular to point out that in Genesis 1 God took what was formless and void and filled it with beauty and light. He brought order to the chaos. The truth, however, is that there was still quite a bit of emptiness and chaos in God’s good creation. Even before sin entered the scene, the universe was a messy place. This is revealed partly by the very fact that sin could enter God’s good creation.

To say, as some do, that God’s universe is a giant machine in which every cog and wheel moves directly under the control of God means not only that every leaf falls and every butterfly flaps its wings at the direct command of God, but also that Adam and Eve sinned at the direct command of God along with every sin, rape, and murder committed since. Such a view makes God a moral monster, and against such a God the only righteous response is atheism.

God, the World, and Relationships

chaos theoryThankfully, this is not the God that created the world, nor is it the God portrayed in Scripture, nor especially is it the God revealed in Jesus Christ. The true God, the God who created heaven and earth, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who raised up Kings and Prophets in Israel to carry His message, the God ultimately revealed in Jesus Christ, and carried now by the Spirit through His Church, is a God of infinite love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness, long-suffering, patience, kindness, and grace. This is the God who desires a relationship with each person on earth.

But real relationships require freedom. Not the fake “programmed” freedom, where we are actually robots who think we are free but are actually carrying out pre-planned instructions without wavering from our course.

No, God has given us genuine, creative, interactive, relational freedom. And yes, there are limitations to this freedom. Human freedom is within the bounds of God’s overarching divine plan, and even within our freedom there are certain restrictions so that we are not as “free” as God. I have no desire to get off into the weeds of this philosophical discussion. The point for now is that one of the results of genuine freedom is an increase in potential chaos.

This chaos is what helps explain much of what goes on in violent Old Testament texts.

An Analogy from Jurassic Park

chaos theory jurassic parkAn analogy might be helpful. You probably remember the scene from “Jurassic Park” where the wild-eyed scientist, Dr. Ian Malcom, talks about “chaos theory” and illustrates it by watching drops of water roll off his knuckle. He shows that even though the drop of water lands in the same place each time, it rarely goes in the same direction.

His point was that science cannot accurately predict all possible scenarios of any situation, and that the natural order of the universe depends in many ways upon chaos. In any given situation, there are a nearly infinite number of variables which affect the outcome. Since nobody can completely know all these variables, nobody can ever with absolute certainty know the outcome of any particular event. Though there are large, governing rules of the universe which tend to guide all actions and behaviors (such as the laws of gravity and entropy), the nearly infinite number of other variables can often lead to unforeseen outcomes and unexpected results. In other words, not everything can always be explained.

When Bad Things Happen

The same holds true for when bad things happen in this world. In any given event, there are a nearly infinite number of variables which led up to that particular occurrence. The vast majority of these variables can never be known by anyone except for God. He alone, as the only omniscient Being, knows all the variables and causes of any particular event.

Nevertheless, just as in science there are some overarching governing rules of the universe which tend to be active in all situations and events, so also in trying to understand some of the bad things that happen in life, there seem to be some overarching rules which guide and govern these actions.

I believe that the idea presented in the previous posts (see the list below) is only one of these rules. In other words, it is a governing rule that just as Jesus took the sin of the world upon Himself so that He might bear the sin and shame for all, so also God did this in the Old Testament by taking the blame for the sinful actions and behaviors of the people who lived during that time. This rule helps us understand some of what is going on in the Old Testament texts.

However, this is only one of the governing rules. Just as gravity is not the only law of the universe, so also, there is not just one explanation for why bad things happen in this world.

Though I have said that God takes the blame for the sinful actions of human beings, and even inspires people to write that He told them to do these things when He really did not, this guiding principle does not explain every evil situation that takes place in the Old Testament, or in the rest of history. Just as gravity is not the only rule of the universe, so also, Jesus becoming sin for us is also not the only rule for why bad things happen in this universe.

So in the following few posts, I want to present some of the other governing rules.

In any given situation when a bad thing happens, not only is there a nearly infinite number of small variables swirling around that event, but there are also a number of larger, governing principles which may be active, and which help explain why some of these bad things happen.

And just as it is impossible in the physical world to know with certainty why a drop of water runs down the right hand side of a knuckle instead of the left hand side, so also, we can never know with absolute certainty why some bad things happen in this world.

Nevertheless, if we understand some of the larger variables and governing rules that are at work, we can arrive at something close to an answer for why bad things happen.

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: When God Pled Guilty

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Violence of God and the Love of Jesus

By Jeremy Myers
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Violence of God and the Love of Jesus

violence in Old TestamentThis is a summary post from much of what I have been writing over the past two weeks or so about the violence of God in the Old Testament. The reason I am summarizing it is because I want to begin looking at some of the key biblical passages which are affected by my proposal to see how we can read and understand these texts.

I know that most of your questions and objections to this view have not been answered, but hopefully as we look at some the key texts of Scripture, what I am proposing will make more sense.

So here is the summary…

Violence of God in Light of the Love of Jesus

When we read about God telling Israel to go slaughter men and women, the natural, right, and godly response is to read such depictions with revulsion, loathing, and disgust. Neither Jesus nor God ever wanted such things to occur. Jesus never laid a hand on anyone to harm or hurt them, nor did He ever command His disciples to do anything of the sort. To the contrary, Jesus always helped, healed, comforted, restored, fed, loved, and forgave, and He always commanded His disciples to do the same.

In previous posts (see the list below), I have argued that since Jesus fully reveals God to us, we can also be certain that God never actually commanded the Israelites to kill and destroy, or to go to war with their enemies. But when Israel set out to do these things, God took the blame for their actions by inspiring the biblical authors to lay the guilt fully in His hands. The violent things that God commanded the Israelites to do in the Old Testament were not actually His will or His commands. The Israelites set out to do such things because this is how nations and countries behaved at that time (and still sometimes today). When God saw that their heart was set on doing these things, God issued the command for it to happen so that later generations could lay the blame for these bloody deeds directly on God Himself.

Though God is not directly guilty for these actions, He knows that He is indirectly responsible, for He created a world where these sorts of actions are possible. So He takes the blame by commanding human agents to carry out the violent actions which they had already set their hearts and minds to doing.

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