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Conversion from Senior Pastor to Church Dropout

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Conversion from Senior Pastor to Church Dropout

Jason Boyett at “Oh Me of Little Faith” has posted my “conversion” story on his blog today, which is not not about how I became a Christian, but about how I left the pastorate and ended up where I am now at. It’s kind of more of a deConversion story. I haven’t ever shared too much of this story on this blog, since much of it is still painful and… even a little embarrassing (I’m not sure why).

Anyway, go on over there and read the post. Here is an excerpt:

Through a series of events described below, I left my Christian job, abandoned my goals of pastoring a church, and rejected several aspects of my Christian beliefs and practices. I didn’t convert to another religion; I just left what many think of as Christianity. But for me, leaving Christianity is what allowed me to better follow Jesus.

 

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Theology - General

Call Someone a Fool and Go to Hell?

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Call Someone a Fool and Go to Hell?

Jason was one of my best friends in Junior High and High School. He and I played a lot of tennis, listened to a lot of rap, and played a lot of Nintendo. I still remember when we beat Mega Man 2 in one day.

In our Sophomore year of High School, one of his favorite sayings was, “You Fool!” When Mega Man died, he would shout at the TV, “You fool!” When I aced him in tennis (he was better than me so it rarely happened), he would shout across the net, “You fool!” When we were learning to drive and someone cut him off in traffic, he would shout at them, “You fool!” He said it in jest (most of the time), and it became his signature saying.

Until one day our Sunday School teacher at church read Matthew 5:21-22. The last part really got Jason’s attention: “Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.” When our teacher read that, everyone laughed and looked right at Jason as he squirmed in his seat and looked abashedly at the floor.

After that, I never heard him say, “You fool” again.

What did Jesus really say?
In my “core group” today, we read and discussed this passage. Not surprisingly, they were shocked at what Jesus said. How can he say that simply for calling someone a fool, they will go to hell? That’s impossible! Too difficult! Jesus is crazy!

We had a long, spirited discussion about this, and some of them remembered what we discussed last week. In the end, I had to bring in some Greek and Jewish background information (I have a love-hate relationship with doing this, which maybe I will write about someday).

I personally don’t think this passage (or the next one about adultery) has anything whatsoever to do with burning forever and ever in a lake of fire while Satan and his minions poke you with pitchforks to see if you’re done yet (“Nope? Note done yet. Put him back on the flames for another million years! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-hahahahaaa!”). Jason will be pleased to hear this.

The word that Jesus uses in 5:22, 29, 30 is gehenna. It refers to the Valley of Gehinnom outside of the city of Jerusalem which, in the days of Jesus, was the garbage dump. People dumped all their refuse and waste out there. It was probably full of rats. Lepers might have scrounged through there. And every once in a while, to try to remove some of the stench, someone would light it on fire, and it would burn andย smolderย with acrid smoke for months on end. It was a wasteland, a garbage heap, a pile of burning filth.

Jesus is saying that when you call someone a fool, when you look lustfully at women, it destroys your life. While such actions, if they are followed to their logical end, may lead to murder and adultery, by the time you get there, you will have done so much other damage to your life, your friends, your relationship, your spouse, your job, your children, your health, your finances, and everything else in life, that you life will basically be aย gehenna. A burning wasteland of filth. Or, to quote one of the other guys from today, aย $#!+hole.

Don’t put your life in the dump
We all know it’s true. What happens in your marriage when you call your spouse a fool? Or how does your boss like it? How about your children? Your friends? That’s right. Life goes down the toilet real fast.

You treat people like they are only objects to be used, stepped on, objectified, abused, slandered, cheated, lied to, and then discarded, and eventually, you look around, and find that you are the one who has been discarded. You are the one in the wasteland. You are the one in gehenna. You are in a living hell.

So I know some are going to disagree with me on this. That’s okay. But if you think Jesus is really talking about a literal torment in flames for all eternity for calling someone a fool, just be careful what you say when you disagree.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, Discipleship

The Missional Attractional Church

By Jeremy Myers
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The Missional Attractional Church

Yesterday I hinted that I have seen signs of the megachurch model (let’s call it “attractional” for this post, because lots of churches use the model, but are not yet mega) being able to adopt some of the simple, organic, humble, service-oriented values that are often found in the house-church model. Let’s call these values “missional” even though not all house churches are missional.

David Fitch wrote a post today about how this could look. He says:

[The] attractional gathering is for celebration, inspiration, the creating of vision, and spurring on of momentum. Missional communities (groups of 20-50) on the other hand do community, local missional engagement, training and discipling well.

He goes on to say that

The attractional gathering is limited…to at most once every 4 weeks or once every six weeks. IT IS NOT THE CENTRAL ORGANIZING EVENT OF THE CHURCH. Indeed, the organic missional community in the local context is the local organizing force. The attractional event fulfills a unique role of celebration, inspiration, the creating of vision and spurring on that comes from the momentum. It plays its role and it is clearly subordinated to the missional community in the life of the church.

This is what I’m dreaming about! I could get involved in a “megachurch” like this where the missional communities are the core, and the attractional gathering is the optional meeting.

Alan Knox wrote something similar about two months ago in a post called “Why I’m Not a House Church Proponent.”

My hope is that each church will consider their current method of meeting together and attempt to change that method however necessary to help one another begin to encourage, teach, admonish, serve, and build up others. If this happens among a group meeting in a house, then great! If it happens among a group meeting in a school, awesome! If it happens in a church meeting in a big building with a steeple, fantastic!

So, no, I am not a house church proponent. However, I am a church proponent: I plead for the cause of allowing Jesus Christ to build up his church through all of those meeting together, not just through a few. I am a church enthusiast: I am an ardent supporter of the church gathering together for the purpose of the whole church helping one another grow in maturity in Jesus Christ.

That’s right. It doesn’t matter if you are a church of 10 or 10,000. The point is to meet together to encourage, teach, admonish, and serve, whatever the model. Currently, it seems to me that the house church model has the fewest barriers to this, but I see encouraging signs of attractional churches making genuine steps toward a more missional mindset.

Are you aware of any “missional-attractional” churches in your area that see the large-group gathering as “optional” and the missional community involvement as the focus and core of the church? I want to hear more!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship

The Humanizing Church

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The Humanizing Church

I am a guest blogger today over at “The Ooze.” Do me a favor and go check it out. Use the Facebook plugin to comment.

I’ll see you there!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, Theology of the Church

Upgrade Your Church

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Upgrade Your Church

If you tried to get on my blog within the last 36 hours, or on the forum over at GraceCommentary.com, you might have noticed a lot of errors and slow load times. Why did this happen? I tried to upgrade my sites. I added some elements that I hoped would make them run faster and smoother. Instead, the sites pretty much shut down.

So, I reverted them back to the way they were. The site still loads slow… but at least it works.

All of this got me thinking about church. When the church began 2000 year ago, things were good. Disciples were made. People believed in Jesus. The gospel spread. But over time, several things happened in culture: other religions developed innovations, scientific discoveries were made, governments changed hands, and wars were fought. The Christian leaders at the time thought that to keep up with the changes they were observing in culture, they also should innovate and change.

20/20 Hindsight
Looking back now, we see all the thousands of little innovations and tweaks that got us to where we are now. The pews, the buildings, the clergy, the politics, the money, the power, the liturgy, the bells and smells, the holidays, the dress code, the rules, and everything else that we think of as “church” was at one point, someone’s minor little innovation to help them make disciples.

But, just like with my website, some of these innovations, though good and helpful and added with the best of intentions, have become unnecessary coding on the life of the church. Rather than speed things up, they slow the church down. We get bogged down in ritual, rules, regulations, none of which are biblical, but which many believe are necessary to “run the church.”

Church Plugins
As a result of all these unnecessary plugins, we have come to the place today where people get tired of waiting for the church to load, and just move on to something else. They’d like to get involved or comment, but even once the page loads, it takes too long to register, and read all the comment policies, and sign up for the openID, and then, once they finally got to write a comment, they had to squint their eyes and try to decipher some funny-shaped letters which were meant to keep out computer spammers (digital heretics), but all these letters do is frustrate those who are trying to join the conversation. Even then, after they decipher the funny code to prove they are human (true believers), they are told their comment is being held for moderation (the pastor has to approve it).

So, they utter a curse word, make a mental note to not ever read your blog again, or attend your church again, and head over to Facebook or read their favorite blog about beer.

This is one of the reasons people are abandoning the church in droves. It is not that they are unspiritual or don’t care about God, the Bible, and Jesus. They do. It is just that we have made it too difficult for them to get involved and be heard.

Two Responses
Many churches are not even aware that this is going on. They notice attendance is falling, but think it is just because the big church down the street stole all their people, or the community is dying, or people are too busy, or whatever. But some churches are realizing that things need to change. And of those who do, there are generally two approaches to change.

1. Make Church Cooler
First, some churches try to innovate more. They get nicer buildings to compete with the work-out clubs, dance parties, and beer fests that the community seems to love. They add strobe lights and fog machines and state-of-the-art sound equipment to compete with the concerts. They get funny and obnoxious speakers to compete with the political comedians and comedian politicians. In essence, these churches believe they just need to add more plugins and get a cooler layout, and their readers will return.

And let’s be honest. For some of them, it works. They become huge. They get book deals, magazine covers, and radio spots. All the churches in the country try to follow suit.

But the nagging question still remains…are they actually making disciples and advancing the kingdom in a better way…. or are they just bigger, richer, and more popular? The answer is that we don’t know yet. Time and history will tell.

2. Revert Church Back
There is another approach, however. One that is gaining strength and popularity. This is the house church movement. Those in this camp see all the innovations and plugins that have been added over the past 2000 years, and see the the load on the server that these cause, and so decide to get back to the basics, strip it all away, and start over. No technology (or very little, anyway), no clergy, no budgets, no buildings, no sound systems, no lights and fog machines. Just people getting together to live life and follow Jesus.

I am not opposed to this approach. In fact, I am currently part of it. But I get real uncomfortable with the reasoning and logic behind much of the house church movement. ย It seems that many house churches, having rejected the historical innovations of the church, simply reverted back to the way things were at the beginning. ย Just people, meeting in their homes, sharing food and fellowship, discussing Scripture, and praying for one another. The logic seems to be that if it was good enough for the church in the beginning, it should be good enough for today.

I couldn’t disagree more. I agree this is how it was in the beginning. There’s no denying it. But here’s the problem: although the Bible reports how the early church functioned, the Bible does not require us to do it the same way. The early church did what they did for hundreds of reasons, but one of them was not “This is the one right way to do things forever and ever.”

My Church Position
So why am I (somewhat) part of the house church movement? Not because Frank Viola wrote a book about the pagan roots our church practices. Frankly (pun intended), I love some of those pagan practices and see much spiritual value in them. Nor am I part of the house church movement because I dislike sermons, songs, and stained glass. To the contrary, I absolutely love all three. I desperately miss good expository preaching. And I’m not part of the house church movement because I read about house churches in the Book of Acts. I do read about it there, but so what?

I am part of the house church movement for one main reason. I believe it offers the best and most streamlined way of reaching our culture for Jesus and helping people follow Him. Let me be even more honest. Five years from now, I might realize that there are ways to plug my convictions aboutย disciple makingย and following Jesus into theย mega-churchย model, and that it offers the best way of reaching our culture and helping people follow Jesus. I actually see signs around the country of this happening already, and am optimistic that some mega churches will be able to make the transition. If so, maybe I’ll join one.

What is the best way to make disciples?
Bottom line, there is the one factor I primarily consider when looking at a church model. I ask, “Is this the best way to draw people to Jesus and make them fully-devoted followers of Him in this culture?” In Greco-Roman culture of the first few centuries, I look at house churches and say, “Yes. That was the best.” After the conversion of Constantine in 312 AD, I look at the inclusion of church buildings, liturgy, and clergy, and say, “Yes, that was the best.” And elements of that model truly were best for about the next 1700 years. Through the Middle ages, and through the Enlightenment, and the Modern era, that model worked quite well at making disciples.

But about fifty years ago, the world-wide culture began to radically change. Like it or not, the church must recognize the reality of our postmodern culture and how that impacts our mission in the world. This post is already too long, but by my analysis, the best church model in a postmodern culture is one that focuses on a few things: simplicity over complexity, service over power, humility over arrogance, generosity over greed, inclusion over exclusion, and loving relationships over faceless masses.

I think the house church model presently does the best to fit the cultural challenges. And notย surprisingly, there are lots of similarities between our culture and the Greco-Roman culture of the first three centuries, so it makes sense that the house church model, which was so effective then, is also effective now.

Don’t Revert. Upgrade!
Transitioning to a house church model is not a “revert” back to the way it was in the book of Acts. It is actually an upgrade from the institutional model to a more streamlined, service-oriented, all-inclusive, everybody-has-a-say operating system with fewer scripts, plugins, coding errors, and restrictions. And definitely no “Are you human?” codes to decipher.

So, have you upgraded your church recently? If so, how is it functioning?

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, Theology of the Church

This post has nothing to do with Washington’s Birthday

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This post has nothing to do with Washington’s Birthday

1. Don’t forget to enter the drawing for a free copy of NT Wright’s, The Challenge of Jesus (with DVD)
Just post a response comment over on the review post, and you’ll be entered. The drawing is this Friday.

2. A few weeks ago, I agreed to review a copy of Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality by Wesley Hill. I jumped the gun a bit a posted my review two weeks too early. The review is posted here, if you want to read it. Here are the others who took part in the review:

  • Peter Ould โ€“ An Exercise in the Fundamentals of Orthodoxy
  • Canโ€™t. Catch. My. Breath.
  • Blogging Theologically
  • Ponderings by Andrea
  • Simul Iustus et Peccator

If you are curious about the book, you canย Read a sample PDF, or interact with the author onย Wesleyโ€™s Tumblr or Twitterย @WesleyHill.

3. On the subject of being gay and Christian, I was amused by a post today over at “Jesus or Squirrel.” It’s funny how we pick and choose which passages of Scripture we follow and which ones we ignore. ย Click on over there and see what I mean.

4. I just noticed….this is my 500th post!!! Yay! I feel like I should celebrate somehow.

5. Oh, and Happy Birthday, George Washington. OK, so I lied in the post title. This post does have something to do with Washington’s birthday.

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Blogging, Books I'm Reading

Gauging Church Efficiency

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Gauging Church Efficiency

In an era where people are cutting budgets and becoming energy efficient, the church must do the same. I’m not talking about the electric bill and “going green.” One area of waste, fraud, and abuse within the church is the money and time that people give to church programs. Are we truly getting a significant return on our vastย expendituresย in these areas?

Studies show that on average, a church has three conversions per year for every 100 people who attend. These are actual conversions, not just people transferring from one church to another. Based on this statistic, let’s look at how much money and time churches spend on average to gain these three conversions.

Money
It is estimated that the cost of running a church is about $1700 each year for each regular attendee. This number is within ballpark range for small churches and mega churches. A church of 50, with a building and one pastor, costs about $85,000 per year to operate. A mega-church, like Rick Warrenโ€™s Saddleback Community Church, costs $34 million for 20,000 in weekend attendance. Do the math to see if these numbers hold basically true for your church. You will probably be “within the ballpark.”

So if the average church gets three conversions for every 100 people, and the average church expense for 100 people is about $170,000, then the average expense per conversion is over $50,000.

Yes, yes, I know. A lot more is going on in church than just evangelism, and a lot of the money is spent on discipling those who believe. But still, one of the goals of discipleship should be evangelism. If people are being adequately trained, then the money spent on their training should result in a greater number of conversions. But it is not.

So the question becomes: Would you support a non-profit organization which had the stated goal of โ€œevangelizing the lostโ€ but spent over $50,000 for each convert? I donโ€™t know about you, but I would have difficulty supporting such a ministry, especially if they had been doing this for 2000 years and their effectiveness became worse and worse over time.

Speaking of time, let’s look at an asset of the church even more valuable than money.

Time
Aside from the money spent on church, consider the cost in time. Though many spend only an hour or so in church activates per week, others spend much more. Some, such as the staff, devote 60 hours or more each week on church activities. Of course, this is their job. On average, a church member spends about three hours per week on church activities. This does not count the time they spend getting ready for church, driving to church, and going out for lunch after church. Nor does it include personal Bible study or prayer time during the week. This is time they actually spend in the church building or in a designated church program.

Three hours per week isnโ€™t a whole lot when you realize that the average person watches that much television every single night of the week. But still, it appears that even these few hours spent on โ€œchurchโ€ accomplishes very little.

Three hours per person per week results in about 150 hours per year. So 100 people spend about 15,000 hours per year on “church activities.” Taking the average conversion rate of three conversions per 100 people, about 5000 hours go into each conversion. When you realize that a full-time job (40-hours per week) fills 2000 hours per year, each conversion takes two-and-a-half years of work-hours.

So again I ask, if you were supporting a missionary who had one conversion every two-and-a-half years, would you continue to support that missionary?

Yes, again, I know that some missionaries labor for 40 years without seeing a single missionary. But these stories are often followed up with the fact that when a new missionary arrived on the scene, they see hundreds or thousands of conversions in the first few years of work, not because they figured something out that their predecessor did not, but because the faithful missionary of 40 years had prepared the soil, planted the seed, and watered the ground. The new missionaries on the scene just happen to be there for the harvest. So statistically, we do expect the average conversion rate for missionaries to be much less than one conversion every two-and-a-halfย years.

Is this a good use of time and money?
Is all of this time and money really a good investment? Possibly. No price is too high for the single soul, and a lot more goes on in the typical church than just seeking conversions. For that $1700 and 150 hours per person, the people who attend also get friends, fellowship, encouragement, support, guidance, and spiritual education. So maybe it is all worth it.

But what if there were a more efficient way of providing all of this, while at the same time, seeing more people become followers of Jesus? In the coming weeks, I will propose a few.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Books by Jeremy Myers, Close Your Church for Good, Discipleship, Theology of the Church

Who is the Son of Man?

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Who is the Son of Man?

Luke 6:1-5 in my commentary writing has been killing me. I’ve been working on these five verses for four months. I got stuck on deuteroprotoย in Luke 6:1 for three months, and then for the past month of so, I’ve been studying up on the title “son of man” in Luke 6:5. I have finally come to a conclusion, tentative as it may be. Here is what I concluded:

When Jesus speaks of โ€œthe son of man,โ€ he is referring not only to himself, but to all humanity as well. A theologically-guided dynamic equivalent translation of โ€œthe son of manโ€ could be โ€œI, and all humanity with me.โ€

I have posted my brief explanation over in the Grace Commentary Dictionary, and would appreciate your feedback.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Commentary on Luke, Theology of Jesus

Repost Your Blog Content and Make a Few Dollars

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Repost Your Blog Content and Make a Few Dollars

I don’t know if this is a good idea or bad idea. What do you think?

After getting approved to write for The Examiner, I started looking for other similar websites. In the process of searching I found several sites that I could not only write for, but could also simply repost my blog content on their site… and get paid for it. Oh sure, I might only make few bucks a year off it, but a side benefit is that posting my content on other sites might also help boost my readership here.

In the last week, I have received two emails from people who have found my content on these other sites, and have started reading my blog here as a result. It’s only two, but it is two people that went to the trouble of sending me an email…which means there might be lots more.

Anyway, I’ll let you know later how it is going, but if you want to sign up and start writing for these other sites, here they are.

  • Yahoo Associated Content
  • Bukisa.com
  • Xomba.com –ย UPDATE: This site does not allow duplicate content that has already been published, even if it was by you…which means I will no longer be using them.
  • Triond.com – UPDATE: This site does not allow duplicate content that has already been published, even if it was by you…which means I will no longer be using them.
  • Squidoo.com (This one takes some time to understand and set up.)

If you go to these sites, you see that all I really do is take an old blog post, edit and rework it a bit, and then post it on these other sites. It takes about 10 minutes. Do you know any other sites like this? What do you think of doing this? Is it a good or bad idea? If you join one or more of these sites, let me know, and we can “friend” each other.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Blogging

Jesus says Weโ€™re all Doomed

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Jesus says Weโ€™re all Doomed

In my Scripture reading group yesterday, we discussed Matthew 5:17-20 which concludes with Jesus saying that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. As always with this group, I tried to say as little as possible.

After reading the four verses through, we went back and started reading and discussing the verses one at a time. The first three verses generated lots of discussion about the Jewish law and the results of keeping or breaking it. But the final verse threw the group into an animated discussion.

Eventually, one of the guys said, โ€œIf I understand Jesus right, weโ€™re all doomed.โ€ There was further debate about this, but eventually, the group consensus was that Jesus was not painting a rosy picture. If Jesus was right, and if we understand what he is saying, everybody is doomed.

One person asked how I understand these words of Jesus. After affirming their conclusion, I told them that others had also struggled with the truth that nobody can keep the entire law, and so either we are all doomed, or God must have made another way. I then took them over to Romans 3 where Paul talks about this. It was exciting to see the group grasp the idea that they were faced with two options: either try to keep the whole law (which was impossible) or accept justification by faith in Jesus.

We then went back to Matthew 5 and I introduced the idea that most likely, Jesus wasnโ€™t talking about eternal life anyway. The โ€œkingdom of heavenโ€ is not the same thing as getting eternal life, being justified, or going to heaven when you die. Instead, it probably refers to the rule or reign of heaven on earth, here and now, in the life, and in the new heavens and new earth when they come. So the kingdom of heaven is not some pie-in-the-sky, go-to-heaven-when-you-die dream of an afterlife. The kingdom of heaven can be a living reality now for people who live according to the way that Jesus outlines in his sermon. The early church seemed to have understood it this way, as in Acts 1-4, where we see them live according to many of these kingdom principles. This idea really got the group excited, and we spent the next half hour or so dreaming and discussing what this might look like in our own lives and communities.

The discussion reiterated to me once again that Jesus, as difficult as it sometimes is to understand Him, still inspires the thoughts and imaginations of all people who take him seriously.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, Discipleship, Theology of Salvation

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