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3 simple words to say to an atheist who criticizes Christianity

By Jeremy Myers
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3 simple words to say to an atheist who criticizes Christianity

A while back, a man sent me a question about how he should respond to his atheist son who has nothing but criticism for Christianity. He told me that he had read several books of apologetics, had used numerous arguments for the existence of God, and had tried to show his son all the important things that Christianity had done in the world over the past 2000 years.

Despite all the evidence for the existence of God and the arguments for the goodness of Christians, this man’s son was still not convinced, and remained an atheist. The son pointed out to the father all the hateful things that Christians said and did, as well as all the violent things that God commanded in the Bible. As a result, the son told his father that he could never believe in or follow a God like that or trust anyone who represented him.

This father wrote to me to see if I had any insight into what he could tell his son to show him how wrong he was.

There are two possible ways I could have answered him. First, there is this possible answer:

arguing with atheistic criticism of Christianity

Somehow, I don’t think the flowchart above would help any atheist. Sadly, such a flowchart is the route many Christians choose to use when arguing with atheists.

So below is the edited and revised version of what I actually invited this Christian father to tell his atheist son:

My son,

You wrote about all the mean Christians you know, and how we have done and said so many hateful and hurtful things in history, and even in our own day.

You also wrote about all the violence in the Bible which was done in the name of God, and apparently by His command, and how abhorrent this appears to be.

Regarding these issues, I have only three words to say:

You are right.

You are right that there are lots of people all over the world and throughout time doing lots of horrible things in the name of Christianity.

And there is no point in me saying that all those people who are doing these evil things in the name of God are wrong, for they would probably say that I am wrong for disagreeing with what they do in God’s name.

So all I can do is agree with you.

Those hateful things should never have been said. Especially not when said “in the name of Jesus.”

Those hurtful deeds should never have been done. Especially not “in the name of Jesus.”

And while I do believe in God, I believe in the God revealed in Jesus, who looks nothing like the violent deity of the Old Testament. This doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in the Old Testament; I do. I just think something different is going on in those ancient texts than what most Christians assume. But whatever the Old Testament texts teach, they do not and should not give Christians a license to act like the devil in the name of God.

Here is what I believe:

I believe that Jesus called us to love people unconditionally.

I believe that any time anybody claims to follow Jesus but they do not love people, they are not following Jesus.

I believe that if what I practice is true, then these practices will help me love others more.

Yes, I know that there are lots of “religious” things about Christianity with which you object. But please know that none of that is important if it doesn’t help me love others like Jesus.

If these other religious activities do not help me love others like Jesus, then I hope that one day I am able to weed them out of my life as you suggest and become more like you. If they don’t help me love others, then they probably aren’t true. And If they do help me love others, I hope you will be able to see it in my life by how I treat others.

I love you,
Dad

I do not think that what I wrote will help this man’s atheistic son become a Christian, but it will certainly help the father live more like a Christian.

And that’s the point, isn’t it?

Christianity is not about proving others wrong, but about proving others are loved.

Do you have atheists friends or family members? I invite you to take a similar approach with them. Agree with our atheist critics! Admit and confess to the numerous places where Christians have got it wrong, and state that the only real goal of following Jesus is love.

If you do this, you may come to realize that maybe, just maybe, atheist are more in tune to the Holy Spirit than Christians are, and that maybe, just maybe, God is calling Christians to follow Him more closely through the prophetic voice of the atheist.

God is Redeeming Church, Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: atheists, Christianity, following Jesus, love like Jesus, love others

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What I Appreciate About Pagans

By Jeremy Myers
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What I Appreciate About Pagans

This post is part of the March Synchroblog, in which each participant writes what they appreciate about another religion. I chose to write what I appreciate about Pagans.

Who are the Pagans?

Christians often refer to any non-religious person as a “pagan” or a “heathen.”

Odin
This is a drawing of Odin, the Pagan deity who hung on a tree and sacrificed his eye to gain wisdom so that he might rescue the world from evil giants.

But did you know that there really is a “Pagan” religion? And no, they don’t worship the devil, cut themselves with knives, or sacrifice virgins in the woods. They do often worship out in nature, and tend to follow the ancient beliefs and practices of Nordic mythology. Don’t know what that is either? Think “Vikings.” They have various gods and goddesses, among which are Odin, Thor, and Freya. They use runes to help them make decisions and understand the times. Many of their stories can be found in The Poetic Edda.

If you have heard of Paganism in the news, it might be in connection with racism. It is true that some white supremacists call themselves “Pagans,” but most members of the Pagan religion denounce the beliefs and behaviors of this racist fringe, and have nothing to do with them. Just like certain radical, hate-filled, and violent people claim to be “Christian,” but have nothing to do with the teaching of Christ, so also, some racists claim to be Pagan but are not representative of the entire group.

pagan christian calendarNow that I live in the Pacific Northwest, I have come to know many people who consider themselves “Pagan.” They are not atheist, godless people, but are quite devout, religious people. As I have had various conversations with them, I have come to respect many things about them and their religion, and believe that there is much that Christians can learn from Pagans. (If the truth be told, Christians have already borrowed a huge chunk of Pagan beliefs and practices. Most deny that this is so, but denying the truth doesn’t make the truth disappear. But this is a topic for another post.)

Here are three things Christians can learn from Pagans.

1. The Rede (or Rule) of Honor

Pagans have a great sense of honor. They understand the importance of honor, how to gain honor, and how to pass it on to their children. They have rules, or guidelines, about how to treat others with dignity and respect, and how to preserve freedom so that all can live a joyful, productive, and vigorous life.

I believe that there is very little honor left in many forms of Christianity. To a large degree, Christianity has become a materialistic, consumeristic religion, which values money, wealth, possessions, power, and position above honor.

world tree

2. Many people connect with God in Nature

I love nature. I love being in nature. I have always felt closer to God when I am in nature. I can pray better, think better, and listen better when I hear the wind in the trees, the bubbling of the brook, and the call of the squirrels to one another in the branches.

I so wish that Christians would feel the freedom to get out of their stained-glass sanctuaries with professional choirs and padded pews, and get into the wild of nature where God builds His own stained-sunset sanctuary every night, orchestrates his own music, and pads his fallen logs with moss and the ground with pine needles.

Why is a man-made building an “approved” meeting place for Christians, but the God-made house of nature not? Why is the music of man to God considered worship, but not the music of a bird welcoming the morning or the sound of snow falling in the woods?

paganism I think many in Christianity would greatly benefit from a move into the woods. Not so that we can destroy the peace of nature by singing our songs and listening to sermons there (God forbid!), but so that we can listen to the songs already being sung, and see the sermons already being preached. Yes, see. I never go into nature without seeing sermons everywhere I look.

3. No required or mandatory services.

While many Pagans have certain prayers they say or practices they observe on a regular basis, there is no hierarchy of priests and pastors who tell everybody else “This is the right way. Do it this way, or else.” There is great flexibility and freedom for each person or group to believe and practice how they feel best.

This sounds scary to most Christians, because if we just let everyone do what they want and believe what they want, won’t people believe and practice all sorts of crazy, heretical, outlandish things?

Yes, they will. And how does that differ from the way things already are? The way things are (and have always been), Christians believe and practice all sorts of crazy, heretical, outlandish things, but people feel like it’s “okay” because they have priests, clergy, and seminary-trained pastors who teach them to believe and do these things.

Nevertheless, one group argues with and condemns another group. They point fingers at each other, call each other nasty names, and condemn each other to hell. (Which is one of the beliefs we borrowed from paganism, by the way. They call it Hel. I find it SO ironic that the same Christians who condemn Christmas and Easter as being “pagan” religions, condemn to hell anybody who observes these holidays, when most Christian beliefs about “hell” are also borrowed from paganism!)

When one Pagan encounters another Pagan who believes and practices Paganism differently, they might argue a bit about these things, but in the end, they both just shrug their shoulders and decide to “live and let live.” I love this, and am trying to follow Jesus this way in my own life as well. Just as I believe Jesus is leading me to live a certain way, I trust that He is able to lead and guide others also, and I have to believe that He may lead them in a completely different direction than He is leading me.

Do you have any “Pagan” friends? Have you ever encountered people who are part of the “Pagan” religion? Let me know through Facebook or Twitter by sharing this post below.

Here is a list of the other participants in this month’s synchroblog:

  • Mark Votava – How Christianity Can Learn from Buddhism
  • Justine Steckbauer – Christianity and Other Religions: Many roads or exclusive path?
  • Glenn Hager – The Thing About Labels
  • Clara Ogwuazor-Mbamalu – What I Appreciate about Islam
  • Bram Bonius – What can Christians learn from neo-pagans and ‘magickal’ traditions?
  • Mictori – Buddhism Reshaped my Easter
  • Pastor FedEx – 3 Things Christians Learn from Other Religions
  • Leah Sophia – Land, Sun, Community, Crops
  • Kathy Escobar – Why I Love Interfaith Conversations

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: Christianity, church, pagan, religion, synchroblog

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CS Lewis on Christian Happiness

By Jeremy Myers
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CS Lewis on Christian Happiness

CS Lewis on Christian Happiness

Thanks goes to Eric Carpenter for this photo. His post also informed me that C. S. Lewis and John F. Kennedy both died on the same day.

I love this quote, but what I really love is that Lewis is smoking. I sure wish Lewis were alive today so he could weigh in on all that is going on Christianity.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Christianity, CS Lewis, happiness, religion, Theology of the Church

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All Religions Are the Same

By Jeremy Myers
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All Religions Are the Same

all religions are the sameIt’s true what they say: all religions are the same.

And make no mistake, I am including the Christian religion in with that. All religions are the same, including the Christian religion.

All Religions are the Same

All religions have at their core the idea that God is mad at the world and people have to do certain things to make God like them again. Usually, the good things that God wants us to do involve wearing silly hats, eating certain foods, and listening to some person talk for an hour before we give him money. This is true of any religion, whether Jewish, Muslim, Rastafarian, Santeria, Moorish Science Temple, Hindu, or… dare I say it? …Christian.

If you took away the hats, the robes, the names on the buildings, and some of the titles for “God” that different groups use, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between most of the world religions, …including Christianity. 

The objection to the claim that all religions are the same is that “Christianity isn’t a religion; it’s a relationship! It’s a way of life!”

Right.

Few Think They are Religious

But do you know that this is what almost every person of every religion says? Almost nobody of any “faith group” thinks they are in a religion. If you ask the average “religious” person if they are in a religion, no matter what “religion” they follow, almost all of them will say, “No, I am not not in a religion, I practice a way of life.” 

Nevertheless, almost everybody is in a religion, including most Christians. Most people believe God is mad at them for something they did or said, and they are doing certain things to try to make God happy again. The core of religion is that we can somehow pleas or appease God by our own good behavior or beliefs. If you believe that, then you are part of a religion, even you bear the name “Christian.” 

Of course, I do consider myself a “Christian” in the sense that I am a follower of Jesus. I just think there is a vast difference between what has come to be known as Christianity, and what Jesus actually intended.

And when it comes down to what Jesus intended his followers to be and do, and what the religions of the world do (including the religion of Christianity), there are a few major differences. There are things that sets Jesus and His followers distinctly apart from all religious groups in history, including those religious groups that bear the name “Christian.” 

What Separates Jesus from All Religions?

So what sorts of things separate Jesus followers from all other religions in the world?

all religions are the sameWell, I will tell you one thing that doesn’t separate us…. good works. You sometimes hear Christians say, “We are more generous, loving, kind, and forgiving.” That’s crap.

Sure, it’s true sometimes. But in my experience, some of the most forgiving, kind, and generous people I know are of some religion other than Christianity. Many of them are atheists.

You can always find another religious group that is behaves better than many Christians. 

So, it seems to me that the main difference between Jesus and every man-made religion in the world (including the Christian religion) boils down to one word: grace. But not the watered down grace you hear preached from pulpits and described in books.

No, the one thing  that separates what Jesus revealed to the world and what we see in all religious groups is one thing: indiscriminate, scandalous, shocking, outrageous, senseless, irrational, unfair, irreligious, ridiculous, absurd, offensive, infinite grace.

If you don’t hold to this kind of grace, it might be because you are part of a man-made religion, even if you call yourself “Christian.” 

I am someone who came out of the Christian religion and now follows Jesus on the way of grace.

As a reader of this blog, you are probably similar. Together, we challenge some of the ideas and practices of Christianity. We raise questions about what Scripture really teaches, what God is really like, and what it means to be the church in the world today. We look for ways to reveal the scandalous grace of God to the world, raising questions about justice, righteousness, forgiveness, and love. 

All religions are the same, which is partly why I am not part of any religion. I do follow Jesus, but try to do so in a religionless way. How about you?

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Christianity, Discipleship, following Jesus, free grace, grace, religion, Theology of Salvation

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A Word from the Lord

By Jeremy Myers
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A Word from the Lord

Ever have anyone tell you that they have a Word from the Lord for you? BEWARE! Usually, such words from the Lord surprisingly like personal opinion, and usually, the “word from the Lord” benefits or helps the person who shares it with you in some way.

a word from the Lord

I remember several years ago when my family was moving from one town to another, another Christian in town called up my parents and said that they had a word from the Lord for them. Apparently, God had told this person that my parents should give them their house. My mom responded wisely, I think. She said, “If God wants us to give you our house, He will let us know.” He never did.

Anyway, be careful and wary of people who have words from the Lord for you.  Such “words from the Lord” may even be what God meant by “taking His name in vain.“

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Christianity, church, humor, laugh, Theology of the Church

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