I interviewed Frank Viola for my podcast today. We discussed his new book,ย Insurgence: Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom, and as we talked, I literally got goosebumps because of some of the things he said.
You’ll need to listen to the podcast episode to see if the same thing happens to you.

Along with presenting some revolutionary ideas about the kingdom of God, baptism, the world system (principalities and powers), and how to approach the divisive political landscape today, he also explained the tricky texts of Luke 17:20-21 and Matthew 11:12.
These two texts say this:
Luke 17:20-21.ย Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them and said, โThe Kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, โSee here!โ or โSee there!โ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.
Matthew 11:12.ย And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
Listen to the podcast to learn what these verses mean.
Here are the links that were mentioned by Frank Viola in the discussion:
- (#AmazonAdLink) Insurgence (on Amazon)
- Insurgence Website (for more information and the bonus downloads)
- Frank Viola’s main website




When most Christians read this, they imagine the church as this impregnable fortress, with huge white granite walls, behind which all the people of God huddle together in safety as the forces of evil attack from outside.
It is not the church that is attempting to hide behind gleaming walls as against an invading army. No, it is Satan and his minions who are huddled behind their blackened walls, hoping that the gates will hold.
The terrible, tragic reality is that while the church gets so caught up in the debate about who goes to hell, and how long they will be there, and whether or not hell is a place of eternal suffering or temporary purification, we are ignoring the people living in hell on earth all around us.





Many Christians believe that these terms refer to โheavenโ itself, and more specifically, when Scripture talks of entering or inheriting the Kingdom, that this refers to going to heaven when we die.

A Christian who is refreshing to be around and a Christian who is fired up is a follower of Jesus know knows they don’t have it all together, who knows that they aren’t perfect, and who knows that there is nothing better than hanging out with Jesus as He leads us into the world.
So if a person believes in Jesus for eternal life, they are given eternal life by God. Even if they become a lukewarm believer, they continue to have eternal life. Yes, Jesus says He will “vomit” them out of His mouth (Revelation 3:16), but this has nothing to do with losing eternal life. Jesus is just continuing the imagery of the hot and cold water.