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Does Jesus condone the death sentence for children in Mark 7:10?

By Jeremy Myers
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Does Jesus condone the death sentence for children in Mark 7:10?

A reader recently sent in this question about Mark 7:10.

I was able to pre-order your book [The Atonement of God] and I can’t stop readingaF it! I am now on my third time around. It truly has continued to redeem my thought about our loving God, just like your blog. Thank you so much for blessing us with such a profound book.

Could you please help me with a passage I am having trouble understanding? Maybe you have written about it before, it’s Mark 7:10 where Jesus seems to agree with Moses “For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’” I love the way you have taught us to understand the Old Testament, but here it seems like Jesus is agreeing with Moses about “God’s law” to put someone to death if they do not honor father or mother. I now know God is not violent, so what am I missing?

Thank you so much for considering my question.

Mark 7:10Here is an expanded version of how I responded to him:

What I wrote on page 195 in the book helps explain Mark 7:9-11. On that page, I explain that according to the book of Hebrews, one reason Jesus came was to redeem sin, and especially a certain kind of sin, the parabainō type of sin. This type of sin is the sin of misusing the law. This was using the law in a way that allowed people to sin and in so doing, legally do the exact opposite of the spirit of the law.

In Mark 7:9-14 The religious leaders had found a way to obey the letter of the law while completely ignoring its intent. People were dishonoring their parents (and in a way, even cursing them to death), but were not being “put to death” in response. Quite to the contrary, the religious leaders were saying that it was okay for children to not honor their parents and provide for them if the money that would normally be used to do so was given to the temple.

Those who focus intently on the law almost always find loopholes in the law so that they can obey the letter of the law while completely ignoring it’s intent.

This is a parabainō sin, a transgression of the law, and was the main type of sin Jesus was concerned with in His ministry. The “sins” that most of us Christians are concerned with today were never really on Jesus’ radar. He was only concerned with the religiously approved sins which turned the law on its head so that people could “obey the law” while completely disregarding its intent.

So when Jesus quotes the law in Mark 7:10 about putting children to death for cursing their parents, He is not necessarily quoting it with approval, but is instead pointing out how the religious leaders were using the law to do the exact opposite of what the law said. These adult children were dedicating their money to the temple so that they didn’t have to support their parents in their old age. And the way the Corban law worked, they could keep their money until they died.

In effect, these adult children were cursing their parents to death, which was the exact opposite of what the law said they should do.

stoning children

Jesus responds to this situation by saying that if the religious leaders were really going to obey the law, these children who essentially curse their parents to death should themselves be stoned to death.

But then does this mean that Jesus agrees with what the law says on this point? Does Jesus condone the death penalty for children?

Well, first of all, it is the adult children of elderly parents who are in view.

Even still, I don’t think Jesus was saying that people should be put to death if they fail to take care of their parents. He doesn’t seem to be quoting that particular law from Exodus 21:17 favorably.

Instead, I think Jesus was simply pointing out that the religious leaders were not following the law at all, but were instead misusing the law in a way that allowed them to dishonor their parents, which was the exact opposite intention of the law (see 7:13).

What then would be the proper use of the law in these situations? What was the spirit of the law?

The law was focused on life. The goal of the law is life. The law didn’t want either children or their parents to die.

So the spirit of the law in this case would be that the children who had the money would not be allowed to dedicate it to the temple, but would be required by the temple and the priesthood to use the money to support their parents.

“Oh, but then how would the priests pay for the temple?” Maybe they wouldn’t. What’s more important, a building or your parents?

“Are you saying that people shouldn’t give to God?” No. What I’m saying is that giving to a temple is not the same thing as giving to God, and that God Himself seems to prefer that we use our money to support our family than for supporting the “work of the Lord” as the priestly class defines it. In other words, according to God, supporting your family IS the work of the Lord (cf. 1 Tim 5:4, 8).

Children “give to God” by supporting their parents; not by supporting a priesthood.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. What are yours? Provide your input in the comment section below.

God is Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: Bible and Theology Questions, capital punishment, Mark 7:10, violence of God, violence of Scripture

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Boners in the Bible

By Jeremy Myers
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Boners in the Bible

If you are offended by the title of this post, just stop reading here. It only gets worse…

And no, I’m not trying to be sensational or create a “click bait” blog post. I honestly have a question for you to help me on regarding … well … whether or not Genesis 2:21-23 mentions the erect phallus … aka “a boner.”

rib of Adam

As I work my way through Genesis 2 for my One Verse Podcast, I have been studying quite a bit about Adam’s “rib” in Genesis 2:21-23 and am wondering if the “rib” actually refers to a boneless boner. Right now, I am leaning away from such an interpretation, but the evidence for this understanding is quite compelling. I am presenting the evidence here because I want to know what you think …

Here is my thought process so far…

The Bible is a Sexual Book

We Christians often try to cover it up, but the Bible is filled with sexual euphemisms and innuendoes.

This isn’t something to be ashamed of, but to embrace and accept.

Why? Because this is the way life is, and the fact that Scripture reflects life helps us understand that the Bible truly is a book about life.

Besides, we Christians need to stop being shocked and ashamed of things that which Scripture doesn’t shy away from. Like what? Like boners, for example. Believe it or not, there is quite a bit of coarse joking about boners in the Bible.

I first began to see this because of my job.

phallus in human cultureI work with men. A lot of men. The place I work is 98% male.

It sometimes seems I can hardly go 20 minutes without hearing someone reference to the male sexual organ. There are jokes about length, girth, and size. There are titles, names, innuendoes, and euphemisms. At first I was shocked by this, but then I began to realize that the Bible talks this way too.

Such joking isn’t a result of a “sexualized” Western society. It is just the result of males being males. But we Christians think that such joking is coarse and crude and so we frown at those who make these jokes, and look down our pious noses at those who laugh.

But we better start looking down our noses as the Bible too. For the Bible also contains quite a bit of “locker room” jokes and off color comments. Even Jesus had some “potty” humor (cf. Matt 15:11) and sexual innuendoes (Luke 17:34).

A couple years ago, as I was reading through Scripture, I began to notice that there were numerous jokes, allusions, and euphemisms all over Scripture for the male sexual organ. I wrote a blog post about how no church would ever sing “Deborah’s Song” because it is so sexually suggestive. But it’s a song that God included in the Bible.

I later published a post (written by someone else) about how Jesus used sexual euphemisms to refer to two male lovers and two female lovers. Not surprisingly, I received quite a number of comments on this post who were outraged that I would suggest that Jesus talked about such things. Many of the comments were from people who were outraged at the suggestion that God’s Holy Bible contained sexual innuendoes and euphemisms. (I imagine I will get similar comments on this post, though I predict that few of these comments will also provide sound exegetical reasons for reading these texts differently.)

I argued in those posts, as I argue now, that we should not be surprised that the Bible contains references to sex. After all, God made sex, and sex is good. Also, the Bible is a book written by humans and for humans, and since humans throughout time and around the world all engage in sex and joke about sex, what would be really shocking is if the Bible didn’t talk about sex.

Anyway, as I was doing some research for my upcoming podcast on Genesis 2:21-23 (to listen to it, make sure you subscribe), I found a study by a Jewish Rabbi and Hebrew scholar who compiled a short list of “Euphemisms for Penis in Biblical Hebrew.” Here it is for your reading pleasure:

Euphemisms for Boners in the Bible

The Bible doesn’t contain the word “penis.” Post-biblical Hebrew uses the clinical term ebar (organ/limb) or ebar qatan (small organ/limb) but no such term exists in biblical Hebrew. Instead, the Bible uses innuendo and euphemism to refer to the male sexual organ. Here are a few of these:

regel, “foot/feet,”

Exodus 4:25: “and Zipporah took a flint and cut off the foreskin of her son and brought it next to his ragla.”

2 Kings 18:27 (cf. Isa 36:12): “Did my lord send me to say these words against your lord and to you, was it not to the people sitting on the wall who will eat their dung and drink from the waters of their ragleyhem.”

keliy, “instrument, tool”

2 Samuel 21:5-6: “There is no common bread at hand, only sacred bread if the young men have guarded themselves from women. And David responded to the priest, “Indeed, women are kept away from us as always when I go out, and the keliym of the young men are holy even on a common journey.”

qoten, “small one”

1 Kings 12:10 (2 Chr 10:10): “My qotonniy is thicker than the loin of my father.”

es, “stick,” and maqel, “staff”

Hosea 4:12: “My people inquire from their stick and ask counsel from their staff because a spirit of whoring made them stray, and they whored away from their God.”

yad, “hand”

Isaiah 57:8: “You mounted and you widened your bed … you loved their bed, you saw a yad.”

Isaiah 58:10: “You found the life force of your yad.”

sekobet, “lying”

Leviticus 20:15: “and a man who places his sekobet in an animal will be put to death.”

mebuwsiym, “embarrasments”

Deuteronomy 25:11: “The wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from his attacker, and she extends her hands and grabs his mesuwsiym.”

basar, “flesh, meat”

Exodus 28:42: “Let them make for themselves linen pants to cover the basar of nakedness.”

Leviticus 15:2-3, 16. This is a chapter dealing with genital discharges. Basar is the word that is used.

Leviticus 18:6: “Don’t approach the relative of your basar to reveal nakedness.”

Ezekiel 16:26: “And you whored with the sons of Egypt, your neighbors big of basar, and you multiplied your whoring to anger me.”

Ezekiel 23:20: “She lusted on account of their concubines, those whose basar is the basar of donkeys, and their flow the flow of stallions.”

yarek, “thigh”

Genesis 46:26: “All people … who came from his yarek.”

Judges 8:30: “And Gideon had seventy sons who came out of his yarek.”

The author of this book goes on to argue (quite persuasively) that the “rib” in Genesis 2:21-22 is another euphemism.

The “Rib” as the Missing Baculum

baculumIn his book, the Hebrew scholar points out that nearly all mammals and all primates (except humans) have a penis bone called a baculum. Ancient people would have recognized that it was missing from human males, and Genesis 2:21-23 is the etiological (a story to explain something’s origin … like how the skunk got it’s stripe) story for why human males do not have a baculum.

He shows that the word for “rib” (tsela) never means rib anywhere in the Bible, but instead refers to a plank, side, or beam in a building or boat. The word “rib” snuck into our translations through the LXX (the Greek translation of the Old Testament) and Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, and has become the traditional (and safe) understanding of this Hebrew word.

Now, I read some online articles that have discussed this idea, and I understand that people will think scholars are trying to get the Bible to say something different than what it actually says. But the truth is that the word “rib” is actually the result of scholars trying to get the Bible to say something different than what it actually says.

The Hebrew word in Genesis 2:21-22 doesn’t mean rib, and it never has.

boner in the BibleThis Hebrew scholar goes on to say that the word refers to the missing penis bone. The Hebrew people didn’t have a word for this bone like we do (we call it a baculum), and so they used the word tsela, which refers to a sideways plank, beam, or board. In other words, it would be another euphemism in Scripture. A boner without a bone…

Further evidence for this view is that when Adam sees Eve, he says “Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh!” The word for flesh there is basar, which is the most common euphemism in Scripture for the “meat” of a man. So when Adam cries out in excitement in Genesis 2:23 after seeing Eve for the first time “Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh!” … well … you get the picture.

So is this Jewish Rabbi right? Maybe. Lots of Christian scholars think so. Check out this book by three Christians who think that Genesis 2:21-23 does in fact refer to the first boner in the Bible.

Personally, I am leaning away from this understanding, but I wanted to put it out there for your input. Weigh in with a comment below…

One reason not to reject this view, however, is because it is shocking.

Don’t be shocked about boners in the Bible

We Christians sometimes get shocked by all the wrong things.

I was once listening to a sermon and the pastor said this from the pulpit: “Children are dying of starvation in Africa, and most of you in the pews don’t give a shit … But you know what is the saddest thing of all? Right now, most of you are more upset that I said ‘shit’ from the pulpit than the fact that children are dying in Africa.”

That pastor probably got fired for that sermon. After all, you can’t have a pastor who says shit from the pulpit. (Though actually … that’s probably what most sermons are … Ok. Ok. I’m sorry. That was a low blow.)

I am sometimes amazed at what Christians get upset over while completely ignoring the things we should be upset over.

I was reading an interview with George R. R. Martin a while back, the author of the Game of Thrones books and the popular HBO television series. He said that he finds it interesting and sad how people respond to the graphic nature of his books and movies. He said “I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

Think whatever you want about George R. R. Martin and his books, Scripture agrees with him on this one. Though Scripture also is both graphically violent and graphically sexual, it celebrates sexuality (read Song of Solomon) but condemns violence (when read with the proper crucivision lens). Yet some Christians get angry and outraged when a scholar says the Bible contains numerous allusions to a male boner, but they won’t blink an eye if a pastor uses Scripture to justify the bombing of our enemies.

If this post had been about how Scripture tells us to bomb Muslims, many would have praised it. But since it suggests that the Bible uses the ancient equivalent of words like “boner,” well, I can predict what sort of comments it will receive…

So, what are your thoughts?

Additional Resources:
–The Patriarch’s Nuts

God is Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: bible, Genesis 2:21-23, sex, violence

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[#32] Genesis 2:19 – The Imitation Game

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[#32] Genesis 2:19 – The Imitation Game
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We are seeing several foundational truths from Genesis 2 about how to understand life, theology, Scripture, society, religion, and culture. Last week, we saw the first truth, that we are built for relationships. This week we see the second foundational truth, which may be the most important one of all.

imitation Genesis 2:19

If you want to see how today’s foundational truth is applied to our understanding of theology, Scripture, and culture, I highly recommend you get my book on the Atonement from Amazon. It’s called The Atonement of God, and in it, I present 10 areas of theology that were affected in my own life when I came to understand the truth I am about to present to you today.

The Text of Genesis 2:19

Genesis 2:19. Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

In this discussion of Genesis 2:19 we look at:

  • A review of the 7 key activities of God
  • How God instructs us to imitate Him in carrying out these 7 activities
  • The foundational truth that humans were made to imitate
  • Why imitation has boundaries and dangers

Resources:

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  • Genesis 1:26 – The Seven Activities of God
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God is Redeeming God, Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: creation, Genesis 2:19, imitation, mimesis, mimetic rivalry, One Verse Podcast

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[#31] Genesis 2:18 – It is Not Good to Be Alone

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[#31] Genesis 2:18 – It is Not Good to Be Alone
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So far in Genesis 2, we have seen that God has set up his temple. The temple was finished in Genesis 2:17, which means that beginning with Genesis 2:18, the biblical story really begins.

In Genesis 2:18, we see something foundational for how God wants us to live life, and something shocking about God’s role in that life.

The Text of Genesis 2:18

Genesis 2:18. And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.”

In this discussion of Genesis 2:18 we look at:

  • The first thing in God’s creation that is not good
  • The first foundational truth about the human experience
  • What God did about Adam being alone
  • Seven truths from Genesis 2:18 about loneliness

Genesis 2:18 - not good to be alone

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  • Genesis 2:4-6 – The Second Creation Account
  • My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?
  • Was Moses Divorced?
  • fm Interview with Kathy Escobar
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God is Redeeming God, Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: alone, creation, Genesis 2:18, life, loneliness, love, One Verse Podcast, relationships

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[#30] Genesis 2:16-17 – The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

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[#30] Genesis 2:16-17 – The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
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As we look at Genesis 2:16-17, we will be talking about Jesus Christ and Him crucified and how His death on the cross reveals something about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil reveals something critically important about human nature. This episode of the One Verse Podcast shows how all of us eat from this tree every single day, and how through His crucifixion, Jesus invites us to stop eating the fruit of this forbidden tree.

Genesis 2:16-17 Tree of Knowledge

The Text of Genesis 2:16-17

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

In this discussion of Genesis 2:16-17 we look at:

  • Why God placed the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden
  • What the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is.
  • Why humans cannot handle the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
  • How to avoid eating this forbidden fruit today.

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  • Repenting of Religion by Gregory Boyd
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God is Redeeming God, Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: 1 Corinthians 2:2, creation, Genesis 2:16-17, Judging, One Verse Podcast, Tree of Knowledge

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