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Does Jesus Drown Babies?

By Jeremy Myers
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Does Jesus Drown Babies?

Andrea YatesRemember Andrea Yates? She is the mother who, in 2001, drowned her five children in a bathtub. She said that the devil had influenced her children, and so they needed to die.

A few years later, another mother, Deanna Laney, tried to kill her two children, claiming that God told her to.

Then there is the case of Victoria Soliz, who tried to drown her son in a puddle because Jesus told her to do so.

No Christian with their head on straight (or unless you’re John Piper) honestly believes that God actually told these mothers to kill their children. Nobody who really understands the message and ministry of Jesus, and especially His love for children, can imagine that Jesus wanted or commanded these mothers to do such horrific things to their babies.

And yet…

How strange is it that while we decry and condemn such actions by various people today, we turn around and tell the story of God drowning millions of babies (along with their mothers and fathers and siblings) in the flood story of Genesis 6-8?

Does this make any sense?

the-deluge-doreOn the one hand, we say, “There is no way God told these mothers to drown their babies,” but then we turn around and say, “God drowned millions of babies during the flood.”

Oh, but they deserved it, you see. Those babies at the time of the flood were going to grow up to be the devil. After all, haven’t you read what Genesis 6 says about the Sons of God having sex with the daughters of men? All those millions of babies were devil spawn! God had to drown them.

Yeeeaaah … that’s what the mothers above said too. Go read those articles I linked to. You’ll see. They thought their children had been influenced by Satan and so Jesus wanted them dead. Sounds eerily similar to our “explanation” for the flood, doesn’t it?

If we really stop to think about it, if there is absolutely no way that Jesus would be involved in a mother drowning her baby today, then there is absolutely no way that Jesus would be involved in the drowning of millions of babies in the flood.

“What are you saying, Jeremy?”

I am just saying that the flood event, as recorded in Scripture, looks nothing like Jesus. Does anybody disagree with that? You cannot find anything anywhere in the Gospels where Jesus acts or behaves in this sort of way toward anyone—and especially not toward children.

the waters of the floodI have talked about this with numerous people over the past couple years, and almost without fail, people who defend the divine origin of the flood point to Jesus entering the temple with a whip (John 2:15; Matt 21:12) as proof that Jesus was also involved in sending the flood.

Really? Overturning the tables of a few greedy moneychangers is the same thing as drowning millions of babies? I just don’t see it. The text doesn’t even say anything about Jesus using this whip on the moneychangers—or even on the animals! Oh, except for all the children. These Jesus whipped till they were bloody. NO! NO! NO!

In my conversations about this, people usually then turn to the book of Revelation and point out how when Jesus returns a second time, He is going to kill so many people that there will be a lake of blood 200 miles wide and as deep as a horse’s bridle (Rev 14:20).

Yeah… I’m thinking that if this is how we read the book of Revelation, we’ve probably misunderstood the book.

Jesus with babyIf Jesus is a God who drowns babies because “They’re the devil!” and then rides His horse through a lake of blood from His slain enemies because “They wouldn’t worship me!” (Duh! You drowned millions of their babies!), I’m just not sure this sort of God is worthy of our worship.

But I still follow and worship the God revealed in Jesus.

Why?

Because Jesus doesn’t drown babies. He doesn’t slaughter His foes and then ride horses through their blood. And He never, ever, ever tells us to do so either. And since Jesus reveals God to us, this means that God doesn’t do these things either.

So what about the flood? What about Revelation?

I’m working on it!

I can’t yet share what I think about these texts, but one thing I know for sure: We will never understand these troubling texts of Scripture, and we will never understand God, and we will never understand ourselves, unless and until we begin with the realization that Jesus does not drown babies.

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: flood, Genesis 6-8, Jesus, looks like Jesus, revelation, Theology of God, Theology of Jesus, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Would Jesus agree with Obama about Immigration Reform?

By Jeremy Myers
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Would Jesus agree with Obama about Immigration Reform?

Immigration is a huge issue right now.

One group wants all illegal immigrants to return to wherever they came from. Another side says, “No, we’re a nation of immigrants; let them stay.” Some from both groups want the government to secure the borders, and then figure out what to do with those who are in the United States illegally. Many from each group wonder about what millions of new immigrants will do our economy, our schools, our hospitals, and our welfare system.

All sides of the debate seem to have “God” on their sides, and all have their favorite Bible verses to quote.

This is one of those times that I wish Jesus was still around so that we could post the question to Him.

Jesus and Immigration reform

Of course, even if we did ask Jesus, I wonder if we would get a “helpful” answer. Jesus always had a way of sidestepping the big debate points, and focusing instead on what was really at stake.

Jesus would probably do the same with immigration reform and amnesty. Jesus would come up with an approach that looks like Him. That is, a way that somehow both abides by the law and provides jobs and care to those who need it.

So as I try to figure out what my stance on immigration and amnesty should be, I find myself trying to find an approach that looks the most like Jesus. Below is my attempt (please provide your OWN input in the comment section below).

Jesus and the Constitution

Jesus probably wouldn’t care too much about issues related to the constitutionality of amnesty for immigrants.

Frankly, according to the constitution, Obama had no legal right to do what he did. Everybody know this, as he himself has previously stated.

But Jesus likely wouldn’t comment on this. Remember, Jesus lived in an era when two Caesars in a row had effectively “wiped their arses” with the Roman constitution by removing all power from the Roman Senate and consolidating that power in themselves. The first was Julius Caesar and the second was Caesar Augustus.

It appears that Jesus pretty much just shrugged His shoulders and lived within the new order that had resulted from this fundamental transformation of the Roman Empire. I suspect He would do the same today were He an American citizen living under the reign of a “Constitutional Scholar” who ignores much of the Constitution.

You can probably see where my feelings lie, but we’ll put that aside…

What about the issue of money and the economy? What will happen if we add 5 million new workers to the system?

Jesus and the Economy

Again, one side of the debate says it will be good to have 5 million new tax-paying people. Right now they are working and not getting taxed. If we add them, then we can tax them. The other side of the debate says, “Tax them!? They won’t be taxed. Most of these immigrants have low-wage jobs. They won’t be making enough to get taxed. Therefore, instead of paying into the system, they will drain it. They will get the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Child Tax Credit, Social Security benefits, Medicare, and Welfare.”

If Jesus were asked, He would probably say something like “Give to Obama what is Obama’s and give to God what is God’s.” People would shake their heads and say, “Whatever that means…”

The point is that Jesus would probably not weigh in on the tax benefits or tax liability of granting amnesty to immigrants. Jesus’ basic approach to taxes seemed to be this: “It’s just money. What matters most is what you do with your life.”

He likely would not have cared too much that adding millions of low-payed workers to the citizenry would do very little to add tax revenue to the governmental coffers while at the same time, adding great expense and cost to the education, health, medicaid, medicare, social security, and welfare systems.

He would likely point out that these were all bankrupt anyway, and we shouldn’t put our trust in government programs.

Maybe He would wonder why new immigrants were only getting low-paying jobs. But when the “Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour!” crowd starts cheering, Jesus would not side with them either, pointing out that requiring businesses to pay their workers more only puts more workers out of work.

Probably, Jesus would call on business owners and CEO’s of companies to become more generous with their money, for you cannot legislate generosity.

But the real question then comes back around to immigration reform…

Jesus and Immigration Reform

What would Jesus do about immigration reform?

I suspect that if asked, Jesus would bring out an family of illegal immigrants and say, “I forgive you.”

The liberals in the crowd would huff and puff and say, “He forgives them? What audacity! They haven’t done anything wrong! They are only here because they want a better life and our country has abused and misused them for far too long! Forgive them indeed! They should be forgiving us!”

The conservatives in the crowd would also be indignant. “Forgive them? You can’t forgive them. You have no right to forgive them. They have broken federal laws, which cannot be simply forgiven by some religious teacher. We can either enforce the laws or change the laws, but we cannot simply forgive people who break the laws!”

Then Jesus would turn and say to those on the left, “I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. You believe they have a right to be here, to get jobs, and to feed their families. That is well and good. So you give them something to eat. You provide for their needs. Do not force others to take care of their needs; you take care of them yourself.”

And just as those on the right were starting to smile smugly to themselves, Jesus would turn to them and simply say, “Let him who is without sin take this family back across the border.” Then Jesus would pull out his iPad and start scrolling through Facebook messages and Twitter feeds of those who were standing by. He would load up items they had purchased on Amazon, and webpages they had visited. One by one, the conservatives in the crowd would melt away until none were left. Then Jesus would turn to the family of immigrants who stood nearby and say to them, “Are there none here to escort you back across the border? Then neither will I escort you. Go and live according to the law.”

immigration reform

What’s the point?

The point is this: Immigrants are already here. It is neither wise nor possible to round up all illegal immigrants and send them back across the border.

The liberals are right that these immigrants should be taken care of. But they are wrong in trying to force all people to take care of them. Jesus affirms their feelings about immigrants, but tells them to practice it themselves rather than force their feelings on everyone else.

The conservatives are right that the immigrants have broken the law. By the letter of the law, they should be rounded up and deported. But they are wrong in thinking that the law trumps love. It doesn’t. Jesus affirms their feelings about the necessity of obeying the law, but puts the law of love above the law of of man.

Jesus wouldn’t even speak about the constitution or the economy. These things change and shift all the time. But the love of God is eternal. Money comes and goes, as do rules, laws, and governments. But the love of God is eternal.

This is why Jesus would focus on love.

What to Focus on with Immigration and Amnesty

Will amnesty hurt our economy? Maybe. Maybe not.

Will amnesty cause unemployment to rise? Maybe. Maybe not.

Will amnesty create millions of new Democratic voters? Maybe. Maybe not.

Jesus does not ever address these sorts of issues, because Jesus doesn’t care about hypothetical “what ifs” about the future.

Jesus always and only cares about one thing: the person in need who is standing right in front of him.

However you feel about immigration reform and amnesty, Jesus invites you to do one thing: Keep your eyes open for immigrants in your community, and then look for ways to love them. Whether the government decides to legalize them or deport them, your only responsibility is love.

Immigrants arriving on our shores (whether legally or not) don’t need screaming crowds and waving signs (from either perspective). They need love, just like the rest of us. This is how immigration reform and amnesty look like Jesus.

Agree? Disagree? Have something to add? Let’s hear it in the comments below!

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: alien, Discipleship, immigration, looks like Jesus

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Jesus Isn’t Always the Answer

By Jeremy Myers
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Jesus Isn’t Always the Answer

Jesus isnt always the answer

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, humor, Jesus

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You Look Like Jesus!

By Jeremy Myers
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You Look Like Jesus!

Jeremy MyersI have long hair.

Recently a Christian man came up to me and said, “Don’t you know that it is an abomination to God for a man to have long hair?”

I could have argued with him by correcting his misquote of 1 Corinthians 11:14. I could have showed him the cultural reasons why Paul’s words don’t really apply to us today. I could have stated that even if long hair was dishonorable, maybe the reason I had long hair was that I wanted to be dishonored. I also could have brought up the fact that in most artistic renderings of Jesus, He had long hair, but nobody thinks that it was an “abomination” for Him.

But I said none of these things. I have learned that sometimes, it is best to just laugh off such outlandish accusations, and move on.

So instead of trying to show the man how wrong he was, I just cracked a joke. I said, “I have long hair because I’m trying to look like Jesus!”

He stared at me for a second, then shouted “Blasphemer!” and stalked away.

I am not exactly sure how my words were blasphemous, but then, nothing this man said made mush sense.

.. My poor attempt at a joke got me thinking.

Yes, we Christians are supposed to look like Jesus. In fact, “Christian” means “little Christ.” Yet I fear that we have misunderstood what it means to look like Jesus.

It doesn’t mean that we grow long hair, wear long robes, and go about with a holy half-smile on our lips, saying things like “Verily! Verily!” (On three different occasions over the past three weeks, I have had people come up to me and tell me that I look like Jesus. I am now thinking of cutting my hair…)

Looking like Jesus doesn’t mean that we set up a Jesus statue in our front lawns and point spotlights at it.

Looking like Jesus doesn’t mean that we shout his name at people through a bullhorn.

Looking like Jesus doesn’t even necessarily mean that we feed the hungry, heal the sick, and perform miracles.

What does it mean to look like Jesus?

Looking like Jesus means, among other things, that people will want to hang out with us for the same reasons they hung out with Jesus.

Looking like Jesus means that we will see what God is really up to in this world, and will seek to join Him in His work.

elect JesusLooking like Jesus means that we will not stand out in a crowd for how we are dressed or what we are saying, but will get noticed because of what we stand up for—or more precisely, who we stand up for.

Looking like Jesus may mean that we don’t get our “rights,” but instead end up sacrificing our rights–and maybe our very lives–for the sake of others.

Jesus doesn’t want us to look like Him. He wants us to look like us, but to live in the way that He lived, with His values, His goals, and His approach to God and people.

It used to be popular to attempt to live life by asking ourselves all the time “What would Jesus do?” In more recent years, I am not sure that this is the best way to live. I don’t think Jesus wants us to ask “What would Jesus do?” and then seek to do it. No, I think Jesus wants us to ask, “What would Jesus want me to do?” and then go do that. This means that while we may not look like Jesus, we will act and behave how Jesus wants.

That Looks Like Jesus….

My friend Sam Riviera often weighs in on church activities or theological topics by saying “That looks like Jesus.” Over the past several years, I have been reworking a lot of my life and theology, and have discovered that this “Jesus lens” is a good guide to making decisions about life and theology.

While Jesus may not have said anything about  the social/political/theological topics of homosexual marriage, immigration reform, or mega churches, we do know enough about Jesus from the Gospels to get a general tenor or trajectory of Jesus’ life to make an educated guess about what He might have said.

Toward that end, I am starting a new blog series called “Looks Like Jesus” in which I will try to apply this “Jesus lens” to various passages of Scripture (like the flood in Genesis 6), theological topics (Does God’s grace extend to gay people?), and social issues (What would Jesus say about immigration reform?). As I write these posts, I will publish them here on the blog for your input.

(And no, I am not giving up on my current series on Calvinism. The two series of posts will run concurrently. If you prefer one series over the other, please “vote” for it by sharing posts from that series on your social sites and by leaving blog comments.)

looks like Jesus

I am going to post my first (well, second I guess, since this is the first) post in the “Looks Like Jesus” series tomorrow. I will be looking at how Jesus would get involved in the Ferguson protests.

In future posts I will be looking at various theological and social topics through the lens of Jesus so that our response to these issues looks like Jesus.

Do you have ideas for this series of posts you would like to see covered in the future? What Bible passages do you want examined through the lens of Jesus Christ? What theological topics and social issues should be considered?

Leave your ideas in the comments below. Thanks!

 

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Christian, Discipleship, following Jesus, looks like Jesus

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The Church is an Elect People

By Jeremy Myers
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The Church is an Elect People

church is chosen peopleThe church is a group of God’s elect (cf. Rom 8:33; Eph 1:4; Col 3:12; 1 Thess 1:4; 2 Tim 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Pet 1:1-2; 2:8-9; 5:13; Rev 17:14). As we have seen previously, Israel is another group of God’s elect.

The real difference, however, between Israel as God’s elect and the church as God’s elect, is that while not all Israelites were regenerate, every member of the church is. Of course, this is only true of the invisible, universal church of God; not the visible and physical “church” down on the street corner or identified by some denomination. All people who are spiritual members of God’s church are elect.

Did the Church Replace Israel?

In looking at the election of the church, it is important to recognize the similarities between God’s election of Israel and God’s election of the church.

First, it is popular in some circles to say that since Israel failed in her God-ordained mission to the world, the church has replaced Israel as God’s chosen people. Though Paul seems to hint at this sort of idea in Romans 9–11, I believe that this is not what Paul is teaching there, and that Israel was not set aside, nor did Israel fail in her mission.

Let me present the problem differently.

If Israel has been “successful,” how would the outcome have been any different? Would we not have the Bible? Would Jesus not have come? Would Jesus not have died? Would the church not have been born?

The answer to all such questions is clearly “No.”

The only “failure” on the part of Israel was to recognize the Messiah when He came. But this was not exactly a failure in regards to her role as God’s chosen nation, but was a failure she shares with all people on earth who do not believe in Jesus for eternal life. Just as God desires for all people to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), God desires all Israel to be saved as well (cf. Paul’s sentiment  in Rom 9:1-5).

So the only “failure” of God’s chosen people Israel was that they failed to enter into God’s elect church when it was formed. For vast numbers of Israelites, this “failure” continues to this very day, as it does for the majority of people on earth.

So Israel did not fail in her God-given vocation. She succeeded.

Through her came the Law and the Prophets, the promised Messiah, and the birth of the church, all of which are blessings to the entire world, which was Gods’ ultimate goal and purpose for Israel.

Therefore, we must never say that the church has replaced Israel or that because Israel failed, God has selected a “new chosen people.”

Never! God’s election of the church is not due to His setting aside of Israel, but rather due to the fulfilment of His plan and purposes for Israel. The church is an outcome of the fruit of Israel’s success; not her failure.

God never desired that all people on earth would become Israel. Israel is a nation with her own people, customs, culture, and laws. God did not choose them because their customs and culture was better than everybody else’s. No, He chose one group of people as a way to call all people to Himself.

God never wanted all people to become Israelites; He wanted all people to maintain their culture and customs, just as Israel had, but do so in connection with Him. This new communion of people who live in connection with God is what we now think of as church. The church is God’s assembly of all people from every tongue, tribe, and nation who live within their own customs and culture as members of His family. Why did God choose Israel? Not to make the whole world Israel, but to make the whole world His.

church is chosen by God

This helps us understand God’s election of the church.

If we understand why God chose Israel, then we can also understand why God chose the church.

If Israel’s task was to call all people to become God’s people, then this is the church’s task as well.

Just as Israel was called to provide a witness and a testimony to the surrounding people about the goodness and graciousness of God, to be God’s voice, hands, and feet on earth, and to call all people to turn from their destructive ways and follow God’s righteous ways instead, so also, this is the task of the church (cf. Col 3:12; 1 Pet 1:1-2; 2:8-9).

Israel was chosen to be a blessing to the world, and when the church lives up to its calling, it too will be a blessing to the world. To be a blessing is the purpose for which God has chosen the church.

Furthermore, if we understand how a person became a member of Israel as God’s chosen people, then we can also understand how people become members of the church as God’s chosen people.

How did a person become an Israelite? For the most part, they were born into it.

So also with the church. We become members of the church by birth—not by physical birth, as was the case with the Israelites, but by spiritual birth; by being “born again” (John 3:1-8).

And if one enters the church through the new birth, then this also means that one enters God’s elect people through the new birth.

People sometimes think that Christians are members of the church because we are elect, when in reality, it is the other way around: we are elect because we are members of the church. By joining with Christ, the Elect One, through faith, we automatically become members of His Body, the church, and thus become numbered among the elect (Vance: Other Side of Calvinism, 379). We are elect only because we are in Him (Eph 1:4).

Election, Redemption, and Service

This truth further leads to the proper conclusion about the relationship between election and redemption.

chosen in ChristJust as election does not lead to our membership within the church, but is rather a result of being incorporated into Christ’s Body, so also, election is not what leads to our redemption, but is rather the result of redemption.

We are thinking of election backwards if we think that we are only in Christ because God first forgave and redeemed us. The truth of redemption and election is that we are redeemed because we are in Christ, and as a result of being in Him, we are elect.

Christ is belittled if we think that God first forgave and redeemed us and then put us in Christ; we should rather believe that it is only in Christ that we have received redemption and forgiveness. Christ is also belittled if we think that God first chose us and then put is in Christ; it is rather that those in Christ share in his election, and so are chosen in him. … When people enter into Christ then not only does his death become theirs, but his election becomes their election (Marston and Forster, God’s Strategy in Human History, 151, 154).

The election of the church, then, follows the same patterns we have seen previously with the election of Israel and the election of Jesus.

Election is not to eternal life, but to service. This is true of Israel, Jesus, and the church.

In eternity past, God did not choose who He would unconditionally and irresistibly bring into His church, but rather, decided that all those who believed in Jesus and in so doing became members of His church, to them He would give the task of being a blessing to the world by sharing serving one another, declaring God’s grace, and loving others just as He has loved us.

If you want to read more about Calvinism, check out other posts in this blog series: Words of Calvinism and the Word of God.

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Books by Jeremy Myers, Calvinism, church, election, Theology of Salvation, Theology of the Church, TULIP, Unconditional Election

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