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Bloody Jesus

By Jeremy Myers
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Bloody Jesus

A few nights ago I was talking with my incredibly smart and beautiful wife about the violence of God in Scripture and how we can interpret both in light of Jesus Christ, and we realized that in some ways, Christianity has fallen into the same trap that Judaism fell into so many years ago.

bloody Jesus bibleBefore Jesus came (and in fact, even today) when Jewish people read their Hebrew Scriptures and saw a violent God doing violent things, they projected this onto their expectations for what the Messiah would be and do when He finally came. They saw a violent God, and so were looking for a violent Messiah. They wanted a Messiah who would throw off Roman rule, would slay the enemies, kill the wicked, and banish all the unrighteous into eternal pits of darkness and gloom.

This was partly why the Jewish religious leaders rejected Jesus as the Messiah. He did not fit the bill! He did not live up to their expectations. He did not match what they read in the Bible. He did not fulfill the expectations, promises, and prophecies of what the Messiah would do when He came. And in fact, on numerous occasions, Jesus flat-out told them that the reason He was not doing these things is because they had misread and misinterpreted their Scriptures.

Hmmm…. now take those two paragraphs and substitute in what Christians think about the second coming of Jesus….

By an amazing twist of hermeneutical skill, we Christians have learned to nod our heads at both Jewish and Christian interpretations of Scripture.

We say, “The Jewish interpretation and understanding of God was correct. They just got the timing all wrong. God is violent and bloody, and so is the Messiah. But Jesus didn’t come the first time to kill all the sinners; He will do that when He comes again. Maranatha! Come, Lord Jesus! Let the bloodbath begin!”

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Christians, Jesus, Jews, Messiah, return of Jesus, second coming, Theology of God, Theology of Jesus, violence, When God Pled Guilty

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Does Jesus Condemn People? NO!

By Jeremy Myers
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Does Jesus Condemn People? NO!

Okay, okay, the title might be a little too strong. I do believe that Jesus is the righteous judge of the world and that we will all stand before Him to give an accounting, and that based on the judgment of Jesus, some will be eternally separated from God… So don’t rake me over the coals too much for that title….

I am only wrote that title in connection to Romans 8:34 due to a comment that was left on someone else’s blog about my recent series on God, violence, and evil. Here is what happened:

Peter Kirk recently posted a quote from one of my blog posts (if you do this, let me know so I can come interact with your readers!), and one of the people who left comments strongly disagreed with my ideas, and quoted Romans 8:34 this way: “Who is it that condemns? Christ Jesus…”

Whoa!

Is that a verse which says that Jesus Christ does actually condemn people? When I saw that verse, I blinked and shook my head and thought, “Really? How could I have missed that all these years?”

Jesus done not condemnSo I went and looked it up.

And guess what? The devil is in the dots. The problem is with the ellipses (…).

I know we all use them, but always be wary of Scripture quotations that include ellipses.

In Romans 8:34, Paul is not answering his question and saying that Jesus Christ condemns. No! Exactly the opposite. Paul is saying Jesus Christ is the only one who could condemn, but far from condemning anyone, Jesus died for us and intercedes for us! This is the only way to make Roman 8:34 fit with Romans 8:1.

Romans 8:34 should be understood this way: “Who is he who condemns? Jesus Christ is the only one who could, but He doesn’t! Instead, he died for us, and rose again from the dead, and now intercedes for us at the right hand of God the Father in heaven!”

Beautiful! Far from condemning humanity, Jesus loves us, died for us, and now intercedes for us!

Look, I know that not everybody will agree with the theory I am proposing about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament (see the link list at the bottom of this post).

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: condemns, crucifixion, Jesus, judge, Romans 8:34, scripture, Theology of Jesus, violence, When God Pled Guilty

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The Love and Horror of the Cross

By Jeremy Myers
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The Love and Horror of the Cross

We have come a long way in trying to explain the violence of God in the Old Testament (See the list of posts at the bottom.) I am nearly ready to offer my proposal… But there is one more piece of the puzzle to lay on the table before we start putting all the pieces together.

Jesus Became Sin for Us

the horror of the crossThe final piece of the puzzle about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament in light of life, ministry, and death of Jesus Christ is found in 2 Corinthians 5:21.

In this text we read that Jesus became sin for us. Paul writes that God made Jesus “who knew no sin to be sin for us.” We must not try to soften the implications or significance of what Paul writes.

It is not just that Jesus took our sin upon Himself on the cross. No, He became sin.

He took His righteousness and swapped it with our sinfulness. Every sin we have ever committed was not just “credited” to the account of Jesus, but He was actually made to be that sin!

The horror of this must not be missed. But neither should the love.

The horror and the love of what Jesus did on the cross helps us understand what God was doing in the Old Testament. I will explain in future posts.

But this post will simply relate a dream I had as a boy which I think shows both the horror and the love of the cross.

A Dream About the Love and Horror of the Cross

When I was about ten years old, I had a nightmare about Jesus dying the cross. I vividly remember seeing His broken and bleeding body hanging upon the cross. As I watched, I noticed a few black ants coming up out of the ground and climbing up the cross toward Jesus. As they climbed, more and more ants swarmed up out of the ground so that by the time the first few ants had reached the bloody feet of Jesus, all the ground around the cross and the lower portion of the beam was a roiling mass of blackness. This swarm of ants scurried up the cross and over the body of Jesus.

swarm of antsI could tell by the way Jesus twitched and squirmed that the ants were not just climbing over His body, but were biting Him as well. I was surprised that Jesus did not cry out in pain, but I knew that if He did, they would enter His mouth and eat Him alive from the inside out. As soon as I had this horrifying thought, Jesus looked me in the eyes and then opened His mouth wide. As expected, the mass of ants swarmed in and they ate Jesus alive. Soon, there was nothing left of Jesus, only a black mass of ants.

I woke trembling, with tears in my eyes.

I knew, of course, what the ants were. They were my sins. Each tiny ant represented one of my sins. And there were millions upon millions of them. At first I thought that there was no way all those sins were mine; they had to have been the sins of the whole world. But that look from Jesus told the whole story. They were my sins, and mine alone. There were so many, they were beyond counting, but He took them all on, every single one.

And I knew that this is what He had done for the entire world, for each and every person.

Most surprisingly, however, I felt no accusation from Jesus. No anger. No condemnation.

Just love.

Strangely, and most vividly of all, there was not even a sense that He wanted me to try to sin less. When He looked me in the eyes, it was as if He said, “Look at me. I am already covered with millions upon millions of biting black ants. What difference will ten more or ten less really make? If you want to stop sinning, it is for your benefit, not mine. No matter how much you sin, I will take it all on. And whether you sin or don’t sin, I will continue to love you just the same.”

I have often thought about that dream. But recently, as I have sought to view God in light of what Jesus tells us about Him, I have begun to see that the dream not only reflects what Jesus did for all people on the cross, but also reflects what God has always been doing for the sins of the whole world.

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

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God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: 2 Corinthians 5:21, crucifixion, cruciform, crucivision, death of Jesus, sin, Theology of Jesus, When God Pled Guilty

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Rethinking the Punishment of God

By Jeremy Myers
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Rethinking the Punishment of God

The punishment of GodIn response to a great question from Chuck McKnight on my post Why God Never Punishes Sin, I decided I had better write a short post about the Greek words kolazo and kolasis, specifically in reference to some of the New Testament uses of the word “punishment.” This post is not exactly a word study of those words, but a general theological clarification for how to deal with some of these tough texts in the Bible that deal with the topic of punishment.

In my previous post, Why God Never Punishes Sin, and then in a follow-up post, More Reasons Why God Never Punishes Sin, I stated my belief that God never punishes sin.

Instead of punishing sin, I suggested that God disciplines and judges instead. Most of the words in the Old and New Testaments which are frequently translated as “punish” can be translated as “discipline” or “judge” instead. Maybe it is splitting hairs, but for me, the concept of punishment seems to imply the inflicting of pain upon someone else for something bad they did to you. I just don’t see that Jesus reveals this kind of God, a God that is vindictive toward His enemies, who inflicts pain and punishment on people because they go against His will.

Although … I suppose their can be painful consequences of discipline. I have been disciplined a lot in life, and as I look back, many of those times were quite painful.

This picture makes fun (and rightly so!) of some of the bad theology we hear from some churches about why hurricanes and earthquakes happen.
This picture makes fun (and rightly so!) of some of the bad theology we hear from some churches about why hurricanes happen.

So maybe I should be even more precise…. When I think of “punishment” I am thinking of floods, earthquakes, famines, hurricanes, asteroids, pestilence, and other natural disasters. It is quite common in some Christian circles to say that when a city is flattened by a hurricane, or when an earthquake strikes, or when a tsunami kills thousands, that this is “divine punishment” upon that area and those people.

I couldn’t disagree more.

The same goes for when a house burns down, a child dies, a person gets a terminal disease, or any other such disaster that can happen in life. None of these should ever be understood as God’s punishment. He doesn’t do these things.

These sorts of things happen in the kind of world God has created, especially in the one that has been skewed so terribly by sin. So in a way, these bad things that happen are a result of sin, but not because God is reaching down with his finger and squashing people like bugs because they took His name in vain, or broke one of His other commandments. This is not the kind of God we serve, or the kind of God revealed to us in Jesus Christ.

So my basic argument is this:

  • God is good.
  • Sin is bad.
  • Sin has bad consequences, both upon those who do the sins, and upon those who do not.
  • These consequences are not from a good God, but are the natural consequences of sin.

One of the things accomplished by our good God in Jesus Christ, was the implementation of a plan to do away with all sin, and the consequences of sin. God doesn’t punish sin. Instead, He takes steps to do away with sin, and to remove it’s consequences. How did He do this? Primarily by taking the consequences of sin upon Himself.

Many people say that since God created a world in which sin was possible, God Himself is responsible for the sin that is committed. In a way, God agrees, which is partly why He took the sin of the world upon Himself in Jesus Christ.  But I am getting way off subject here, and into dangerous waters, so let me back up to the real point of this post.

I said in the previous posts that God does not punish. So what then do I do with passages like Matthew 25:46?

And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Or what do I do with 2 Peter 2:9?

The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment.

Understand that much of this is still theoretical, but I think of these sorts of passages this way:

Does Got torture people?First, note that both texts seem to refer to something that happens to people after they die. I don’t know what sorts of “punishment” God might have in store for people after death, but again, using Jesus as the guiding principle, I highly doubt that God is going to torture people for all eternity by burning them in fire. I do not believe in annihilationism, nor do I believe in universalism, but I also do not believe in eternal conscious torment.

The punishment that happens to unbelievers after they die will involve eternal separation from God, and this in itself is punishment enough. No person on this earth has ever fully experienced full separation from God since He is always fully present everywhere. But those who want nothing to do with God will be granted their desire. Punishment is not something God inflicts upon people, but is a natural consequence of choosing to serve sin and self rather than God.

That is the way I understand these sorts of texts.

God has given humans genuine freedom, so much so that if they choose to reject Him, He honors their choice, including the painful consequences (for them AND for Him) that their choice entails. Punishment is not something God inflicts upon others when He is slighted. No, it is something that happens as a result of choosing our own way rather than God’s. And in a sense, as we see in Jesus on the cross, God Himself gets punished as a result of our poor choices as well. In a sense, when humans get punished for their own sin, God gets punished as well.

One other verse bears mentioning here. It is one of the key verses in my “theology” and I mentioned it a few weeks ago in a post about assurance. Interestingly, this verse also mentions punishment. The verse is 1 John 4:18:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. (NAS)

The Greek is a little ambiguous in the phrase “fear involves punishment” which is why you will see some different translations in our various English Bibles. It literally says, “fear has punishment” which doesn’t make much sense, and so translators try to clarify the meaning. Aside from the NAS above, some say “fear has to do with punishment” (ESV, NIV, NRSV, NET), or “fear involves torment” (NKJV), and a  few others. However it is translated, the basic idea is this:

Fear contains the punishment itself. This means that the man who lives in fear (before God) is already punished by this fear. His fear is his punishment. This thoughts may be linked with the express statement in John 3:18 that the unbeliever is judged already. The opposite of fear is love. Perfect love is free from every fear, because perfect love for God drives out fear before Him (TDNT, III:817).

This once again shows that any punishment that results from sin is the natural consequence of sin itself, and is not divine punishment at all. When we know how much God loves us, this not only frees us from fear of punishment, but it also frees us from the desire to sin, because we know that God only wants what is best for us, and His instructions are not to destroy our joy or ruin our lives, but to increase our enjoyment of life, and help us live better, longer, healthier, happier lives. This doesn’t always happen, because we live in a twisted world (cf. the book of Job), but when we experience pain and suffering, it is never because God is punishing us for some real (or imagined) sin against Him.

God doesn’t punish. He restores. He loves. He heals.

And of course, as we see in Jesus Christ, He suffers right along with us, bearing the Lion’s share of the pain in this world.

Hopefully, this email has helped you see that God is not angry with you about your sin, nor is He looking for ways to keep from forgiving you. No, God loves you and forgives you. He is looking for ways to work with you in helping you gain freedom from the power of sin in your life and deliverance from the destructive consequences of sin. If you have areas of sin you are struggling with, know that God wants to work with you in these areas; He is not out to punish you for them.

God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: 1 John 4:18, 2 Peter 2:9, punishment, sin, Theology of God, Theology of Jesus, Theology of Sin

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Why God Never Punishes Sin

By Jeremy Myers
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Why God Never Punishes Sin

Does God punish sin?In Christian circles, we often hear a lot about three topics: Sin, death, and resurrection.

The basic message often preached goes something like this:

  1. You are a sinner.
  2. God must punish sin.
  3. The punishment for sin is death.
  4. Jesus died in our place on the cross.
  5. Jesus rose again from the dead proving that He paid the penalty for our sin.
  6. So you should ____________ (fill in the blank for whatever gospel invitation your church teaches).

I suppose in general I don’t really have much of a problem with this list.

Although …

I would prefer #6 to more closely follow the way Jesus Himself offered eternal life to people in the Gospel of John (“Believe in Me for eternal life”).

And #5 is not exactly nuanced properly. I don’t think the resurrection first and foremost proves that Jesus paid the penalty for sin. First and foremost, the resurrection proves that Jesus was the Son of God (cf. Wright, The Resurrection of the Son of God, p. 728, 730), and by inference AS the Son of God, Jesus dealt with the issue of sin.

#4 is true … kind of. It is not as if we would have had to die on a cross if Jesus had not done so. Nor is it true that because Jesus died, we don’t die. We all still die. But whatever.

#1 is true, of course. Although I am not a big fan of starting a Gospel presentation with this truth.

And #2 and #3, well, depending on what is meant by the word “punish,” I may or may not object to these points.

So I guess in general, I do have some problems with this list … Ha!

But let me focus on this concept of punishment, because it is here where the sort of “gospel” presentation as summarized above can get pretty far off base.

When most people think of “punishment” they think of an angry God dealing out fiery wrath on everybody who crosses Him. They feel that sin must be punished, that pain and suffering must be meted about by God on all who disobey His will.

As a result, many Christians feel that since God “punishes” sin, we too must punish people. The logic here breaks down pretty quickly, just as it does with us “judging” people.

But what if God doesn’t punish people? ⇦ Click here to ask that question on Twitter and see what people say.

In this post and the next post we will look at four reasons why I think God does NOT punish. Does he discipline? Yes. Does He judge? Of course. But punish? No.

Here is the first reason God never punishes sin:

1. The Bible Never Teaches that God “Punishes” Sin

Yes, yes, you may be able to find verses in your preferred English translation which says that God “punishes” sin.

But I agree with many others who say that there is none of these words in the Hebrew or Greek should be translated as “punishment.” These words instead should be translated as “discipline” or “judgment.”

Punishment of GodFor example, in some translations of Exodus 20:5, it says that God punishes children for the iniquity of their parents. This sounds terribly unjust. Why should children get punished for something their parents did? But if we understand the Hebrew terms used here and in other similar references as “discipline” or “judgment” we can begin to make a little more sense of these passages. My preference is “judgment.”

So Exodus 20:5 says that God judges children for the iniquity of their parents. This doesn’t sound much better than “punish” until we realize that judgment is not always negative.

Though judgment carries negative connotations in our minds, the biblical concept of judgment is not always negative. Judgment is little more than “deciding” or “announcing a verdict.” In a trial, a judge makes a judgment. Sometimes his judgment is in favor of the plaintiff, and sometimes not. But whether “punishment” is meted out or not, when a judge makes a judgment, he or she is simply making a decision about a case. So it might be best to think of “judgment” as “making a decision.”

God “judges” the righteous and the wicked, meaning He hears their cases and decides what do in each case. In this way, a “judgment” can be a good judgment, a granting of relief to one who has been treated unfairly. In judging children for the sins of their parents, God is making wise and loving decisions about how to treat children based on the poor decisions of their parents.

So, for example, in the Mosaic law, a parent might get their family into debt or slavery. But God set up the Israelite economy in such a way so that every so often, all debts were cancelled and all land reverted to the original landowners. In this way, God is making sure that children do not suffer for the poor decisions of their parents. In these cases God is making a judgment in favor of the children. That is a better way of understanding Exodus 20:5 (for a little more on this topic, see Creation Untamed, 51).

C. S. Lewis wrote masterfully (does he write any other way?) on this subject in his book Reflections on the Psalms. In the chapter on “Judgment in the Psalms” he wrote the following. It is a long quote, but worth reading:

The ancient Jews, like ourselves, think of God’s judgment in terms of an earthly court of justice. The difference is that the Christian pictures the case to be tried as a criminal case with himself in the .dock; the Jew pictures it as a civil case with himself as the plaintiff. The one hopes for acquittal, or rather for pardon; the other hopes for a resounding triumph with heavy damages. Hence he prays ‘judge my quarrel’, or ‘avenge my cause’ (35:23).

And though, as I said a minute ago, Our Lord in the parable of the Sheep and the Goats painted the characteristically Christian picture, in another place He is very characteristically Jewish. Notice what He means by ‘an unjust judge’. By those words most of us would mean someone like Judge Jeffreys or the creatures who sat on the benches of German tribunals during the Nazi régime: someone who bullies witnesses and jurymen in order to convict, and then savagely to punish, innocent men.

Once again, we are thinking of a criminal trial. We hope we shall never appear in the dock before such a judge. But the Unjust Judge in the parable is quite a different character. There is no danger of appearing in his court against your will: the difficulty is the opposite — to get into it. It is clearly a civil action.

The poor woman (Luke 18:1—5) has had her little strip of land — room for a pigsty or a hen-run — taken away from her by a richer and more powerful neighbor (nowadays it would be Town-Planners or some other ‘Body’). And she knows she has a perfectly watertight case. If once she could get it into court and have it tried by the laws of the land, she would be bound to get that strip back. But no one will listen to her, she can’t get it tried. No wonder she is anxious for ‘judgment’.

Behind this lies an age-old and almost world-wide experience which we have been spared. In most places and times it has been very difficult for the ‘small man’ to get his case heard. The judge (and, doubtless, one or two of his underlings) has to be bribed. If you can’t afford to ‘oil his palm’ your case will never reach court. Our judges do not receive bribes. (We probably take this blessing too much for granted; it will not remain with us automatically.)

We need not therefore be surprised if the Psalms, and the Prophets, are full of the longing for judgment, and regard the announcement that ‘judgment’ is coming as good news. Hundreds and thousands of people who have been stripped of all they possess and who have the right entirely on their side will at last be heard. Of course they are not afraid of judgment. They know their case is unanswerable — if only it could be heard. When God comes to judge, at last it will.

Dozens of passages make the point clear. In Psalm 9 we are told that God will ‘minister true judgment’ (v. 8), and that is because He ‘forgetteth not the complaint of the poor’ (v. 12). He ‘defendeth the cause’ (that is, the ‘case’) ‘of the widows’ (68:). The good king in Psalm 72:2 will ‘judge’ the people rightly; that is, he will ‘defend the poor’. When God ‘arises to judgment’ he will ‘help all the meek upon earth’ (76:9), all the timid, helpless people whose wrongs have never been righted yet. When God accuses earthly judges of ‘wrong judgment’, He follows it up by telling them to see that the poor ‘have right’ (82:2, 3).

The ‘just’ judge, then, is primarily he who rights a wrong in a civil case.

So “punish” is not the right word, and “judgment” does not necessarily mean something bad. It simply means “deciding.”

The judgment of God is simply to make a decision in a civil case, often in the favor of the one who was wronged.

So judgment is not punishment, and all places in the Bible which speak of “punishment” should probably be understood as discipline or judgment. There are three other reasons as well that God does not punish sin, which we will look at the other three in the next post.

Until then, what do you think this view of divine punishment does for how you think about God, and how you interact with other people?

God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: christus victor, Exodus 20:5, judgment, punishment, sin, Theology of Jesus, Theology of Sin

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