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52 God Memes that will either make you laugh or angry (depending on your theology)

By Jeremy Myers
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52 God Memes that will either make you laugh or angry (depending on your theology)

As I write about the violence of God in the Bible and have conversations about this with various people I interact with during the week, I often tell people that one of the reasons this is such an important topic is because Christians need a better answer to provide the world than the ones we have always given. Usually, the stock Christian answer to the violence of God in Scripture is “God is God and can do what He wants.”

I am not fond of that answer.

In fact, let me go so far as to say that if what God wants to do is slaughter people because they don’t do what He wants, then I don’t mind it so much if people decide not to worship a God like that.

Anyway, one of the objections I occasionally get (but not too often, thankfully) to this whole series on the violence of God is that we don’t really need a better answer to give the world, because the world isn’t too concerned about the violent portrayals of God in the Bible.

I think I understand what people mean when they say this. I think they mean that most people in the world aren’t thinking too much about whether or not God is violent. That’s probably true. Maybe.

Yet in my conversations with people who do not believe in God or who want nothing to do with Him, it seems that more often than not, the issue of His violence in the Bible is often mentioned in the first few minutes of the conversation about why they cannot believe in the God of the Bible. Maybe it’s just who I talk with…

Anyway, I was looking for some images recently for one of my blog posts on the violence of God in the Bible and came across a whole series of internet God memes, and guess what? A large number of these God memes are about the violence of God in the Bible.

Frankly, I found most of these God memes quite humorous, but also quite telling. If one of the common themes in this God meme is about God’s violence in the Bible, doesn’t this imply that people are thinking about it? Maybe it’s just atheist trying to mock the Bible, but even if so, don’t we need a better answer than “God is God and can do what He wants”?

I think so.

Anyway, I though I would include some of the God memes I found online for your viewing enjoyment. Some of you might get upset at some of these. Don’t. If we cannot laugh at ourselves, or of we are too thin-skinned to allow others to laugh at us, then we should not be doing theology and should not spending time online.

Here then, are the 52 God Memes I found online. Most follow the same “meme” pattern, but there’s a few at the end I threw in for good measure.

And yes, there may be some repeats. Deal with it.

52 God Memes

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 violence of God memes

 trollphotou1

  god_slavery_meme

049-God-Logic

 christian-belief-vik-religion-1384474908

 008-God-created-Hell

 

036-God-PWNS

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: atheists, God memes, humor, laugh, salvation, Theology of God, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

Is “The Song of Deborah” Sexually Suggestive and Bawdy?

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Is “The Song of Deborah” Sexually Suggestive and Bawdy?

The Song of DeborahNote: This post is rated PG-13.

People who say the Bible is boring probably need to forget everything they have ever heard about the Bible and begin to read it as the masterpiece of literature that it is.

We are so used to reading the Bible as a “Holy Book” that we often fail to see how humorous and delightful it can be … even, at times, scandalous and bawdy.

I was recently reading through a commentary on Judges and was struck by the sexually suggestive imagery of the song of Deborah and Barak in Judges 5.

The Song of Deborah in Judges 5

The Song of Deborah and Barak in Judges 5 sounds a bit like a drinking song one might have heard in an Ancient Near Eastern bar frequented by fighting men.

The Song of Deborah is definitely not a “church song.”

After contrasting Israel’s God with the fertility gods in that region (Judges 5:3-7), and giving a shout-out to all the tribes that participated in the battle (Judges 5:14-18), Deborah and Barak recount the highlights of the battle (Judges 5:19-23), and then focus on the victorious blow, when the woman Jael defeated General Sisera in her tent.

Here is where the song of Deborah gets quite sexually suggestive. You can almost hear the soldiers whooping and hollering as Deborah and Barak sing this explicit song. Rather than lay it all out for you, let me simply quote from Chisholm’s translation of the song of Deborah in Judges 5, and you can fill in the details for yourself:

Her hand reached for the tent peg,
Her right hand for the workman’s hammer;
She “hammered” Sisera,
…
Between her legs he collapsed,
He went limp, he was lifeless;
Between her legs he collapsed, he went limp …
(Judges 5:26-27)

 

Sisera - Jael - Song of DeborahLater in the song, Sisera’s mother is seen to looking out the window, wondering what is taking her son so long to come home, and her maids basically say, “Most likely he is out raping women and grabbing for their clothes; don’t worry, he’ll be home soon” (Judges 5:28-30). Little does she know that in taking women for himself, his life has been taken by a woman.

The song of Deborah seems to be full of irony and sexually suggestive imagery, not the sort of song you usually hear in church.

The Song of Deborah and the Hebrew Text

Of course, if you check some of the traditional translations of the Song of Deborah in Judges 5, the imagery is not as obvious (e.g., in the NIV and NASB), and having looked up the Hebrew text for myself, I am not actually certain that the above translation is best. But Chisholm is a Hebrew expert, and who am I to disagree?

For all I know, Chisholm meant nothing of the sort, and I just have a mind that is in the gutter so that I read things into the text that are not there…

Any Hebrew scholars want to weigh in on this translation of the Song of Deborah? 

Regardless, these sorts of things are in the Bible (The Song of Solomon, for example), and no, these are not the sorts of observations you usually hear from the pulpit.

 

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible reading, Bible Study, Deborah, Judges 5

Why I don’t pray for miracles

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Why I don’t pray for miracles

It always troubles me that Christians so often seek the supernatural intervention of God in our daily affairs. You know, “miracles.”

Can God perform miracles? Of course. Does He? Yes. Would I like to see more miracles? Without a doubt.

And yet, I sometimes think that the reason we don’t see more miracles is simply because God is performing miracles in our midst every moment of every day and they are so commonplace, we fail to see them.

The rising of the sun, the falling of the rain, a bird in flight, are all miracles of majestic glory. Oh sure, we can explain the physics and the science behind such occurrences, but even that is a miracle. Language and logic are no less a miracle than God separating light from darkness or dividing the Red Sea for His people to walk through on dry land.

Think about it! And in thinking, wonder even at your ability to think!

miracle of a sunrise

Away with this desiring after miracles, this prayer for divine intervention, and this longing for the supernatural. The “natural” is more than enough miracle for me. “It is illogical to suppose that God’s trademark is the supernatural, seeing that the natural processes are the ones he made” (Taylor, Christlike God, 217).

If anything, the greatest miracle of all is not found in the supernatural, but in the supranatural, that is, in God’s ability to enter into the “stuff” he made, and work within it, with it, and from it to accomplish His divine will.

You want a miracle? Don’t pray for a miracle. Pray instead to see the miracles that are exploding all around you every second of every day.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, miracle, prayer, supernatural

Do you REALLY Trust Jesus?

By Jeremy Myers
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Do you REALLY Trust Jesus?

trust JesusNo, this is not a post about whether or not you have truly believed in Jesus for eternal life, or how to tell if you have truly trusted Jesus or not.

I want to encourage you to ask yourself whether or not you truly trust Jesus for other people.

That is, do you believe Jesus is able to lead other people into the kind of life He wants for them?

Do you Trust Jesus to Lead Other People?

Do you trust Jesus enough with your friends, your neighbors, and your family members to know that He will correct them when needed, teach them what they need to know, and lead them to where He wants, when He wants?

There are, of course, place for rules and guidelines, especially for parents raising children and other similar situations, but when it comes to trusting Jesus to guide and lead others in the journey He has for them, it is difficult to trust Jesus.

It is Difficult to Trust Jesus for Other People

Instead, what usually happens is this:

We are following Jesus as best as we know how, and one day, we come across a truth, or read an idea in a book, or discover something amazing about Scripture, or learn a key to defeating a certain sin in our life, or uncover a way to become more joyful, or find some tips for having a better marriage and family life, or whatever.

We are so excited about this (and rightly so), we want everyone else to know about it to. We create a program, a system, a set of rules, a practical guideline for others to follow, so that they can learn the same things we learned, and get to do the same things we do. This too, is fine. There is no problem with teaching others what we have learned also.

really trust Jesus

But then the problems start. Some people may try to follow our steps and fail. Or they read what we have written and they disagree. Or maybe they show absolutely no interest in anything we have to say.

In these cases, we see the “problems” in their life that would get fixed if they just learned and followed the same things we did.

When this happens, we get upset at the other people who “failed.” We want them to experience what we experienced, and get frustrated when we pour our hearts out to help people, and they reject it.

It is at this point that have stopped trusting Jesus to lead other people, just as He has led us. We have tried to substitute ourselves for Jesus, or our ideas for what others need next in their life for Jesus’ ideas.

We need to learn to trust Jesus to lead the lives of others in His own way and in His own time. He knows what each person needs and when they need it.

He knows better than we do where each person is in their life with Him. Maybe He knew that we were ready for a certain truth after we had been a Christians for two months, but another person is not ready for that same truth until they have been a Christian for two decades.

This, by the way, doesn’t mean we are “further along” the path of discipleship than they are, for it is quite likely that there are things which Jesus has taught that other person which we have not yet learned and will not learn for another three decades! We need to trust God to lead people in His own way and His own time.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, following Jesus, trust Jesus

Reader Appreciation Day!

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Reader Appreciation Day!

On a recent trip to Denver I was able to meet with five of the people who read this blog and discovered that I wish I knew you all a little bit better!

So this post is your opportunity to let me get to know you, and allow you to introduce yourself and get to know one another.

introduce yourself

In the comment section below, tell us a bit about yourself, your story, and where you are at with God, church, and Christian theology right now. What big issues are you facing? What big questions do you have?

If you want, include a line about where you currently live (e.g., which city) so that others who may live near you can connect with you, or maybe I can connect with you if I travel to your area.

If you blog, please include a link to your blog in your comment, and state in a sentence or two what your blog is about.

If you have written a book, please link to where people can learn more about it and buy a copy.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: blogging, Blogging, community

How to Know You Are Ready to be a Mother

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How to Know You Are Ready to be a Mother

Happy Mother’s Day!

If you are not a mother (I’m looking at all you men, and all you young women), here is a test you can take to see if you could be a mother.

As for all you mother’s, thank you, thank you, thank you for being such great mothers, and somehow, getting through the tough years of being a mother.

How Know if You are Ready to be a Mother

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, mothers, mothers day

Why the Traditional Understanding of the Flood is Wrong

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Why the Traditional Understanding of the Flood is Wrong

Yesterday I presented a way of reading about the flood that was different than the traditional way the flood account is usually read.

Certainly, the way I have proposed is challenging, but let us think momentarily about what the traditional reading says. To reject the view I have presented in previous posts, you either have to go with the traditional reading which says God sent the flood and killed all humanity except for eight people, or you have to categorize the flood account as a historical or literary myth.

the flood in Genesis 6-8

Frankly, if the choice is between a God who drowns millions of people and understanding the flood account as a myth, the second option is better by far. The traditional reading of this account says that because God saw how great the violence was upon the earth, He decided to bring even greater violence. The traditional reading argues that because the sin of violence had spread throughout the earth, God was going to trump all their violence with the greatest violence of all.

Can this be true of God?

Does God defeat violence with greater violence?

Can it be right that God’s response to violence is only greater violence?

Does it not seem strange that when God sees violence come upon the earth, His response is an act of supreme violence?

It is extremely strange that the primary sin mentioned in Genesis 6:13 is violence (cf. Genesis 6:11), and the most common way of reading Genesis 6 says that God responded to the sin of violence with greater violence.

How can this way of reading Genesis 6 be correct?

If God is actually trying to show the world a better way—a more loving way, a less violent way—the flood does not seem to be the best course of action. All it really shows is what the human race already believes: that might makes right.

The Flood Failed at Wiping Out Evil

Furthermore, aside from annihilating every living thing on earth except for the humans and creatures in the ark, the violent response of God toward evil didn’t really accomplish anything. Some seem to think that God intended to wipe out evil with the flood, but He knows that this is impossible, as He Himself states in Genesis 8:21.

The condition of humanity as having every inclination and imagination of their hearts only evil all the time didn’t change one bit as a result of the flood. It was this way before the flood, and it was this way afterwards as well (cf. Genesis 6:5 with Genesis 8:21). If God’s goal in the flood was to teach people not to be so evil, He failed miserably, and got a lot of human blood on His hands in the process (Fretheim, God and World, 81). This not only seems overly violent, but incredibly foolish of God.

If God knew beforehand that the flood wouldn’t “work,” why send it?

The Traditional Way of Understanding the Flood is Incorrect

This is why the text seems to hint that God didn’t send the flood. 

It appears, based on several clues within the text itself, that the traditional way of reading the text is not correct. 

Though the traditional reading is what the text seems to say on the surface, the revelation we have received in Jesus Christ challenges us to look beneath the surface of these deep and troubled waters to discern something else going on in the flood event than a violent God foolishly seeking the near-extermination of everything that breathes on earth.

noahs flood

The alternative perspective helps us understand that when worldwide destruction was coming up on the earth as a result of mankind becoming extremely evil and violent, God stepped in to save and rescue those who would follow Him. This truth is not only hinted at in Genesis 6–8 itself, but also in the parallel accounts in Job, Isaiah, Matthew, and 2 Peter, all of which we have looked at earlier (See the link list on this post: When God Pled Guilty)

Genesis 6-8 Summarized

When God saw that this destruction was inevitable, He set in motion a series of events to rescue and deliver as many people as He could from this great evil. He called out Noah to build the ark and proclaim deliverance from the destruction that was coming. When that destruction came, it was not by the hand of God, but He nevertheless took the blame for it by inspiring the biblical author of Genesis 6–8 to record that He was sending the flood.

In reality, far from sending the flood, God did all He could to rescue people from it. In the end, only eight people were delivered when the flood waters came upon the earth.

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Genesis 6, the flood, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

God Takes Responsibility for the Flood

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God Takes Responsibility for the Flood

the floodWhen bad things happen in this world, God often takes the responsibility for them because He is the one who created a universe where such evil things are possible.

When God created the world, He did not plan for sin to enter the world and for things to get so bad that eventually He would have to send a flood to wipe out every living thing on earth. No, what happened to creation was due to human activity; not divine. 

Nevertheless, “God bears some responsibility for setting up the creation in such a way that it could go wrong and have such devastating effects” (Fretheim, God and World, 82).

The Flood Happened on God’s Watch

When the flood came, it is not something that God sent, but is something that happened under His rule, or “on His watch.” 

When the flood came, the text only has the waters as the subject of the verbs; not God. It says the “waters of the flood came upon the earth” (Genesis 7:10, NAS) and “the fountains of the great deep burst open” (Genesis 7:11, NAS). The only verbs ascribed to God in the actual flood event are when He moves to restore, save, and deliver. It is God who shut Noah and his family into the ark (Genesis 7:16), and sent the wind over the earth (Genesis 8:1). “The flood is described in natural terms as the effects of sins (of violence in particular) with no divine act of intervention; only with the subsiding of the waters is God’s activity stated explicitly” (Fretheim, God and World, 80).

Why then did God state that He would send the flood? 

God said He would send the flood because He was taking the blame for the way the world had gone. 

God inspired the Biblical author to record that He sent the flood, not because He did send it, but because it was such a terrible thing that happened in His creation and as a good God who watches over His creation, He takes responsibility for things that happen in His world, even though He Himself did not “do” it.

Over and over in Genesis 7, the account says that the “water” killed every living thing (Genesis 7:17, 18, 19, 20, 24). The author of Genesis 7 is using the cosmic warfare motif to show that the waters are responsible for the death of everything that breaths; not God.

But what about Genesis 7:23? 

Here is one place where alternative translations from the Hebrew are justified, as found in various English translations. Most English translations provide the word “He” (some even blatantly put in “God”) as the subject of the opening statement in Genesis 7:23. The New King James Version is one example (cf. also ESV, NAS, NET, NLT, RSV):

So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.

But the Hebrew is vague about God’s involvement in sending the flood and destroying everything on earth that breathes. The King James Version shows the lack of clarity in the verse (cf. also NIV, NJB):

the floodAnd every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

This translation more closely resembles the surrounding context. The agent of the destruction is left unclear, though the immediately surrounding context indicates that the waters of the flood were responsible for taking the breath from every living thing.

In the end, the Genesis flood paints the portrait both ways. In some instances, God takes the blame for the death and destruction of all that breathes upon the earth, but in other verses, the guilty party is not so clear. It is my belief that the vagueness of the text is intentional. It is to show the reader—especially those who are aware of the cosmic warfare elements of this passage—that something might be going on behind the scenes which a quick surface-level reading of the text does not initially reveal.

Reading about the Flood through Christological Eyes

We now know, however, as we read about the flood through the lens of Jesus Christ, that God did not send the flood. The flood came as a result of humanity’s great evil upon the earth. 

When we consider the various elements of the Chaos Theory, it seems that this particular event may have been a mixture of nature being out of control and the destroyer seeking to destroy God’s good creation. God, of course, since He has a policy of non-intervention, let nature run its course but used His wisdom and mercy to raise up Noah to build an ark and proclaim the coming flood to any and all who would listen, repent, and be saved. In the end, however, only eight were rescued through the flood. All the rest of mankind kept themselves cut off and separated from the protective hand of God.

This way of reading the text allows God to look more like Jesus Christ and less like the gods of ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia (and even most gods of our own day) who hurl fire, lighting, drought, and flood upon those who displease them. Jesus is not like that. 

He blesses His enemies and forgives those who persecute Him. He represents a God who is love, who sends rain the righteous and the unrighteous, and the sun on the evil and the good. God did not send the flood. It came as a natural consequence of the great evil that was upon the earth, and specifically in response to the evil of the sons of God having children with the daughters of men. Since there is a bond between mankind and creation, when humanity falls into evil, creation falls into chaos along with it.

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

These are the sorts of questions we discuss and (try to) answer in my online discipleship group. Members of the group can also take ALL of my online courses (Valued at over $1000) at no charge. Learn more here: Join the RedeemingGod.com Discipleship Group I can't wait to hear what you have to say, and how we can help you better understand God and learn to live like Him in this world!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: flood, Genesis 6-8, Genesis 7, the flood, When God Pled Guilty

Getting Up to Speed on my book, “When God Pled Guilty”

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Getting Up to Speed on my book, “When God Pled Guilty”

book writingIf you have been reading this blog for the past eighteen months or so, you will know that I have been trying to write a book called When God Pled Guilty. The writing process of the book has been of twists and turns, stops and starts, but I finally feel that I am getting back on track, and so decided to write a post which kind of gets everyone up to speed and provides a bit of the back story. This is that post.

It all Began 15 Years Ago in Seminary

Though I did not initially set out to write a book on this subject, the idea for the book began about 15 years ago when I wrote a paper in Seminary about the origin of violence and evil. My proposal then was the same thing I am proposing now, that although God is not guilty for the sin and violence of the whole world, He takes the blame for it, that is, He bears responsibility for the sins of the world, because God knows that as the creator of all that is, the buck stops with Him! He is, in some sense, responsible! The primary place we see God taking responsibility in this way is in Jesus’ death on the cross.

That is what I argued 15 years ago, and have been trying to flesh out ever since. Much of this is seen in various sermons, books, articles, and writings from those fifteen years. Some of this is online; most of it is not.

A Commentary on Jonah

Two years ago I started writing a commentary on Jonah. I stalled out in chapter 1, however, because of the storm which God sent upon the sailors, and for which, there life was put in danger because of the disobedience of Jonah.

I wondered then, as many others have, “Did God really send this storm? If Jonah had not gotten thrown overboard, would God have seriously drowned these innocent sailors because of Jonah’s rebellion?” I decided then that I could not finish my life’s goal of writing commentary on the entire Bible (which seems impossible now) without fleshing out to a greater degree the proposal from 12 years earlier. 

So I set the commentary aside to research and write a full-fledged explanation of how to understand the violence of God in Scripture in light of the crucifixion of Jesus.

When God Pled Guilty

As part of my research and writing for this book, I read well over 100 books, many of which were quite helpful. Somewhere along the way, someone Tweeted to me that Greg Boyd was writing something similar, and so I checked out some of his recent sermons online and found that he does indeed seem to have a similar idea, though I still am not sure that he is arguing the same thing I am. We will have to wait and see when his book comes out.

I will fully admit though, that some of the main points of my “Chaos Theory” were gleaned from Greg Boyd’s sermons and writings. His insights into the “whirlwind” of what is going on around us in the natural and spiritual realms were really helpful in explaining some of the violence we see in the world today.

I was making what I thought was pretty good progress. I had developed my theory to my satisfaction, and then turned to Scripture to try to see if my proposed way of reading Scripture could actually make sense of the biblical text.

I started with the Flood in Genesis 6-8. That’s when I hit the wall. My theory drowned in the flood. I did the dog paddle for a while, trying to find some drift wood of the wreckage of my theory on which to float, but pretty soon, I sunk too. I wrote a lot about the flood, but I couldn’t finish my study of these chapters because it seemed I was missing some pieces to my proposal.

I had written 100,000 words for my book, and ended up with nothing but words.

book writing

I gave up for several months. I talked with some people. I read some books. Actually, I read LOTS of books.

I Read, Thought, Talked, and Wrote

read a lot of booksDuring this break, not only did I read a lot of books, but I thought a lot about the proposal, I talked with some people about it, and I wrote and wrote and wrote (Writing is how I learn and how I think).

I made some tweaks to the proposal and wording, and decided to try again. You have been seeing some of the recent developments in various posts over the past month.

By the way, even though I deleted quite a bit of my original 100,000 words, the manuscript now sits at 140,000 words. And I am only half done. Sigh. A normal book is about 50,000 words, so I don’t know what I am going to do…

Anyway, I am ready to go back and get beat over the head with the Bible. I am about to continue my wrestling match with Scripture.

Tomorrow, I am going to pick back up with the flood account and try to finish my explanation of what happened in that horrific event.

Here’s the thing though … What I write will probably make no sense to you unless you are somewhat familiar with the basic idea of my proposal, and have also read some of the background posts to the flood. So I invite you to go check some of them out. They are all listed on the When God Pled Guilty contents page.

After the flood, we will begin to work our way through some of the violent texts in Scripture, until we eventually arrive at the Book of Revelation, and then conclude with a study on Hell.

So … see you tomorrow in the flood! Hopefully I can finish the book this year!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: books, Books by Jeremy Myers, When God Pled Guilty

God Asks for Our Forgiveness

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God Asks for Our Forgiveness

We often think that it is only we who must go to God for forgiveness, but there is a sense in which God asks us to forgive Him.

forgiving God

No, it is not that God has sinned, but that He knows how much pain and suffering have come upon the world because of how He set it up to run. There was, of course, no other way the world could function and still accomplish God’s goal of having genuine, free relationships with humanity, but still, God in a sense “feels bad” about the way things have turned out, and as part of accepting responsibility for all the evil and violence in the world, on the cross, God also asks us to forgive Him for what has happened.

Some might object that God does not need to say “I’m sorry” for what He does not actually do.

Yet as humans, we do this all the time. One way to empathize with others who are experiencing great loss and pain is to come along side them in their suffering and say, “I am sorry.” Is their pain your fault? No, of course not. But saying you are sorry for what they are experiencing helps them know that someone notices their pain, cares about what they are going through, and is with them in their suffering.

Nevertheless, saying “I am sorry” is not the same thing as asking “Will you forgive me?” Yet even here, we have all experienced time sin our lives where we have accidentally caused pain in someone else’s life, and though we did not do it intentionally, we nevertheless ask for their forgiveness.

I have three daughters, and my wife and I have taught them that if, in the process of playing with each other, one accidentally hurts another, they should say “I am sorry” and “Please forgive me” even if they did not intend to hurt or harm their sister. Such behavior is expected. Such behavior is godly.

I believe it is on the cross where God shows the entire world that He is sorry for the pain we are experiencing, and He asks forgiveness for His part in this pain. Though He did not cause the pain and suffering (nor was it an accident on His part), because He is the Creator God who made the universe as it is, He accepts responsibility for how things have turned out, says He is sorry for what we are going through, and begs our forgiveness.

Dare we discern anything so outrageous as the idea that here God is making an atonement toward man for all that his desired creation costs man in the making: that he was making love’s amends to all those who feel, and have felt, that they cannot forgive God for all the pains which life has foisted, unwanted, upon them?

… Love in God’s fashion is indeed outrageous and a scandal because it does stoop and condescend to what, by lesser standards, it need not. Perhaps God in his love stands, not only as the bestower of forgiveness, but as the Father who, for the sake of the created who glory is his desire, even stoops to invite the forgiveness he cannot deserve in order to make it one degree easier for man to be drawn into the orbit of love (Elphinstone, Freedom, Suffering, and Love, 147).

forgive godGod stooped to become one of us, and took our sin upon Himself, so that He might be both the forgiver and the forgiven.

In Jesus, God asks us for forgiveness, so that we, in Jesus, might both bestow forgiveness to God and receive forgiveness from God.

The God who in Christ was reconciling the alienated uncomprehending world to himself is perhaps more ready than his defense counsel to admit responsibility and show that he is sharing the consequences.

… God does know more intimately than any the price his creatures have been paying for his huge adventure of making this universe of accident and freedom and pain as the only environment in which love could one day emerge to receive and delight in and respond to his joyous love. He still believes the outcome will outweigh the immense waste and agony, not least the agony of his seeming indifference and inaction. So, knowing we cannot understand, cannot forgive, what he is doing, God [in Christ] has come among us a fellow-being and fellow-sufferer to make amends and to win back trust (Taylor, The Christlike God, 204-205).

In Christ, God came to say, “I am sorry.”

Do you forgive God?

Do you forgive God for the pain you have experienced?

For the heartache of broken relationships?

For the suffering of sickness and death?

For the sin that rages all around us unchecked and unpunished?

For the loss, the fear, and the anguish of life?

For “not making a better world” (though none better was possible, See Kushner, When Bad Things Happen, 161)?

God has said, “I am sorry. Will you forgive me?” How will you respond?

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

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