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Hellish Evangelism

By Jeremy Myers
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Hellish Evangelism
hellish evangelism
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This is a little follow up post from yesterday where I said that Jesus did not in fact speak of hell more than heaven. Note that if what I proposed is true, then most of the passages in the Gospels that people think refer to hell, do not actually refer to hell.

If that is true, then there are very few passages in Scripture which do teach about hell! In fact, there may be only two or three.

And these rare passages use highly symbolic terminology which tells us that we basically know nothing about hell.

One Bible teacher whom I used to listen to a lot, believes that hell is in the center of the earth. His argument is that when the Bible talks about the grave, it uses terminology about people going down into the earth, and therefore, hell must be in the earth. I find this almost laughable, for it shows a complete disregard for biblical imagery and symbolic terminology. “Going down into the earth” refers to getting buried and returning to dust, not going to hell.

Anyway, the few passages which do in fact refer to a place of punishment speak of flames and a Lake of Fire. Does this mean that hell will actually be a place that is burning? I could be wrong, but I really doubt it.

Fire in Scripture, when used symbolically, always refers to judgment. Hell is simply going to be a place of judgment, and it is usually temporal in nature.

Hell will not be a place of torture or torment as depicted in the 1997 Science Fiction movie Event Horizon  (If you haven’t seen that movie, I don’t recommend it. It’s about a group of space travelers that travel to hell. And hell is very graphically depicted in the movie.)

Jonathan EdwardsSo since hell is not a place where God tortures people for eternity, I almost literally shake with anger when I read these words that Jonathan Edwards preached:

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.

Aside from his abhorrent view of hell, Edwards reveals a monstrous view of God and a despicable view of men. Forgive me for saying it, but this kind of evangelism can go to hell.

What is hell going to be like? Scripture doesn’t give us much indication.

Personally, I see a lot biblical and theological merit to the way C. S. Lewis portrayed it in his book The Great Divorce. He claimed he was not writing a theology of hell in this book, but I suspect he said that just to keep people from calling him a heretic. He pictures hell as a place where people live and exist because they want to, and where everybody gets exactly what they want. It is not torture. In that book, he wrote this:

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.

Lewis wrote elsewhere that the doors of hell are locked from the inside.

If you think about what life would be like if everybody got exactly what they wanted, it would be hell. Eventually, people couldn’t stand to be around each other. The longer they are there, the most disconnected they would become. In this sense, hell, ultimately, is eternal loneliness. It is eternal separation from God and others.

That, of course, is pretty hellish, but it is not the same as God torturing us for all eternity. Instead, it is God granting our desire to live apart from Him and live our lives exactly as we please.

Anyway, I will write a lot more about this when I get to the subject of hell in the current book I am writing on the violence of God, but I wanted to just give a short preview of my views on hell, and provide a follow-up from the post yesterday about whether Jesus spoke of hell more than heaven.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: CS Lewis, Discipleship, evangelism, hell

Does Jesus talk about Hell more than Heaven?

By Jeremy Myers
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Does Jesus talk about Hell more than Heaven?

burn in hellI sometimes hear pastors and teachers say that Jesus talked about hell more than heaven, and so we should do the same in our evangelism.

In other words, it is is often suggested that Jesus “scared” people into the kingdom. He threatened people with hell if they didn’t believe in Him, and so in our evangelism, we are perfectly justified in using threats of burning forever in hell and other similar scare tactics to get people into the Kingdom of God as well.

And it isn’t just the wacko fringe Christians who say this. I have heard it preached from the pulpits of some relatively “sane” evangelical churches. This sort of approach is also quite common in some of the leading evangelistic approaches of our day. People are trained to tell others that God is holy, righteous, and good, and since one sin is enough to condemn us to hell, God is justified in sending us there if we don’t believe in Jesus for eternal life.

And rather than shying away from hell, we are told to use it as a way to invite people into heaven. After all, we are told, Jesus preached about hell more than heaven, and so should we.

But is this true?

Is it true that Jesus talks about hell more than heaven?

In my book I am currently writing on the violence of God in the Bible, I will be including a full chapter on what the Bible says about hell, and the vast majority of that chapter will find its way here to this blog.

But by way of preview (and because the topic of this month’s synchroblog is hell), here are some of the main points I will be writing about in that chapter:

References to “fire” are usually not references to hell.

Jesus does speak about “fire” several times in the Gospels (e.g., Matt 3:10-12; 7:19; 13:40-50; John 15:6). But these references to fire are not references to a place of eternal torture for the unredeemed, but are simply symbols of temporal discipline and destruction that come upon some people as a result of straying from God’s instructions. Fire can even be for purification of believers (the Greek word for fire is pur) as seen in 1 Corinthians 3:15.

Sometimes Jesus refers to “hell fire” (e.g., Matt 5:22), but these are actually references to “Gehenna,” which I discuss in a later point.

The few references where fire may refer to the everlasting flames of hell are places like Matthew 25:41, and are used in reference to a place created for Satan and his angels. Do some humans end up there? It appears so, but again, this will not be for torture and torment. To explain why will have to wait for the book…

References to “the outer darkness” and “weeping and gnashing of teeth” are not references to hell.

There are several instances in Matthew where Jesus refers to “the outer darkness” and “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12; 13:42-50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30). These terms are sometimes used in connection with fire and so most people think they also refer to hell.

But they don’t.

A careful contextual study of most of these texts reveal that the image of “outer darkness” is a symbol of exclusion from blessing and honor, and the image of “weeping and gnashing of teeth” is a vivid symbol of deep and profound regret. The events discussed in these places are typically events that will take place at the Judgment Seat of Christ (which is only for believers) and the Wedding Supper of the Lamb (which is also only for believers).

Again, I need full studies to show this, and these will have to wait for my book…

References to “hades” and “gehenna” are not references to hell.

There are numerous references in the Greek New Testament to hades and gehenna, and regrettably, most English translations translate these words as “hell.” But a place of eternal, conscious torment is what modern people think of when they think of hell, this is not what first century Jewish people would have thought of when they heard the words hades and gehenna.

Hades, of course, is the ancient Greek god of the underworld, the god of death. In biblical usage, it is often a Greek translation from the Hebrew sheol, which means “the pit” or “the grave.” Neither of these are references to hell, but simply refer to the hole in the earth in which dead people are laid (cf. Acts 2:27, 31; Rev 20:13).

There is, of course, the story about the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31, which seems to equate hades with torturous flames in a pit of hell. But there are numerous problems with understanding this text as referring to what really happens to people after they die (for example, Lazarus is there with the rich man and they can communicate), and so it is dangerous to take this text to literally.

Fgehennainally, Gehenna refers to an actual place that existed outside the gates of Jerusalem. It was a little valley in which trash was thrown to be burned. This imagery must be understood wherever Jesus talks about “hell fire” and uses Gehenna (cf. Matt 5:22).

And do I need to say it? … Yes, I know a fuller explanation is wanted on all these terms and texts, but it will have to wait for the book…

When all of this is considered, we see that Jesus didn’t talk about hell more than heaven. He rarely mentions hell at all. As such, I think there is absolutely no place for threatening people with hell if they don’t believe in Jesus for eternal life. Yes, we can warn people (as Jesus did) about the disastrous temporal consequences of their sin, but threatening people with eternal torment in flames is neither Christlike nor theologically correct.

To say that Jesus warned people of hell and so should we is just plain wrong.

Jesus Really Didn’t Talk about Heaven that Much Either

Having said all this, Jesus really didn’t talk that much about heaven either.

Just as we don’t really want to scare people into believing Jesus, we shouldn’t try to bribe them either. While Jesus talks about heaven more than hell, neither have a big emphasis in His teaching.

Instead, Jesus frequently talks about everlasting life, and life in the kingdom of God. Eternal life, of course, begins the moment we believe in Jesus for it, but the longer we live in Him, the great the experience of eternal life gets.

And the Kingdom of God (or the Kingdom of Heaven) is not a synonym for heaven, but simply refers to the rule and reign of God in our lives.

If you want to evangelize, and you want follow the way of Jesus and the apostles, you don’t need to threaten or bribe. Simply lay out the grand vision of what life is like when we live it God’s way. Life under the rule and reign of God is a life of joy, freedom, contentment, fulfillment, and satisfaction. It is a life of laughter and delight. It is a life free from bondage and slavery and addiction. It is life as it was truly meant to be lived.

This is the life Jesus lived, and this is the life Jesus invited people into. If we want to evangelize others like Jesus, we don’t need to threaten them with hell or bribe them with heaven, but can simply invite them into a way of life is that is better than anything else the world has to offer.


This post is part of the May Synchroblog on the topic of hell. Below is a list of the other bloggers who participated this month. Go read what they have to say on the topic of hell.

  • Wesley Rostoll โ€“ย Hell, thoughts on annihilationism
  • K. W. Leslie โ€“ย Dark Christians
  • Angie Benjamin โ€“ย Hell Is For Real
  • Paul Meier โ€“ย Hell Is For Real โ€“ Iโ€™ve Been There and Came Back
  • Glenn Hager โ€“ย Abusing Hell
  • The Virtual Abbess โ€“ย What The Hell?
  • Kimbery Klein โ€“ย Hell, if I know.
  • Michael Donahoeย –ย Hell Yesโ€ฆor No?
  • Liz Dyer โ€“ย Hell? No!
  • Margaret Boelman –ย Hell No I Wonโ€™t Go
  • Loveday Anyim โ€“ย Why the hell do you believe in hell?
  • Linda –ย The Y In The Road
  • Edwin Aldrich โ€“ย What the Hell do we really know.
  • Mallory Pickering โ€“ย The Time I Blogged About Hell
  • Elaine โ€“ย What The Hell?

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, evangelism, fire, gehenna, hades, heaven, hell, sheol, synchroblog, Theology of the End Times

Stop Being Heterosexual

By Jeremy Myers
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Stop Being Heterosexual

I am a “straight” heterosexual male.

I don’t really have an opinion on whether homosexuality is genetic or a choice.

One thing I am quite sure of, however, is that since I am straight, I could never “choose” to be gay. Therefore Amy’s answer to this Christian mother about her gay son is quite good:

heterosexual

I don’t know what your opinions are about LGBT people. But let me encourage you to follow Amy’s advice. If you cannot change who you are attracted to, don’t ask LGBT people to do it either.

Of course, I think there may be a difference between having certain desires and acting up on them, but that is a different subject altogether…

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, gay, heterosexual, homosexual, lgbt

Sometimes all I can do is sigh…

By Jeremy Myers
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Sometimes all I can do is sigh…

Sigh…

religion at its best

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: love of God, religion, Theology of God

52 God Memes that will either make you laugh or angry (depending on your theology)

By Jeremy Myers
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52 God Memes that will either make you laugh or angry (depending on your theology)

As I write about the violence of God in the Bible and have conversations about this with various people I interact with during the week, I often tell people that one of the reasons this is such an important topic is because Christians need a better answer to provide the world than the ones we have always given. Usually, the stock Christian answer to the violence of God in Scripture is “God is God and can do what He wants.”

I am not fond of that answer.

In fact, let me go so far as to say that if what God wants to do is slaughter people because they don’t do what He wants, then I don’t mind it so much if people decide not to worship a God like that.

Anyway, one of the objections I occasionally get (but not too often, thankfully) to this whole series on the violence of God is that we don’t really need a better answer to give the world, because the world isn’t too concerned about the violent portrayals of God in the Bible.

I think I understand what people mean when they say this. I think they mean that most people in the world aren’t thinking too much about whether or not God is violent. That’s probably true. Maybe.

Yet in my conversations with people who do not believe in God or who want nothing to do with Him, it seems that more often than not, the issue of His violence in the Bible is often mentioned in the first few minutes of the conversation about why they cannot believe in the God of the Bible. Maybe it’s just who I talk with…

Anyway, I was looking for some images recently for one of my blog posts on the violence of God in the Bible and came across a whole series of internet God memes, and guess what? A large number of these God memes are about the violence of God in the Bible.

Frankly, I found most of these God memes quite humorous, but also quite telling. If one of the common themes in this God meme is about God’s violence in the Bible, doesn’t this imply that people are thinking about it? Maybe it’s just atheist trying to mock the Bible, but even if so, don’t we need a better answer than “God is God and can do what He wants”?

I think so.

Anyway, I though I would include some of the God memes I found online for your viewing enjoyment. Some of you might get upset at some of these. Don’t. If we cannot laugh at ourselves, or of we are too thin-skinned to allow others to laugh at us, then we should not be doing theology and should not spending time online.

Here then, are the 52 God Memes I found online. Most follow the same “meme” pattern, but there’s a few at the end I threw in for good measure.

And yes, there may be some repeats. Deal with it.

52 God Memes

allmygodmemes

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 violence of God memes

 trollphotou1

  god_slavery_meme

049-God-Logic

 christian-belief-vik-religion-1384474908

 008-God-created-Hell

 

036-God-PWNS

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: atheists, God memes, humor, laugh, salvation, Theology of God, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

Is “The Song of Deborah” Sexually Suggestive and Bawdy?

By Jeremy Myers
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Is “The Song of Deborah” Sexually Suggestive and Bawdy?

The Song of DeborahNote: This post is rated PG-13.

People who say the Bible is boring probably need to forget everything they have ever heard about the Bible and begin to read it as the masterpiece of literature that it is.

We are so used to reading the Bible as a โ€œHoly Bookโ€ that we often fail to see how humorous and delightful it can be โ€ฆ even, at times, scandalous and bawdy.

I was recently reading through a commentary on Judges and was struck by the sexually suggestive imagery of the song of Deborah and Barak in Judges 5.

The Song of Deborah in Judges 5

The Song of Deborah and Barak in Judges 5 sounds a bit like a drinking song one might have heard in an Ancient Near Eastern bar frequented by fighting men.

The Song of Deborah is definitely not a โ€œchurch song.โ€

After contrasting Israelโ€™s God with the fertility gods in that region (Judges 5:3-7), and giving a shout-out to all the tribes that participated in the battle (Judges 5:14-18), Deborah and Barak recount the highlights of the battle (Judges 5:19-23), and then focus on the victorious blow, when the woman Jael defeated General Sisera in her tent.

Here is where the song of Deborah gets quite sexually suggestive. You can almost hear the soldiers whooping and hollering as Deborah and Barak sing this explicit song. Rather than lay it all out for you, let me simply quote from Chisholmโ€™s translation of the song of Deborah in Judges 5, and you can fill in the details for yourself:

Her hand reached for the tent peg,
Her right hand for the workmanโ€™s hammer;
She โ€œhammeredโ€ Sisera,
โ€ฆ
Between her legs he collapsed,
He went limp, he was lifeless;
Between her legs he collapsed, he went limp โ€ฆ
(Judges 5:26-27)

 

Sisera - Jael - Song of DeborahLater in the song, Siseraโ€™s mother is seen to looking out the window, wondering what is taking her son so long to come home, and her maids basically say, โ€œMost likely he is out raping women and grabbing for their clothes; donโ€™t worry, heโ€™ll be home soonโ€ (Judges 5:28-30). Little does she know that in taking women for himself, his life has been taken by a woman.

The song of Deborah seems to be full of irony and sexually suggestive imagery, not the sort of song you usually hear in church.

The Song of Deborah and the Hebrew Text

Of course, if you check some of the traditional translations of the Song of Deborah in Judges 5, the imagery is not as obvious (e.g., in the NIV and NASB), and having looked up the Hebrew text for myself, I am not actually certain that the above translation is best. But Chisholm is a Hebrew expert, and who am I to disagree?

For all I know, Chisholm meant nothing of the sort, and I just have a mind that is in the gutter so that I read things into the text that are not there…

Any Hebrew scholars want to weigh in on this translation of the Song of Deborah? 

Regardless, these sorts of things are in the Bible (The Song of Solomon, for example), and no, these are not the sorts of observations you usually hear from the pulpit.

 

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible reading, Bible Study, Deborah, Judges 5

Why I don’t pray for miracles

By Jeremy Myers
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Why I don’t pray for miracles

It always troubles me that Christians so often seek the supernatural intervention of God in our daily affairs. You know, โ€œmiracles.โ€

Can God perform miracles? Of course. Does He? Yes. Would I like to see more miracles? Without a doubt.

And yet, I sometimes think that the reason we donโ€™t see more miracles is simply because God is performing miracles in our midst every moment of every day and they are so commonplace, we fail to see them.

The rising of the sun, the falling of the rain, a bird in flight, are all miracles of majestic glory. Oh sure, we can explain the physics and the science behind such occurrences, but even that is a miracle. Language and logic are no less a miracle than God separating light from darkness or dividing the Red Sea for His people to walk through on dry land.

Think about it! And in thinking, wonder even at your ability to think!

miracle of a sunrise

Away with this desiring after miracles, this prayer for divine intervention, and this longing for the supernatural. The โ€œnaturalโ€ is more than enough miracle for me. โ€œIt is illogical to suppose that Godโ€™s trademark is the supernatural, seeing that the natural processes are the ones he madeโ€ (Taylor, Christlike God, 217).

If anything, the greatest miracle of all is not found in the supernatural, but in the supranatural, that is, in Godโ€™s ability to enter into the โ€œstuffโ€ he made, and work within it, with it, and from it to accomplish His divine will.

You want a miracle? Donโ€™t pray for a miracle. Pray instead to see the miracles that are exploding all around you every second of every day.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, miracle, prayer, supernatural

Do you REALLY Trust Jesus?

By Jeremy Myers
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Do you REALLY Trust Jesus?

trust JesusNo, this is not a post about whether or not you have truly believed in Jesus for eternal life, or how to tell if you have truly trusted Jesus or not.

I want to encourage you to ask yourself whether or not you truly trust Jesus for other people.

That is, do you believe Jesus is able to lead other people into the kind of life He wants for them?

Do you Trust Jesus to Lead Other People?

Do you trust Jesus enough with your friends, your neighbors, and your family members to know that He will correct them when needed, teach them what they need to know, and lead them to where He wants, when He wants?

There are, of course, place for rules and guidelines, especially for parents raising children and other similar situations, but when it comes to trusting Jesus to guide and lead others in the journey He has for them, it is difficult to trust Jesus.

It is Difficult to Trust Jesus for Other People

Instead, what usually happens is this:

We are following Jesus as best as we know how, and one day, we come across a truth, or read an idea in a book, or discover something amazing about Scripture, or learn a key to defeating a certain sin in our life, or uncover a way to become more joyful, or find some tips for having a better marriage and family life, or whatever.

We are so excited about this (and rightly so), we want everyone else to know about it to. We create a program, a system, a set of rules, a practical guideline for others to follow, so that they can learn the same things we learned, and get to do the same things we do. This too, is fine. There is no problem with teaching others what we have learned also.

really trust Jesus

But then the problems start. Some people may try to follow our steps and fail. Or they read what we have written and they disagree. Or maybe they show absolutely no interest in anything we have to say.

In these cases, we see the “problems” in their life that would get fixed if they just learned and followed the same things we did.

When this happens, we get upset at the other people who “failed.” We want them to experience what we experienced, and get frustrated when we pour our hearts out to help people, and they reject it.

It is at this point that have stopped trusting Jesus to lead other people, just as He has led us. We have tried to substitute ourselves for Jesus, or our ideas for what others need next in their life for Jesus’ ideas.

We need to learn to trust Jesus to lead the lives of others in His own way and in His own time. He knows what each person needs and when they need it.

He knows better than we do where each person is in their life with Him. Maybe He knew that we were ready for a certain truth after we had been a Christians for two months, but another person is not ready for that same truth until they have been a Christian for two decades.

This, by the way, doesn’t mean we are “further along” the path of discipleship than they are, for it is quite likely that there are things which Jesus has taught that other person which we have not yet learned and will not learn for another three decades! We need to trust God to lead people in His own way and His own time.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, following Jesus, trust Jesus

Reader Appreciation Day!

By Jeremy Myers
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Reader Appreciation Day!

On a recent trip to Denver I was able to meet with five of the people who read this blog and discovered that I wish I knew you all a little bit better!

So this post is your opportunity to let me get to know you, and allow you to introduce yourself and get to know one another.

introduce yourself

In the comment section below, tell us a bit about yourself, your story, and where you are at with God, church, and Christian theology right now. What big issues are you facing? What big questions do you have?

If you want, include a line about where you currently live (e.g., which city) so that others who may live near you can connect with you, or maybe I can connect with you if I travel to your area.

If you blog, please include a link to your blog in your comment, and state in a sentence or two what your blog is about.

If you have written a book, please link to where people can learn more about it and buy a copy.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: blogging, Blogging, community

How to Know You Are Ready to be a Mother

By Jeremy Myers
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How to Know You Are Ready to be a Mother

Happy Mother’s Day!

If you are not a mother (I’m looking at all you men, and all you young women), here is a test you can take to see if you could be a mother.

As for all you mother’s, thank you, thank you, thank you for being such great mothers, and somehow, getting through the tough years of being a mother.

How Know if You are Ready to be a Mother

Appreciate your mother? Send this to her today using the share buttons below!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, mothers, mothers day

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