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Storms are Not from God

By Jeremy Myers
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Storms are Not from God

storm vs GodAs we seek to learn why bad things happen in this world, we are looking at several principles of a theological chaos theory. We are currently discussing the point that due to the fall of humanity, nature has spun out of control. In yesterday’s post we saw that Scripture and theology seems to indicate that in some way humans were enabled by God to guide and control natural forces, but when we sinned, we lost this ability, and nature spun out of control.

Due to sin, we lost control of the powers that control nature, and having spun out of control, they now wreak havoc on the world. There is now disarray and chaos in creation.

From this, we can know several things.

Storms are Not Sent “From God”

First, when storms and disasters occur, they do not “come from God.” Storms are not sent by God. (I know that some will object and point to the Flood or to the storm that God sent to bring back a fleeing Jonah. We will look at these texts at a later time.)

Storms occur because the forces of nature are out of control. Much of the work of God on earth is focused on protecting humanity from complete destruction at the hand of these destroying powers. Sometimes God “withdraws” His hand of protection and allows storms to rage, but we must be careful with saying that this is why all storms occur. We do not know why God allows some storms. When it comes to storms, there is much we do not know.

For example, we will never know all of the boundaries that God has placed upon the destructive powers so that they do not overwhelm and annihilate mankind forever. We can never know how many disasters have been averted, how many floods have been avoided, how many meteorites have been nudged off course by God. And when storms and disasters do occur, we can never know what string of events and decisions by God, angels, and human beings led to that storm occurring.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Chaos Theory, flood, free will, nature, powers, storms, Theology of God, tornado, When God Pled Guilty

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God is Not Absent

By Jeremy Myers
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God is Not Absent

God seeks loveAs we try to understand the theology behind the idea that on the cross, Jesus reveals to us what God was doing in the Old Testament, we are in a section where we recognize that there are no “pat answers” to the problem of evil in the world, and that the situation is much more complex than most of us realize. I have about six points to a “Chaos Theory” which help us understand why bad things happen in this world.

In a previous post I suggested that God has a policy of non-intervention. In this post I want to emphasize that I am not presenting the “deist” view of God. I do not think that God is the cosmic clock maker who wound the gears of the universe to get things started and then left us to our own devices. The fact of God’s policy of non-intervention does not mean that God is off playing golf somewhere while we struggle on our own with wars, tornadoes, and terrorism. No, God is intimately involved in our daily lives, but this first point of the chaos theory simply argues that God is such a believer in having true relationships with His creatures, that He gave us true and genuine freedom within creation, so that we can choose to love and serve Him (or not).

Does this mean then that God does not act upon creation at all?

No! Quite to the contrary, God is extremely active.

God Woos Us

Like a lover, He calls and woos us to follow Him and His ways. He nudges, winks, and whispers. He paints pictures and writes poems. He invites us to imagine things differently than they are, and in so imagining, invites us to join with Him in helping our imagination become reality.

This process of thinking about the future with a divinely inspired imagination and then working with God to bring our imagination into reality is called The Prophetic Imagination by theologian and Bible scholar Walter Brueggemann. One of the reasons God gave us freedom and liberty is so that we could work with Him in bringing His rule and reign on the earth.

Prayer Invites God to Intervene

Prayer also is one of the means by which God has allowed us to change events. Sometimes God wants to act in a certain way, but the lack of prayer restricts His actions.

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Theology of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Greg Boyd Stole My Book!

By Jeremy Myers
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Greg Boyd Stole My Book!

Greg BoydI recently started listening to the podcast of Greg Boyd. In case you don’t know who he is, Greg Boyd is a pastor of Woodlands Hills Church, theologian, scholar, and author of numerous books.

If he is so smart, how come he has to steal my books and ideas and peddle them off as his own?!!!

…Oh …. wait….  my bad.

Apparently, he taught it first, so I could be accused of stealing his ideas.

Oops.

I take it all back. Sorry, Greg!

Here is what happened…

When I started listening to Greg’s Podcast a few months ago, I also started checking out his blog every once in a while at ReKnew.org.

A while back, he posted a video in which he talks about a sermon he preached back in July. Apparently, he suggested something controversial in that sermon about how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament. This led one lady to think he was falling into the Marcion heresy of rejecting the entire Old Testament, and so he posted this video in response to her question:

I watched the video on Friday night. As he summarized some of what he taught in that sermon back in July, I thought to myself, “Hmmm… this sounds surprisingly similar to what I have been writing about in my recent series on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament and especially in relation to what Jesus did on the cross.”

So, I went and downloaded the sermon, and listened to it yesterday during my commute to work. The Sermon is called “God’s Shadow Activity” and you can listen to it here. OR, if you prefer reading, check out the sermon transcript.

As I listened to the sermon, I noticed that Greg’s way of approaching the subject was somewhat similar to my approach. He wants to maintain the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture, and he wants to interpret the actions of God in the Old Testament through the interpretive lens of Jesus Christ — specifically what Jesus did on the cross.

As he went through his sermon though, I was not sure that he and I were arguing the same thing. He seemed to be arguing more for God’s divine accommodation to human ignorance and sinfulness. He basically argued that God did what He did in the Old Testament because Israel was not ready for the full revelation of Himself which came in Jesus Christ.

I see why Greg would argue this way, and I see the strengths of it, but I am uncomfortable with stating the problem in that fashion. So as the sermon went on, I began to think I was mistaken, that Greg and I were not arguing the same thing at all.

But then, right at about 50 minutes into the sermon (it is slightly more than 1 hour) Greg got into the subject of how to interpret the violent actions of God in the Old Testament in light of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and how to do this so that we can maintain the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture.

Gods Shadow ActivityAnd let me tell you, he NAILED it. He basically said the same thing I have been saying in my series on this blog.

Greg phrased things much differently that I have, but in general, we seem to be saying the same thing. His way of phrasing things is probably more careful, accurate, and theologically sound, but I would say that my way is more bold and courageous. Of course, I have less to lose than he does, and since nobody knows who I am, I will get attacked less.

Greg talked about how on the cross, and out of love for all humanity, Jesus took on the ugliness of sin. And since it is on the cross where Jesus most fully reveals to us what God is like, then we can believe that God’s ugly actions in the Old Testament are similar. He is not “doing” these things, but is taking the ugliness of Israel’s sin onto Himself. He inspires the human authors to write about Him in these ways so that He can paint the outline, or picture (Greg calls it a shadow) of what Jesus will do for all humanity on the cross.

So if you have questions and doubts about what I have been writing recently, I encourage you to go listen to Greg’s sermon. Maybe the way he phrases and explains the issue will make more sense.

As for myself, I was encouraged to see that someone else is thinking along the same lines. Maybe I am not a heretic after all…. or maybe both Greg and I are heretics… ha!

Either way, the argument could be made that Greg didn’t steal my stuff; I stole his! But I didn’t! Like Greg, I have been mulling this over in my head for years, and have written about it numerous times on this blog over the past few years, and only yesterday listened to his sermon where he laid out his proposal.

My book on the subject will most likely be out before Greg’s, but I look forward to reading what he writes when his finally gets published. I think he said his will be titled, The Crucifixion of the Warrior God. My working title is When God Pled Guilty (but this might change). My book will be out later this year (if all goes as planned). 

As always, if you want a free digital copy of the book when it comes out, you can get one by subscribing to the email newsletter.

And if any of you know Greg Boyd, tell him it’s okay, he can “borrow” my stuff any time he wants…

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Greg Boyd, Theology of God, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Which God Do You Know?

By Jeremy Myers
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Which God Do You Know?

This is a Guest Post from Tyson Phillips. Tyson and his sister Tammy grew up in the Midwest. Tyson and his family now live discreetly on the West Coast, very near a large orchid tree.

If you would like to write a guest post for this blog, check out the guidelines here.

Everybody thinks they know, love, and serve the “right” God. But do they? Which God do you know and serve?

The Angry God

angry godIn those writings most Christians refer to as the Old Testament, we find a God who bears a striking resemblance to the gods of the nations that surrounded ancient Israel. Anger him and you suffered (poor crops, infertility, death at the hand of the enemy, the earth opened and swallowed you). Please him and you were blessed (good crops, many children, victory in battle).

Dare to venture too close to that God and you would be struck dead. Remember the sons of Abinadab who touched the ark when the oxen stumbled (“the Lord almighty, who is enthroned between the chrerubim that are on the ark”), and were struck dead. Remember the Holy of Holies. Only the High Priest may enter, and then only under extremely restricted conditions. Any who violated those restrictions were struck dead.

The God of Love

Is it possible for us to see a God who by his actions said, “You don’t have it quite right. I am not exactly who you think I am. Therefore I will come and walk among you, heal your diseases and teach you who I really am”? The Jesus of the New Testament differs remarkably from the God portrayed in the Old Testament.

God of Love in Jesus Christ

Yet we believe God is unchanging. If that is the case, what must have changed is our understanding of God. Rather than a God who was supposedly behind everything bad that happened (dishing out punishment, judgment or whatever you want to call it), we find the God who loves, the God who freely gives grace and fellowship with himself.

Mixed Messages

We must remember that those who wrote the books of the New Testament had been schooled in the God of the Old Testament. Even those who had walked with Jesus had not forgotten that God. Do not vestiges of that God appear in their writings?

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God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: guest post, Theology of God

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Rethinking the Punishment of God

By Jeremy Myers
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Rethinking the Punishment of God

The punishment of GodIn response to a great question from Chuck McKnight on my post Why God Never Punishes Sin, I decided I had better write a short post about the Greek words kolazo and kolasis, specifically in reference to some of the New Testament uses of the word “punishment.” This post is not exactly a word study of those words, but a general theological clarification for how to deal with some of these tough texts in the Bible that deal with the topic of punishment.

In my previous post, Why God Never Punishes Sin, and then in a follow-up post, More Reasons Why God Never Punishes Sin, I stated my belief that God never punishes sin.

Instead of punishing sin, I suggested that God disciplines and judges instead. Most of the words in the Old and New Testaments which are frequently translated as “punish” can be translated as “discipline” or “judge” instead. Maybe it is splitting hairs, but for me, the concept of punishment seems to imply the inflicting of pain upon someone else for something bad they did to you. I just don’t see that Jesus reveals this kind of God, a God that is vindictive toward His enemies, who inflicts pain and punishment on people because they go against His will.

Although … I suppose their can be painful consequences of discipline. I have been disciplined a lot in life, and as I look back, many of those times were quite painful.

This picture makes fun (and rightly so!) of some of the bad theology we hear from some churches about why hurricanes and earthquakes happen.
This picture makes fun (and rightly so!) of some of the bad theology we hear from some churches about why hurricanes happen.

So maybe I should be even more precise…. When I think of “punishment” I am thinking of floods, earthquakes, famines, hurricanes, asteroids, pestilence, and other natural disasters. It is quite common in some Christian circles to say that when a city is flattened by a hurricane, or when an earthquake strikes, or when a tsunami kills thousands, that this is “divine punishment” upon that area and those people.

I couldn’t disagree more.

The same goes for when a house burns down, a child dies, a person gets a terminal disease, or any other such disaster that can happen in life. None of these should ever be understood as God’s punishment. He doesn’t do these things.

These sorts of things happen in the kind of world God has created, especially in the one that has been skewed so terribly by sin. So in a way, these bad things that happen are a result of sin, but not because God is reaching down with his finger and squashing people like bugs because they took His name in vain, or broke one of His other commandments. This is not the kind of God we serve, or the kind of God revealed to us in Jesus Christ.

So my basic argument is this:

  • God is good.
  • Sin is bad.
  • Sin has bad consequences, both upon those who do the sins, and upon those who do not.
  • These consequences are not from a good God, but are the natural consequences of sin.

One of the things accomplished by our good God in Jesus Christ, was the implementation of a plan to do away with all sin, and the consequences of sin. God doesn’t punish sin. Instead, He takes steps to do away with sin, and to remove it’s consequences. How did He do this? Primarily by taking the consequences of sin upon Himself.

Many people say that since God created a world in which sin was possible, God Himself is responsible for the sin that is committed. In a way, God agrees, which is partly why He took the sin of the world upon Himself in Jesus Christ.  But I am getting way off subject here, and into dangerous waters, so let me back up to the real point of this post.

I said in the previous posts that God does not punish. So what then do I do with passages like Matthew 25:46?

And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Or what do I do with 2 Peter 2:9?

The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment.

Understand that much of this is still theoretical, but I think of these sorts of passages this way:

Does Got torture people?First, note that both texts seem to refer to something that happens to people after they die. I don’t know what sorts of “punishment” God might have in store for people after death, but again, using Jesus as the guiding principle, I highly doubt that God is going to torture people for all eternity by burning them in fire. I do not believe in annihilationism, nor do I believe in universalism, but I also do not believe in eternal conscious torment.

The punishment that happens to unbelievers after they die will involve eternal separation from God, and this in itself is punishment enough. No person on this earth has ever fully experienced full separation from God since He is always fully present everywhere. But those who want nothing to do with God will be granted their desire. Punishment is not something God inflicts upon people, but is a natural consequence of choosing to serve sin and self rather than God.

That is the way I understand these sorts of texts.

God has given humans genuine freedom, so much so that if they choose to reject Him, He honors their choice, including the painful consequences (for them AND for Him) that their choice entails. Punishment is not something God inflicts upon others when He is slighted. No, it is something that happens as a result of choosing our own way rather than God’s. And in a sense, as we see in Jesus on the cross, God Himself gets punished as a result of our poor choices as well. In a sense, when humans get punished for their own sin, God gets punished as well.

One other verse bears mentioning here. It is one of the key verses in my “theology” and I mentioned it a few weeks ago in a post about assurance. Interestingly, this verse also mentions punishment. The verse is 1 John 4:18:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. (NAS)

The Greek is a little ambiguous in the phrase “fear involves punishment” which is why you will see some different translations in our various English Bibles. It literally says, “fear has punishment” which doesn’t make much sense, and so translators try to clarify the meaning. Aside from the NAS above, some say “fear has to do with punishment” (ESV, NIV, NRSV, NET), or “fear involves torment” (NKJV), and a  few others. However it is translated, the basic idea is this:

Fear contains the punishment itself. This means that the man who lives in fear (before God) is already punished by this fear. His fear is his punishment. This thoughts may be linked with the express statement in John 3:18 that the unbeliever is judged already. The opposite of fear is love. Perfect love is free from every fear, because perfect love for God drives out fear before Him (TDNT, III:817).

This once again shows that any punishment that results from sin is the natural consequence of sin itself, and is not divine punishment at all. When we know how much God loves us, this not only frees us from fear of punishment, but it also frees us from the desire to sin, because we know that God only wants what is best for us, and His instructions are not to destroy our joy or ruin our lives, but to increase our enjoyment of life, and help us live better, longer, healthier, happier lives. This doesn’t always happen, because we live in a twisted world (cf. the book of Job), but when we experience pain and suffering, it is never because God is punishing us for some real (or imagined) sin against Him.

God doesn’t punish. He restores. He loves. He heals.

And of course, as we see in Jesus Christ, He suffers right along with us, bearing the Lion’s share of the pain in this world.

Hopefully, this email has helped you see that God is not angry with you about your sin, nor is He looking for ways to keep from forgiving you. No, God loves you and forgives you. He is looking for ways to work with you in helping you gain freedom from the power of sin in your life and deliverance from the destructive consequences of sin. If you have areas of sin you are struggling with, know that God wants to work with you in these areas; He is not out to punish you for them.

God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: 1 John 4:18, 2 Peter 2:9, punishment, sin, Theology of God, Theology of Jesus, Theology of Sin

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