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Are Greg Boyd and I arguing the same thing?

By Jeremy Myers
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Are Greg Boyd and I arguing the same thing?

A couple weeks ago, I announced that I was giving up on my proposal (…again).

Then Chuck McKnight alerted me to this video interview of Greg Boyd by Nate Cunningham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pBVQmC09Vw&feature=share&t=13m40s

The video should start at the 13:40 mark, but if it doesn’t, that is where the interview begins to talk about Greg Boyd’s proposal on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament.

Greg Boyd’s view sounds shockingly similar to the view I am having great difficultly defending from Scripture. I am not at all saying that Greg Boyd is borrowing from me (he doesn’t know me), but it makes me wonder if I was on the right track after all…

Sigh…

06/26/14 UPDATE:

As a follow-up from the comments below, here is a much more in-depth video about Greg Boyd’s proposal (thanks to Soli Deo Gloria):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CkCGR9YI4&feature=share&t=28m00s

It sounds shockingly similar to what I have been arguing. I promise I have never watched this video before until yesterday (June 25, 2014). The things he is talking about in this video I was writing about over a year ago. But it looks like he gave this Q&A several months before that… So did Greg Boyd steal my book, or did I steal his? Neither!

I was listening to a podcast this morning from 2012 where Raborn Johnson and Steve Sensenig talked about a Theology Rooted in Love, and they were saying many of the same things as well!

You know what I think is going on? This is another example where the Spirit of God moves in the hearts and minds of people all around the world to see similar truths at similar times so that we all work together to teach and learn what the Spirit is saying to the church. It is, as Richard Rohr calls it, the spiritual “symbiosis” between mutual members of the Body of Christ (Things Hidden, 2).

Anyway, watch the videos above, and then let me know what you think in the comments below.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, Greg Boyd, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Adolph Hitler on the Inspiration of Scripture

By Jeremy Myers
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Adolph Hitler on the Inspiration of Scripture

No, Adolph Hitler never spoke about the inspiration of Scripture (that I know of).

But last week I posted two blog posts that got quite a bit of discussion, and I found the comments on these two posts quite … ironic.

They were these two posts:

  • The Hitler Billboard
  • Inspiration of Scripture and other writings

Here is what happened:

The Hitler Billboard Post

In the first post I criticized a church for putting up a billboard which quoted Hitler. I thought that a church had no business quoting Hitler, even if what Hitler said was true.

If you go read the comments, you see that the vast majority of the comments were in favor of quoting Hitler. Though these are not exact quotes of anybody, many people said things like “All truth is God’s truth” and “We should be able to recognize that other people may teach God’s truth, even if we don’t like what they stand for.”

all truth is gods truth

OK. I see the point. I also agree (for the most part).

But just as I would never quote Satan approvingly (even if it was a true statement), I don’t think churches should be quoting Hitler.

But whatever … people are free to disagree. (As many of them did.)

The very next day, however, I posted another post, and I was shocked at the response.

Inspiration and Other Religions

In this post, I argued that God has been whispering His truth to lots of people throughout time, not just to a select few Jews in a small corner of the world for a short period of time.

As such, I argued, it should not be surprising for us to find divine truth in the writings of other religions.

Judging by some of the comments I received, you would think I had just announced my conversion to atheism!

The Two Posts Compared…

But then it hit me …

Why is it okay to accept “truth” as “God’s truth” when it comes from Hitler, but it is heretical to accept “truth” as “God’s truth” when it comes from Buddhist Sutras, Hindu Vedas, or Native American legends?

If all truth is God’s truth (as people claimed on the Hitler post), then why are some so shocked when some of God’s truth is found in the writings of other religions?

I just don’t understand.

I suppose it was because I used the word “inspired” in the second post, though I tried to clarify that what I meant by “inspired” was “God whispering His truth to people.” That’s not deserving of being called a heretic, is it? All I am saying is that God has somehow taught truth to people who were not biblical authors. Heck, maybe that’s how Hitler learned the truth he stated about children, which was quoted in that billboard!

I wonder what would have happened if I had been able to find a quote from Hitler which said the same thing I said in the second post … people’s minds would have exploded!

Anyway, I thought it was strangely ironic that in one post I am condemned for one thing, and in the very next post, I am condemned for exactly the opposite (sometimes by the same people!).

“We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;
We sang a dirge, and you did not mourn” (Matthew 11:17)

God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Blogging, Discipleship, Hitler, inspiration, inspiration of Scripture, religions, scripture

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Why C. S. Lewis was a master at theological writing

By Jeremy Myers
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Why C. S. Lewis was a master at theological writing

Ever wonder why C. S. Lewis was so influential in his thinking and theological writing? It is because C. S. Lewis translated his theology into language that anybody could understand.

CS Lewis writing

This was not accidental, but intentional. Here is what C. S. Lewis said on the matter:

You must translate every bit of your theology into the vernacular. This is very troublesome, and it means you can say very little in half an hour, but it is essential.

It is also the greatest service to your own thought. I have come to the conviction that if you cannot translate your thoughts into uneducated language, then your thoughts were confused. Power to translate is the test of having really understood one’s own meaning.

This came from Alister McGrath’s excellent biography of C.S. Lewis (p. 208). If you haven’t read it yet, click the link above to get a copy from Amazon. It is the best biography on Lewis I have ever read.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Books I'm Reading, CS Lewis, Discipleship, Theology - General, writing

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Would you rather spend $10k or $100k to do African missions work?

By Jeremy Myers
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Would you rather spend $10k or $100k to do African missions work?

african mission tripIn a recent post on evangelism, an African evangelist posted some comments that I though were quite good. His name is Godfrey Mawa, and here is what he wrote about how western missionaries often spend money on their African mission trips (I edited his comments somewhat for this post):

Your thoughts are great and there are very few people who have such a heart and who are willing to help native missionaries to impact their villages, cities and nations. 

I agree with what you wrote: native African missionaries are more effective than visiting missionaries. I can’t be more effective than a trained American evangelist in reaching Americans for Christ as many barriers will hinder me from efficiency.

Over the span of the past years, I have seen many missionaries spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on air flights, expensive hotel bills, and other expenses.  Yet in Africa, $10,000 will do a significant evangelistic work, or buy land for a school project, an orphanage or anything that can add value to the kingdom of God.

Nevertheless, some Christian relief missionaries will spend $100,000 to bring in donations worth $1,000 . I saw this during our recent mission to the war-torn Northern Uganda (in response to Joseph Kony and LRA rebels insurgencies/atrocities that lasted for over 20 years). It was not uncommon to see a missionary using a private jet, spending their stay on safaris and first-class hotels, while they give one-time foodstuffs and used clothes as donations. Of course, while they are handing out the food and clothing, they also take lots of good pictures and videos for their Praise Reports.

I have evaluated that, as a native African missionary, my team and I can do more effective work in evangelism with $10,000 than a visiting missionary can do with $100,000. 

A lot of churches in the developed world believe in their own trained missionaries and that’s why they would rather spend the larger amount. There is some legitimacy to their concern. Sometimes they have heard of or dealt with the wrong native persons before examining or training them, and these native African missionaries have disappointed them. This has killed the trust for native African missionaries. Nevertheless, there are still great native African missionaries who will work unto changing their communities and people towards the values of Christ.

My prayer is that churches and missionaries will use God given resources with good stewardship, as evangelism yields amazing fruits. The needy orphans, widows and helpless people helped and nations changed with a holistic approach. That way, the Lord will be praised! The nations will declare His praises. 

At my request for more information about his missionary team, he sent in this information:

I am available to advise any missionaries interested in doing a mission work in Africa on how to be cost effective, yet with great results/fruits for the Lord’s kingdom. We have diverse experience ranging from all forms of evangelistic missions, relief and aid, leadership training and development, orphans, widows and the elderly, awareness and sensitization, among others. You can also see some pictures on our mission website or the following Facebook links;

https://www.facebook.com/malipuko
https://www.facebook.com/godfreymawa
https://www.facebook.com/afrikidzuganda
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Commission-International/114524275303169

Our organization has opportunities for individuals or groups of those interested in coming for mission experience in Africa.

I am doing to get you a list of advise for missionaries coming to Africa or third world countries, with an effective mission yet, without wasting finances and resources.

Thanks again Jeremy, for the great work. I know many are going to be helped.

missions in Africa

Please note that I am not “endorsing” Godfrey’s African mission. He and I have never met and I have never worked with him in doing any sort of missions in Africa. I have posted his information because he validates what I have found to be true in my own experience, and what I have read in numerous other books about the best and most cost-effective way of doing evangelism and missions in other countries, especially in places like Africa.

What books?

Here’s two:

When Helping Hurts
The Spontaneous Expansion of the Church

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: African missions, Discipleship, evangelism, missions

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The God-ordained Scriptures (and other writings)

By Jeremy Myers
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The God-ordained Scriptures (and other writings)

inspiration of ScriptureLast week I wrote a post about the inspiration of Scripture and the inspiration of other religious books  which struck a cord with a lot of people. 

One blog reader, Jake Yaniak, left a comment that he had written something similar just a week or so earlier. I read Jake’s blog, but somehow I missed that post of his… When I went and read it, I was impressed at some of the ideas he was expressing. So I decided to post some of it here for you to read:

What do I believe concerning the Holy Bible?

Well, I must say that I am very much in agreement with the Westminster Confession, though with this difference: I also believe in a sovereign God.

This might sound strange considering the fact that it is often to the Westminster Confession that men appeal when they speak of God’s sovereignty. The confession states, powerfully:

“God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.”

But they do not apply this belief to the Scriptures – or rather, they do not apply it to non-Scripture.

They state under the category of the Holy Scriptures that, “The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon of the Scripture, and therefore are of no authority in the Church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings.”

How can this be when they affirm that God is sovereign?

They speak like Calvinists when they write about God’s sovereignty; and they dodge the moral implications of Calvinism with the empty statement ‘neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures,’ ignoring the logical consequences of determinism like men who plant rhubarb and then hope to grow apples.

(And please do not plead “paradox” with me – it is only those who lack the “ground of truth,” as Hans Denck put it, who retain both thesis and antithesis without resolving them.)

But suddenly they speak like Arminians when they wish to cast off the Apocrypha, calling them “human writings” as if there could be such a thing in determinism.

If God, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordained the precise wording of Bel and the Dragon, the action-packed sequel to the Book of Daniel, then how is this different from inspiration, where he is said to have ‘out-breathed’ or ‘spoken’ his Word to the prophets and apostles?

ALL things are created by his Word.

That includes the Apocrypha.

That includes the Bible in its original manuscripts.

That includes the manifold corrections, glosses, errors, typos, alterations and duplications it has seen since its writing.

That includes the NIV.

That includes both the long and short endings of Mark, as well as the original, lost ending.

That includes the Zend Avesta, the Mahabharata and its vampires, the Quran and the Lord of the Rings.

God is existence, and he speaks in all things, for all things are made by his Word and according to his irresistible, omnipotent will.

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.”

This is just part of Jake’s post. The rest of it goes on to lay out this idea in more detail and defend it. I invite you to go read the whole post here and interact with Jake on it.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible, Discipleship, inspiration of Scripture, Theology of the Bible

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