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Drunk with Blood: God’s Killings in the Bible

By Jeremy Myers
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Drunk with Blood: God’s Killings in the Bible

Drunk with BloodAs I continue to write on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament, I am always shocked whenever I run into a Christian who thinks the Bible isnโ€™t violent. I want to ask them if they have read anything outside of the New Testament (Even then, you have the book of Revelation and various teachings on hell).

One of the reasons is it is so critical to not only own up to the violence of Scripture, but also to have an answer for it, is because the violence of God in the Bible is one of the main reasons people today are rejecting Christianity and denying the existence of a good and loving God.

So if you happen to be a Christian who doesnโ€™t know the Bible is violent, OR if you happen to think the violence of God in the Bible is โ€œno big deal,โ€ let me invite you to read  Drunk With Blood by Steve Wells. If you are a fundamentalist Christian, you will probably be offended at the humorous approach Steve Wells takes in his book, Drunk With Blood, by pointing out all the violence of Scripture, but I think that humor is the only way to write a 300-page book detailing all the violence in the Christian Scriptures. If the book didnโ€™t contain humor, by the time we were done reading about all the killings in the Bible, most of us would want to kill ourselves as well. Without the humor, itโ€™s depressing reading.

As for myself, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I have read lists of the violence in Scripture before, but never one so detailed, so thorough, and so entertaining.

I personally donโ€™t think Steve was โ€œfairโ€ with all of the biblical accounts of violence, since he often cuts off quotations in mid-sentence, but with all the clear โ€œunfairnessโ€ in Scripture where actual human lives are getting โ€œcut offโ€ by God, itโ€™s hard to quibble over minor details like that.

Look, if you want to know how the Bible looks to someone who doesnโ€™t read the Bible through โ€œChristian-coloredโ€ glasses, you must read this book. And if you want to know why Christians are often seen as hypocritical and violent, it is because we defend the actions in the Bible as โ€œholy and justโ€ while condemning identical behavior in people of other religions.

As a Christian myself, I believe Drunk With Blood should be mandatory reading for all Christians. 

And hey! Bill Maher recommends it too:

Drunk with Blood

Drunk With Blood shows us what we Christians don’t want to admit, that God is violent! The sooner we own up to this fact, the sooner we can start dealing with it honestly, and trying to understand the Old Testament violence of God in light of Jesus Christ dying on the cross.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Bill Maher, books, Books I'm Reading, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Redoing My Theology

By Jeremy Myers
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Redoing My Theology

I realized the other day why I am having such a struggle writing this book on the violence of God in the Old Testament.

The reason is because the process of grappling with this issue is requiring me to rethink, rewrite, and redo nearly all of my theology. I feel like I am starting all over from the very beginning.

redoing my theology

So far, my study of the violence of God has caused me to rethink these areas of theology:

  • Theology Proper – this one is a given. I am trying to write about God, after all.
  • Bibliology – I have had to raise questions about inspiration and inerrancy
  • Pneumatology – My study of inspiration led me to look deeper into the Spirit’s role in the world and throughout history, especially as a revealer of truth.
  • Christology – I have had to learn to refocus all my theology upon the cross of Jesus Christ, and have come to see Jesus as the center of God’s revelation, the lens by which Scripture is read, and truly the “image of the invisible God.”
  • Soteriology – If God is nonviolent, then what does this say about the violence within the penal substitutionary view of the atonement? Also, what about the eternal violence of hell? I am grappling with both these issues.
  • Ecclesiology – If God is not violent, then what does this mean for the church’s place in the world, especially regarding war and patriotism? Also, what does it mean to follow Jesus nonviolently?
  • Eschatology – Not only do I have to rethink hell (mentioned above), but all my beliefs about the End Times as well. If God is non violent, will the Second Coming of Jesus truly be with violence?
  • Anthropology – My study of nonviolence has required me to realize that if violence does not come at the command of God, then it must come from the heart of man. This raises serious questions about the condition of humanity in general.
  • Angelology – The study of violence has led into deep reading and thinking about the dominions, powers, and authorities of this world, and how these things are related to the destroyer, satan, and demons, and violence in general.

This is why I feel so overwhelmed all the time with this project! It often feels like the ground has opened up beneath me, like all my reading, study, and learning up to this point has been for nothing, and that I am beginning all over again.

your theology might be wrong

So thanks for being patient with me as I “think out loud” on this blog, and as my writing projects get posted in bits and pieces, and as some posts seem to contradict something I wrote earlier. We’re all thinking about this together, and I appreciate your input and you being willing to walk with me through these questions!

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Theology - General, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Are Greg Boyd and I arguing the same thing?

By Jeremy Myers
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Are Greg Boyd and I arguing the same thing?

A couple weeks ago, I announced that I was giving up on my proposal (…again).

Then Chuck McKnight alerted me to this video interview of Greg Boyd by Nate Cunningham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pBVQmC09Vw&feature=share&t=13m40s

The video should start at the 13:40 mark, but if it doesn’t, that is where the interview begins to talk about Greg Boyd’s proposal on how to understand the violence of God in the Old Testament.

Greg Boyd’s view sounds shockingly similar to the view I am having great difficultly defending from Scripture. I am not at all saying that Greg Boyd is borrowing from me (he doesn’t know me), but it makes me wonder if I was on the right track after all…

Sigh…

06/26/14 UPDATE:

As a follow-up from the comments below, here is a much more in-depth video about Greg Boyd’s proposal (thanks to Soli Deo Gloria):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CkCGR9YI4&feature=share&t=28m00s

It sounds shockingly similar to what I have been arguing. I promise I have never watched this video before until yesterday (June 25, 2014). The things he is talking about in this video I was writing about over a year ago. But it looks like he gave this Q&A several months before that… So did Greg Boyd steal my book, or did I steal his? Neither!

I was listening to a podcast this morning from 2012 where Raborn Johnson and Steve Sensenig talked about a Theology Rooted in Love, and they were saying many of the same things as well!

You know what I think is going on? This is another example where the Spirit of God moves in the hearts and minds of people all around the world to see similar truths at similar times so that we all work together to teach and learn what the Spirit is saying to the church. It is, as Richard Rohr calls it, the spiritual “symbiosis” between mutual members of the Body of Christ (Things Hidden, 2).

Anyway, watch the videos above, and then let me know what you think in the comments below.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, Greg Boyd, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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Jesus as the Hermeneutical Trump Card in Scripture

By Jeremy Myers
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Jesus as the Hermeneutical Trump Card in Scripture

hermeneuticsWhen people seek to defend the idea that God is violent โ€œbecause the Bible says so,โ€ what they are really doing is allowing the violent portrayals of God in the Bible to override and trump the loving and merciful portrayals of God elsewhere in Scripture, even when both portrayals are talking about the same historical event.

Though both depictions of God are equally inspired, many biblical interpreters choose to let the violent depiction of God override and trump the loving depiction. In this way, it is not a matter of just believing the Bible; it is a matter of choosing which passages take precedence.

This practice is especially shocking when it comes to the revelation in Jesus Christ. Although Jesus is the ultimate revelation of Godโ€”the Word of God incarnateโ€”many Bible teachers and writers allow the violent portrayals of God in the Old Testament to override and trump the completely non-violent revelation of God in Jesus Christ.

When people want to defend a violent and vengeful God, they typically jump right over Jesus and go straight to Old Testament texts.

But isnโ€™t this backwards?

Jesus hermeneuticsIf a basic rule of hermeneutics is that the simpler and clearer texts should override the more difficult and troubling texts, and if Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God so that He can say โ€œif you have seen Me, you have seen the Father,โ€ why do we choose to let the more troubling, difficult, and violent texts override and trump the loving, merciful, and Christlike texts?

It is not a matter of one approach considering the whole counsel of God while the other approach neglects certain portions. No, both approaches consider the whole counsel of God. Itโ€™s a matter of choosing which parts of Scripture trump, interact with, and explain the other parts of Scripture.

As I continue to seek to understand the violent portrayals of God in the Old Testament, my approach has been to see Jesus Christ as the interpretive principle, the guiding ethic, the hermeneutical trump card of all of the Word of God.

Why?

Because Jesus is the Word of God.

No matter which text we consider, the basic questions are these: Does it look like Jesus? If not, how can we understand this text in light of Jesus? Or, how can we explain and apply this text in a way that looks more like Jesus? And ultimately, how can we apply this text so that it inspires us to love and live like Jesus?

God of the Old Testament and JesusHow can a God who says "Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) be the same God who instructs His people in the Old Testament to kill their enemies?

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God is z Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, hermeneutics, Theology of God, violence of God, When God Pled Guilty

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4 Shocking Reasons the Bible is Unique (Reason 4)

By Jeremy Myers
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4 Shocking Reasons the Bible is Unique (Reason 4)

humans are violentWe are looking at 4 reasons the Bible is unique. Here is a brief summary of where we have been so far:

  1. The Bible is unique because it reveals mimetic rivalry and the scapegoat mechanism.
  2. The Bible is unique because it reveals how Jesus fulfills not just Scripture, but all religious writings
  3. The Bible is unique because it is the most violent religious text in the world

This leads us to the fourth reason the Bible is unique:

4. The Bible is unique because it is uniquely human.

Yes, every book in the world is a human book, but the Bible is a uniquely human book. Let me explain what I mean.

Usually when theologians say that the Bible is a human book, they mean that the Bible has human authors who use human words to discuss human ideas to human readers with human ways of thinking. When speaking this way about Scripture, most theologians are about to say that as a result of the Bible being a human book, it should not surprise us to discover that the Bible has errors.

I intend to make no such claim.

I do, however, agree that the Bible is a human book.

It is not that the Bible is in error. No, quite to the contrary, the Bible accurately reveals to us what is in the heart of man. God knows what is in the heart of men (Jer 17:10; 1 Cor 2:11), and He reveals it to us through Scripture. It is my conviction that Scripture does not so much reveal God to us as it reveals us to us. Scripture is a mirror which God puts up to our own hearts to reveal what is in man (Jas 1:23).

And what does Scripture reveal? It reveals that evil is in our human hearts. โ€œIt mirrors our best and worst possible selvesโ€ (Stark, The Human Faces of God, 218).

Humans Love to Blame God for our Evil

But more than that, Scripture reveals that when humans act upon the evil that is in our hearts, we like to blame God for our actions.

blaming god for violeneWhen we are violent, we make God the scapegoat for our violence. We learned this practice from the father and mother of humanity, Adam and Eve. After they ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent, but both inferred blame upon God. In blaming Eve, Adam said โ€œthe woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ateโ€ (Gen 3:12). Adam implies that if God had not given the woman to him, Adam never would have sinned. It was Godโ€™s fault. Eveโ€™s attempt to blame God is not so obvious, but in blaming the serpent, it seems that she implies that if the serpent had not been in Godโ€™s Garden (for didnโ€™t God create all the animals?), or if God had given to Eve the same instructions He had given to Adam (for didnโ€™t God only give His instructions about the forbidden fruit to Adam?) Eve would not have been deceived.

Adam and Eveโ€™s descendants learn the blame game well. Cain becomes angry when God accepts Abelโ€™s sacrifice rather than his own (Gen 4:5), and after he kills Abel, claims that it is not he who is supposed to take care of Abel, that he is not his brotherโ€™s keeper (Gen 4:9). The implication once again is that if God wanted to protect Abel, God should have done so. Following this example, after Lamech killed a man for wounding him, Lamech says that he had more right to commit murder than Cain did, and therefore, God shouldnโ€™t punish him, but should protect and avenge him (Gen 4:23-24).

This sort of pattern continues throughout the entire Bible, even if the human tendency to blame God is not always so evident.

This tendency to blame God continues all the way up into our own day as well. When bad things happen to us, we say, โ€œWhy is God doing this to me?โ€ When we observe evil occurring elsewhere in the world, we wonder, โ€œWhy isnโ€™t God stopping that evil?โ€ When natural disasters like floods, earthquakes, and hurricanes come upon neighborhoods, towns, cities, and countries so that homes are destroyed and lives are taken, we call these horrible events โ€œacts of God.โ€ When people commit crimes of lust or passion against others, they often explain their actions by saying, โ€œGod made me this way. He gave me these desires. I cannot help myself.โ€

History reveals that humans love to blame God for the evil that is in their own hearts.

This tendency is laid bare in nearly every violent event in the Bible, which is one reason why the Bible can be said to be inspired by God. The Bible reveals to humans what we are really like. In this way, the text is also inerrant. Much of the Hebrews Bible inerrantly records not what God has done for mankind, but what mankind has tried to do for God using the weapons and ways of the world. These โ€œfailed attempts to act on behalf of Godโ€ (Stark, The Human Faces of God, 232) were done with evil in our hearts and the name of God on our lips, and thus reveal to us not so much of what is in the heart of God, but what is in the heart of men.

In this way, we can say that the Hebrew Scriptures are more of a revelation about man than a revelation about God. Though we have often thought that the Bible reveals God to us, it more accurately reveals man to us. 

The Old Testament is not primarily a sourcebook for โ€œTheology Proper,โ€ the study of God, but is primarily a sourcebook for โ€œAnthropology,โ€ the study of man. The Bible reveals to man what is in the heart of man more than it reveals to man what is in the heart of God. Certainly, there is revelation about God in the Old Testamentโ€”and this is especially true once we get to the New Testament where Jesus perfectly reveals God to usโ€”but for the most part, the Old Testament contains inspired and inerrant records of what God wants us to know about ourselves.

What does the Old Testament reveal?

The Bible reveals that we are sick, twisted, evil, and hell-bent toward violence. 

But more than that, it reveals that when we lash out in violence and bloodshed toward others, we love nothing more than to blame God for this violence. We kill others and say, โ€œGod told me to.โ€ We murder others and say, โ€œItโ€™s because they were evil and God wanted them dead.โ€ When natural disasters occur, we shrug our shoulders and say, โ€œIf they hadnโ€™t sinned so much, God wouldnโ€™t have killed them.โ€ 

blaming God for violence

This is what we find over and over again within the pages of the Hebrew Scriptures, and which, if we are honest, we find in our own hearts as well. God is not violent; we are. But when we act upon the violence in our hearts, we make ourselves feel better by blaming God for it. These texts โ€œremind us of the kind of monstrous people we always have the potential to become in the name of some land, some ideology, or some godโ€ (Stark, The Human Faces of God, 232).

This is what the Old Testament texts reveal to us, and it is this perspective that Jesus affirms over and over through His own life and ministry. 

Jesus not only reveals to humanity once and for all the depth of depravity that is within the hearts of men, but in Jesus, we finally see what it means to be truly human, and therefore, truly divine. While it is true that Jesus reveals God to us, we must also recognize that before Jesus can reveal God to us, we must allow Him to reveal us to us. In this way, by the most shocking of theological twists, we learn what God is truly like only after we have learned what a human is truly supposed to be. And both are revealed in Jesus Christ. 

God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: anthroplogy, bible, inspiration of Scripture, revelation, Theology of God, Theology of Man, Theology of the Bible, violence of Scripture, When God Pled Guilty

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