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2000 Posts! And how YOU can win some of my books!

By Jeremy Myers
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2000 Posts! And how YOU can win some of my books!

2000 Blog Posts!It’s my Birthday (in a couple days, anyway), and I want to thank you for the great Birthday present.

I also want to give YOU a present (Read on to find out how to win some of my paperback books. I’m giving away 65 of them.)

Did you know you gave me a Birthday present?

You did.

What was it?

You read this blog.

Thank you very, very much. You have no idea how much it means to me. (Keep reading to find out how I am celebrating.)

And you know what else? This post is my 2000th post.

Yes, since this blog began, I have written 2000 blog posts!

Below are some other milestones we have passed along the way…

NONE of this is to brag or boast, but just to say thank you for the Birthday presents… Every time you read a blog post, it is like another gift to me. A gift of your time, your eyes, and your mind. Thank you.

The website has received over 3 million pageviews.

I’m getting nearly 200,000 per month now…

200000 pageviews per month

The website has received over 23,000 comments.

23,000 comments

I have published 12 books.

Click the image below to see my books on Amazon…

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More to Come!

I am nearly done with my next book. It is a book on the atonement. The book is done, but I am just working on two appendices, and then it goes into the editing and layout phase…

As always, those who subscribe to my email newsletter will get a free digital copy when it comes out. So make sure you are a subscriber!

Also, I have a super exciting announcement in early September… (So stay tuned).

Get Presents FROM ME for my Birthday

As a way of celebrating my Birthday and my 2000th post, I am giving away over 50 paperback copies of some of my books, plus 15 copies of a book from a friend of mine. So, your chances of winning are pretty good…

Of course, I will not be shipping out over 65 packages… I will make up about 15 “sets” of books, and send those to the winners.

If you want to win free paperback copies of several of my books, enter below: You can enter every day, and the contest is over on September 3, 2015.

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God is Redeeming Life Bible & Theology Topics: blog reading, Blogging, free books, giveaway

Jesus told stories, and so shouldn’t we

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Jesus told stories, and so shouldn’t we

Yes, you read that title correctly.

I know, I know. Popular preaching advice tells you that โ€œPeople learn through stories,โ€ and that โ€œYou need illustrations to make your point.โ€

I do not disagree that stories and illustrations are helpful in preaching. But they are not always helpful …

I do disagree, however, that the reason we should use stories in preaching is because Jesus used stories. While He did tell stories, He didn’t use stories in His preaching. At least, not the way we think.

stories Jesus told

Let me clarify by stating five points about the use of stories in preaching and teaching.

1. Maybe your sermons are too long

One reason it is true that people need stories sprinkled liberally throughout sermons is because the sermons are too long.

Like it or not, people have a short attention span these days, and the stories, jokes, and illustrations help keep people’s attention.

Stories help revive people’s interest in what you are saying, especially when it takes you 40 minutes to say it.

But what would happen if what you were saying was shorter? Maybe fifteen minutes? Or ten? Or *gasp* five?

Would you need tear-jerker stories and cute illustrations then? I think not.

Which makes you wonder … why is the average sermon about 35 minutes long? I have my theories, but that’s another blog post…

2. Yes, Jesus told stories, BUT …

Second, while much of the Bible is narrative, people often say that we should use stories because Jesus did, and He was the best teacher the world has ever seen.

I do not deny that Jesus was the best teacher, but I do question the logic of the statement, โ€œBecause Jesus used stories, so should we.โ€

Just because Jesus does something, this does not mean that we should do it too. But more than that, if you carefully examine why Jesus used stories, it was not to illustrate His point or to help His listeners understand what He was saying. No, Jesus clearly stated that the reason He spoke in parables was so that His listeners would not understand (check out Luke 8).

Jesus told stories so that people would be confused!

So if you really want to teach like Jesus, make sure you pick stories for your sermons that are confusing and mysterious and which hide your point rather than reveal it.

jesus told storiesIf you want to include stories and illustrations to help people understand what you are saying, this is fine to do; just don’t say you are following the example of Jesus.

3. The facts can teach too

Thirdly, while it is true that stories do teach, it is also true that just presenting the facts is also a great way of teaching.

While I often learn great truths from watching movies or reading novels, most of the things I have learned about theology came from reading books about theology, reading commentaries, and just studying the Bible.

I think there are large numbers of Christians today who learn similarly. They just want to know what the Bible says, and they don’t want a bunch of stories, illustrations, and jokes to get in the way.

4. The Bible is One Big Story

Fourth, the “Jesus told stories and so should we” argument often points to the fact that large chunks of the Bible are “stories.” This fact is used to bolster the argument that people learn by stories and we should sprinkle our teaching opportunities with stories.

But notice that when the Bible tells stories, it is not sprinkling a fact-based teaching with cute illustrations and funny jokes.

No, when the Bible tells stories, it tells a story and then shuts up about it.

Sure, there may be a point to the stories, but the point is often up for argument and open to interpretation.

So if you want to “tell stories” the way the Bible tells stories, then you need to make sure that your story is the teaching. If you want to tell stories like the Bible tells stories, then tell a good story and leave it alone.

I am all for using stories as a teaching method, but the best way to use stories as a teaching method is simply to tell a story. Stories as a teaching method are the stories themselves, not a regular teaching with a couple of stories sprinkled in.

5. Tell Good Stories

Finally, if you want to tell stories in your teaching, or as your teaching, make sure the story is a good one. The biblical stories are really good stories. They are full of mystery, intrigue, betrayal, sex, war, and everything else that makes a top-notch story.

tell good stories like JesusMost “Christian” stories are too sanitized to be any good.

This is why movies are so powerful today. This is also why (I am convinced) movies do more to teach people about life and relationships and theology than sermons ever will. Movies are (usually) well-told stories that are nothing but stories which people watch and have their life and thinking changed as a result.

Stories and Illustrations in Sermons

I am not opposed to using stories and illustrations in sermons. I use them myself when I preach. I think they do aid in the teaching and learning process.

But I think we Christians need to do some rethinking about why we tell stories and what sorts of stories we tell. But I wonder if people would learn just as much if our sermons were 80% shorter… or maybe if they were just one well-told story.

But whatever we do, whether we include illustrations or not, whether we preach for 40 minutes or 5, we cannot say that “Jesus told stories, and so should we.” He did tell stories, but not the kind of stories we tell, and not for the reasons we tell them, and not in the way we tell them.

If you truly want to tell stories like Jesus, do these three things:

  1. Your teaching time should be nothing but stories.
  2. Your stories should target religious people only.
  3. Your stories should be confusing so nobody understands them.

If you know someone who teaches that way, send me a link to their podcast, because I want to hear them.

God is Redeeming Church Bible & Theology Topics: illustrations, Jesus, Luke 8, parables, Preaching, stories, teaching

[#01] Genesis 1:1 โ€“ In the Beginning

By Jeremy Myers
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[#01] Genesis 1:1 โ€“ In the Beginning
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One Verse PodcastToday we are going to look at the very first verse in the Bible, Genesis 1:1. This text is one of the most debated texts in the Bibleโ€”at least when it comes to the subject of creation and evolution. But we are going to see that this debate is tragic, because Genesis 1:1 is not about creation vs. evolution at all.

Genesis 1:1

The Text of Genesis 1:1

Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In this discussion of Genesis 1:1, we look at:

  • Genesis 1:1 is a battleground text over the scientific debate regarding creation and evolution. This is quite sad, for Genesis 1:1 is not a scientific text.
  • But the creation debate is not the only debate in Genesis. There are dozens others. These debates reveal the problem with studying Genesis.
  • If we get bogged down in debates, we will never understand Genesis.
  • The point of Genesis is introduced by Genesis 1:1 โ€“ the author of Genesis wants to introduce us to God.
  • Do you have Questions about God? Genesis 1:1 is the place to start.

Resources:

  • Logos Bible Software
  • Creation-Myths-Johnston
  • Creation-Myths-Hess
  • Genesis-Cosmology-Hasel
  • My View on the JEDP Theory and Genesis 1
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What does it mean to pray in Jesus’ name?

By Jeremy Myers
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What does it mean to pray in Jesus’ name?

Jesus says that whatever you ask for in his name will be given to you (John 14:13-14). But what does that mean?

In an attempt to follow Jesus’ instructions, many parents and churches teach (usually by example) that every prayer should conclude with the words “…in Jesus’ name, Amen.” But is this what Jesus meant?

In Jesus name

Sometimes you hear people take this idea to an extreme, and they say, “…in Jesus’ name” over and over throughout their prayer such as this:

Father, we come before you in the name of Jesus, to ask ย you, Father, that you bless our time together, in Jesus’ name. And we bring forward our needs to you, Father, thinking of Ruth and her ingrown toenail, that you would heal it, Father, in Jesus’ name. And we lift up to you the sick cat of Carol. You know, Father, how the cat has been throwing up all night, and how Carol loves the cat which you gave her, and so we ask that you reach down out of heaven and touch her cat in Jesus’ name, Father, and deliver her cat from this malady that is causing the cat and Carol so much problem, in Jesus’ name…

And so on. (And while you might think I am trying to be funny with requests about toenails and sick cats, if you have been in many prayer meetings, you know that these sorts of requests are not uncommon.)

Even when Christians are able to root out of their prayers all the repetitious mentioning of “Father” and “in Jesus’ name,” it is still quite common for most Christians to end their prayers with the word, “… in Jesus’ name, Amen.”

I admit I do this. It is a habit I just cannot break.

in Jesus nameBut why would I want to break it?

Doesn’t Jesus tell us to pray in His name?

Well, yes, He does. But His instruction does not mean that we liberally sprinkle our prayers with the magic words “in Jesus’ name” or that we even close out our prayers with these words.

When we do this, we are treating the words “in Jesus’ name” like they are some sort of magical incantation by which we will get whatever we ask for in prayer. But that is not at all what Jesus meant, and in fact, mindlessly repeating the words “in Jesus’ name” to get what we ask for in prayer is actually the exact opposite of what Jesus meant when He invited us to pray in His name.

What does it mean to pray “in Jesus’ name”?

To pray “in Jesus’ name” means to pray as if Jesus Himself was praying our prayers.

When an ambassador visits another country “in the name of the king” (or president) it is as if his king (or president) is speaking the words that the ambassador speaks. The leaders of these other countries are to assume that whatever the ambassador says, it is as if the king (or president) himself said them.

Obviously then, the ambassador had better be certain that what he says is exactly what the king himself would say. If an ambassador says something foolish or insulting, he could easily start a war or ruin a trade agreement or destroy a treaty. To be a good ambassador, the ambassador needs to know the mind and heart and will of his king so intimately, that the two minds are nearly one.

This is what it means to pray “in Jesus’ name.” They are not magic words to get what you want, but are a mind frame we must adopt when praying to God. We must so intimately know the mind and heart and will of Jesus in whatever situation we are praying about, that the words we speak are the same exact words Jesus would speak if He Himself were the one making the petition to God.

How to Pray in Jesus’ Name

So to expand a bit on what Jesus said in John 14:13-14, I think His words could be paraphrased this way:

But when you pray, spend time thinking about what I value, what I have instructed you, how I lived my life, the kind of example I provided, the people I hung out with, the goals I sought to achieve, the relationship I had with God. Take careful notice of what I taught and what I prayed for. Then, offer your requests to God in light of these things. And when you do, make these requests boldly, knowing that the words you speak are the same words I am speaking. And when you pray this way, know that your prayers will be answered.

in Jesus name amenIf you are not completely confident that what you are praying is what Jesus Himself would pray, this is when it is best to add the little caveat to your prayers of “if it is your will.” This way, in your conversations with God, you can tell Him what is heavy on your heart and weighs on your mind, but you are telling Him that you trust Him to make the best decision since you yourself do not know what is best.

In my opinion, most of the prayers we pray will be of this second sort, where we recognize that our hearts can be deceived and our minds darkened, and so we leave judgment and decision up to God.

To “pray with faith” is not to summon up so much “confidence” that God is somehow “forced” to do what we ask. No, to pray with faith is to offer our requests to God, knowing that He loves us and will do what is best for us, even if this involves not giving us what we have asked for.

So let us stop praying with magical words by which we try to coerce God and manipulate Him to do what we want. Stop using magic words in your prayers.

Instead, let us spend time learning the heart and mind of Jesus so that our prayers can match His prayers, and then, when we pray, pray with the humility of faith, knowing that God will do what is best for us.

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God is Redeeming Life, Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: answers to prayer, how to pray, Jesus name, John 14:13-14, prayer, What is prayer

Why the Eagles Cut Tim Tebow

By Jeremy Myers
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Why the Eagles Cut Tim Tebow

Tim Tebow EaglesDo you want to know why the Eagles cut Tim Tebow? Or why the Patriots and Jets didn’t keep him on their roster? Or why the Broncos traded him?

It’s not because of his quarterback skills (or lack thereof, depending on who you ask). From a purely statistical perspective, Tim Tebow is better than most 3rd string quarterbacks and many 2nd string quarterbacks in the NFL.

It is also not the media frenzy that follow Tim Tebow wherever he goes, though this is part of it.

The real reason that the Eagles cut Tim Tebow is because Tim Tebow believes that his purpose on a football team is to evangelize his teammates and the coaching staff. Every time he gets a camera in his face, he starts talking about Jesus and giving glory to God for letting him play football.

But NFL Coaches don’t put people on their team to give them a platform to share their religious ideas. Nor do they put people on their team to share their political ideas. Or to sell their branded merchandise.

Imagine what would happen if an NFL football player, every time he got a camera in his face, said, “I’m just glad I get to play this game because it gives me the opportunity to tell you about my line of t-shirts and hats. Go to my store today to buy one!” No NFL coach in the league wants someone like that on their team.

NFL Coaches put players on their teams to win football games.

In the locker room, in team meetings, in coaching meetings, on the field, and in front of the cameras, Tim Tebow was always talking about Jesus and inviting people to believe in Jesus, and on and on and on.

It’s not about Tim Tebow getting more reps in the CFL. If Chip Kelly really believed that all Tim Tebow needed to become an NFL-quality QB was more reps, Kelly could have given that to Tebow in practices. No, that excuse is a smoke-screen. Kelly can’t come out and say he cut Tebow because Tebow spent half his time practicing and the other half proselyting, because the religious right in this country would scream and yell about religious discrimination.

But it’s not religious discrimination. It’s about not doing your job because of your religion. (Like the clerk in Kentucky who won’t issue marriage licenses … If she can’t do her job for religious reasons, that’s fine, but then she needs to quit her job.)

Tim Tebow prayingIf Tim Tebow wants to play in the NFL as a quarterback, here is my recommendation to him: โ€œTim, stop praying after you score a touchdown. Stop putting โ€œJohn 3:16โ€ in your eye black. Stop giving thanks to Jesus whenever you win a game.โ€

I agree with Jake Plummer, who, in 2011, gave Tebow the best advice, but which Tebow never heeded. Jake Plummer said this:

โ€œI wish heโ€™d just shut up after a game and go hug his teammates,โ€ Plummer said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. โ€œI think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think Iโ€™ll like him a little better. I donโ€™t hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff.โ€

I can hear the Christian outrage already.

What? You want Tim Tebow to stop witnessing? You want him to stop thanking God for his successes? Weโ€™re not supposed to be ashamed of the Gospel! With all the murders and wife-beaters in the NFL, itโ€™s nice to have a good Christian role model for a change, and you want him to just shut up about his faith in Jesus?! What kind of heathen heretic are you, anyway?

Yes, well, hear me out.

I am thrilled that Tim Tebow is outspoken about his faith. Notice that I never said anything about him hiding the fact that heโ€™s an evangelical Christian.

But Tim Tebow is making a basic mistake about witnessing, which is the same mistake a lot of Christians make.

Lots of Christians think that if they gain some sort of prominence in the public sphere, this means that they are responsible for using their position or their prominence as a platform to witness to other people.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

If a Christian becomes the CEO of a large corporation, God has not put him or her in that position so that they can witness to all the employees of the corporation, shout โ€œPraise Jesus!โ€ whenever they land a big account, or open up all their board meetings with prayer. God does not raise up Christians to places of prominence so they can cram Christianity down other people’s throats.

No, the person in a position of power or prominence is there so they can be the best CEO possible. They may include (but is not limited to) providing good wages and fair treatment to employees, and operating the business with honesty, transparency, and generosity. It means running the business in an ethical way, with creativity and imagination.

I hate it when well-meaning Christians tell powerful, prominent, rich Christians that โ€œGod raised you up for such a time as this.โ€ Then they are told that God raised them up so they can hand out gospel tracts to their employees, or take a stand for โ€œbiblical marriage,โ€ or some such nonsense.

I hear such things, I just want to barf.

If God raised someone up to be a CEO (which is debatable), then it was not to hand out gospel tracts or take a stand for โ€œbiblical marriage,โ€ but is for the purpose of being the best CEO they can possibly be. If God really raised a person up to be a CEO of a company, it would be for the purpose of showing the world how a business can successfully be run according to the principles and values of the Kingdom of God rather than the principles of the rulers of this world. Same goes for politics, music, art, and sports.

This brings us back to Tim Tebow.

Tim Tebow John 3:16If God truly raised up Tim Tebow to be an NFL quarterback (which is debatable), then it was not so that Tim could announce his Christian faith by praying in the End Zone and praising Jesus at press conferences. No, God raised up Tim Tebow to be a quarterback so that he can be the best quarterback Tim Tebow can be. Period.

If Tim Tebow wants to be a quarterback in the NFL, he needs to be an NFL quarterback; not a missionary quarterback. Not a prophet quarterback. Not a โ€œGodโ€™s spokesmanโ€ quarterback. Just a quarterback. He needs to work hard, throw the ball, and run the ball. And he must do it all with honesty, integrity, and a good work ethic both on and off the field.

Someone needs to tell Tim Tebow that the NFL stage is not for proclaiming the Gospel but for playing football.

If you still disagree with me, let me make one more point.

When Tim Tebow played for the Denver Broncos and knelt to give thanks to God every time he scored, what exactly was the message he was proclaiming to all who watched him? I think Tim Tebow thought he was showing everybody that he was thankful to God.

But thankful for what?

For letting Tim play football in the NFL?

If that is the case, what about all the other Christian quarterbacks who also wanted to play in the NFL but never had the chance? Does God love Tim Tebow more? Does God hear his prayers more? Is Tim Tebow more faithful than those other quarterbacks?

Or maybe the prayers of Tim Tebow were his way of giving thanks to God for scoring a touchdown?

But again, if this is the case, what does this tell the Christian players on the opposing teamโ€™s defense? Does Tim think that God heard his own prayers and ignored those of the Christians on the defense? If Tim threw an interception, would he like it if the opposing team knelt down to thank God for Timโ€™s bad pass?

Tim Tebow and GodHereโ€™s the point: Whatever Tim Tebowโ€™s motives might be (and I think they are pure), his prayers on the field tell the world that God hears and answers the prayers of some people more than those of others. This further implies that everybody who doesnโ€™t seem to have the success, money, or fame that Tim Tebow has, must have less faith than Tim, or maybe God just doesnโ€™t love them as much as He apparently loves Tim.

I really, really doubt that this is the message Tim wants to send when he kneels to pray in the end zone.

Which is why I encourage Tim to stop praying on the football field.

And the โ€œJohn 3:16โ€ on his eye lids needs to go as well, for the same reasons. If he wants to invite people to believe in Jesus for eternal life, let him do it in one of his numerous speaking engagements, or in personal conversations with friends off the field. But when heโ€™s on the field, this is not the time to share the gospel, but to live the gospel by being the most hard-working, honest, ethical, cheerful, and dependable quarterback he can possibly be.

And this will be a good example to the rest of us about how to be a Christian in this world. I am not a good Christian if I refuse to do my work because I have to pray for 15 minutes out of every hour โ€œin order to show my coworkers how good of a Christian I am.โ€ I am not a good Christian if I refuse to work with certain coworkers because they have a lifestyle I disapprove of. I am not a good Christian if I show up late for work because โ€œmy morning devotions went too long.โ€

Look, we Christians are not good Christian witnesses when we stop doing the things we should be doing because we want to โ€œbe a witness.โ€ No, we are good Christian witnesses when we work hard at being the best we can be in whatever job or position we find ourselves.

Christian witnessing is not accomplished by trying to be a witness.

Christian witnessing is accomplished by living life the best we can and loving others in the process as much as we are able. When we do this, we naturally become a witness to how a life looks that is transformed by God.

So if Tim Tebow truly want to follow his lifelong dream of being an NFL quarterback, I suggest he lose the Christian circus. This begins with letting his passing, not his praying, do the talking.

God is Redeeming Life Bible & Theology Topics: Discipleship, evangelism, prayer, witnessing

[#00] One Verse Podcast Introduction

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[#00] One Verse Podcast Introduction
https://media.blubrry.com/one_verse/traffic.libsyn.com/redeeminggod/One_Verse_Intro.mp3

_One Verse at a TimeWelcome to the One Verse podcast, where we liberate Scripture from religion, one verse at a time.

Episode #00 Highlights

  • The One Verse Podcast will feature verse-by-verse expository teaching of Scripture, with a target goal (that will rarely be accomplished) of one verse per episode in five minutes or less.
  • The Goal of the One Verse Podcast is to liberate Scripture from religion, one verse at a time.
  • Things I will focus on in bringing out from each verse:
    1. Historical/Cultural Context
    2. Scripture as a Grand Narrative
    3. The Crucivision Way of Reading Scripture
    4. Liberty from Religion

Resources Mentioned in this Episode:

  • Logos Bible Software
  • Logos Master Journal Bundle
  • Jesus Told Stories, So Shouldnโ€™t We!
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Which Religion Cares Most about the Homeless?

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Which Religion Cares Most about the Homeless?

This guy is a genius…

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God is Redeeming Life Bible & Theology Topics: homeless, humor, laugh a little, religion

Why Don’t Christians Read Theology Anymore?

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Why Don’t Christians Read Theology Anymore?

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Congratulations, genuine readers. You have now successfully read more of this blog post than many others will.

Yes, it’s true. Many people only read the title of a blog post or article, and then leave a comment on it without reading anything else.

So if you have read this far, do NOT comment on this post, but instead, share it on Facebook or Twitter, then sit back to see what sort of comments come in from people who read nothing but the title.

This post is actually inspired by an April Fool’s Joke from NPR last year.

I was reminded of it this week when Al Mack posted one of my article son Facebook, and it was painfully obvious that most of those who commented had read nothing but the title. His most frequent reply was “It might help if you actually went and read the article.”

God is Redeeming Theology Bible & Theology Topics: laugh a little, theology

Two Men in one Bed (Luke 17:34)

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Two Men in one Bed (Luke 17:34)
Note: This post is part of the July 2015 Synchroblog.

In the past, I have taught that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality.

But a few weeks ago, after the Supreme Court of the United Stated ruled that gay couples could get legally married, a guy came up to me and said, “This ruling is a sign of the end of the world! Jesus prophesied in Luke 17:34 that when the rapture happens, there will be two men in a bed!”

I went on to show him that in the Greek, the word “men” is not actually there, so all it really says is “There will be two in one bed …”

And besides, there is some question about whether Luke 17 is even referring to the rapture.

Jesus teaching Luke 17:34But even if the text is referring to a gay couple in bed, and even if the text does teach about the rapture, I pointed out to him that one of the men was taken in the rapture, which means that apparently, God accepted him.

He apparently hadn’t though about this … and so started back-peddling a bit from this text.

But I decided to look into Luke 17:34 a bit more deeply.

Is it just two people in a bed?

As I pointed out to the end-of-the-world alarmist, the word “men” is not in Luke 17:34. The text literally reads:

In that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.

But then I noticed that in the context, our English translations go on in Luke 17:35 to record Jesus talking about two women grinding at the mill. I looked briefly at the Greek here as well, and noticed that the word “women” was not in Luke 17:35, just as the word “men” was not in Luke 17:34. Note that the word “mill” is not in the text either. Luke 17:35 literally says this:

Two will be grinding together; one will be taken and the other left.

So I asked myself, “What am I missing? Why do many English translators supply the word “men” in Luke 17:34 and “women” in Luke 17:35 when neither word is there? So I looked at the verses a little more carefully, and noticed that other words in Luke 17:34-35 revealed the gender of the people in question.

When Luke 17:34 says, “one will be taken and the other left,” the words “one” and “other” are both masculine. By itself, this might not mean that the two people were men, for Greek (as in most languages) can use male words and pronouns to refer generically to “people” whether they are male or female.

But Luke 17:35 is much more clear. When this verse says, “one will be taken and the other left,” the words “one” and “other” are both feminine. A feminine pronouns are only used of women.

So when you compare Luke 17:34 and Luke 17:35, and Luke 17:35 is clearly referring to two women, then it seems pretty clear that Luke 17:34 is referring to two women. The burden of proof lies on those who want to say that Luke 17:35 refers to women while Luke 17:34 refers generically to “people.”

But so what?

Just because two men are in one bed, this doesn’t mean they’re gay.

This is very true.

While rare, it is not completely unheard of for two straight men to share one bed today. They might share a bed for warmth, or for protection, or simply because there is a lack of bed space.

This is especially true of men in ancient Middle-Eastern cultures. Unlike most modern Western males, I read in various sources that men of the Ancient Near East didn’t feel “weirded out” by sharing a bed with another man.

But then I started studying the context further.

One source that really provided some background details for my study was a series of blog posts by Ron Goetz on gays and lesbians in Luke. What follows below is a brief summary of his arguments.

NOTE: I am not saying I agree with Ron Goetz. All I am doing is summarizing his research. I would like your opinion on what he argues, and would like your thoughts about whether or not Jesus does, in fact, mention homosexual couples in Luke 17:34-35, and what this means (if anything) for the debate today about Same-Sex Marriage.

Gay Sex in Luke 17:34-35

Below is a small sampling of what Ron Goetz argues regarding two same-sex couples in Luke 17. Before you criticize what he says, I strongly urge you to go read through his entire series of posts, as it is likely that he has already responded to your question or criticism.

The summary/extended quote from Ron Goetz begins below…

I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Luke 17:34-35, KJV)

The Context of Sodom

Sodom and GomorrahImmediately before the mention of two men in one bed is a lengthy discussion of the destruction of Sodom. Now I donโ€™t believe the sin of Sodom was homosexuality. But there are many today who believe that it was, and I think most of the Jewish believers in Lukeโ€™s audience may have believed it as well.

Jesus knew that by recounting key details of Sodomโ€™s destruction, his audience would have man-on-man sex on its mind. Jesus intended for us to understand that the โ€œtwo men in one bedโ€ were gay.

One key practice for interpreting a passage in the Greek scriptures is to look for its antecedents in the Old Testament.

Iโ€™ve only found two Old Testament references to two men laying together.

“Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: it is abomination” (Leviticus 18:22).

“If a man lie with a man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Leviticus 20:13).

By clearly alluding to the Levitical prohibitions against male homosexuality, followed immediately with his declaration that โ€œone shall be taken, and the other left,โ€ Jesus declared his own acceptance of gays and lesbians, and that gays and lesbians are not automatically rejected by God.

Whether or not you believe in this final separation, or whether or not you believe the Bible, doesnโ€™t matter with regard to the significance of the passage. What is important is that Luke 17:34-35 teaches that sexually active gays and lesbians are not automatically consigned to perdition.

Two Women Grinding Together

In the Hebrew Bible, โ€œgrindโ€ is used as an acceptable euphemism for sexual intercourse in at least four places: Job 31:10, Judges 16:21, Isaiah 47:2-3, and Lamentations 5:13.

[Yet] It seems shocking that Jesus would use what sounds to us today like gutter language when referring to lesbian love-making. The idea of Jesus uttering the words โ€œwomen grinding togetherโ€ can be very uncomfortable. It certainly was for me. Even though the Old Testament evidence confirmed my hypothesis, it was difficult for me to hear that language coming from the mouth of Christ.

But when you remember that there is earthy language throughout the Bible, in both testaments, we get an understanding that the churchโ€™s demand for regal, solemn, respectable language is not a Biblical demand. Our personal and cultural expectations are not necessarily in sync with the scriptures. What sounds like earthy language today were, generally speaking, acceptable Biblical euphemisms.

Solomonโ€™s love poem, the Song of Songs, is well known for its graphic descriptions of romantic love. First century Israel did not have the clinical, scientific nomenclature for sexual matters that we have today, but they did have acceptable ways to discuss these things among adults.

No, Jesus Christ was not using gutter language when he mentions โ€œtwo women grinding together.โ€ The Old Testament books of Job, Judges, and Lamentations contain the Biblical use of the metaphorical grind. Jesus used the ordinary, acceptable language of his day to refer to lesbian love-making.

[But it is not just a couple of Old Testament texts that use “grind” in this way.]

In Latin, the word โ€œgrind,โ€ and the related word โ€œmill,โ€ are both euphemisms for things sexual. The Roman poet Horace (65 to 8 BCE) used โ€œgrindโ€ in his endorsement of brothels. Writing in Latin just decades before the birth of Christ, [one author] says that

Once, when a noble left a brothel, โ€œBlessed be thou for thy virtue!โ€ quoth the wisdom of Cato: โ€œfor when their veins are swelling with gross lust, young men should drop in there, rather than grind some husbandโ€™s private mill.โ€

His use of both โ€œgrindโ€ and โ€œmillโ€ shows that even the presence of the word โ€œmillโ€ does not eliminate the possibility of sexual meanings in the word โ€œgrind.โ€ Horaceโ€™s usage is very significant because it is proof of the use of โ€œgrindโ€ as a euphemism for sexual intercourse in the Roman empire just a few decades before the birth of Christ.

[Such euphemisms are also found in Greek.]

Sapphos from LesbosPlutarch (ca A.D. 45 to 120) was born in Greece near Delphi, and was a contemporary of Luke. One of Plutarchโ€™s s, โ€œThe Banquet of Seven Wise Men,โ€ is a fictional conversation among some famous men who lived around 650 BCE. After a brief lull in the conversation, Thales of Miletus speaks:

This remark arrested the attention of the whole company, and Thales said jestinglyโ€ฆ. โ€œwhen I was at Lesbos, I heard my landlady, as she was very busy at her handmill, singing as she used to go at her work:

Grind, mill, grind;
For even Pittacus grinds,
King of great Mytilene.

Plutarch records โ€œgrindโ€ used as a sexual metaphor in the last quarter of the first century A.D., overlapping the probable years when Luke was composed.

The sexual meanings of โ€œgrindโ€ and โ€œmillโ€ were common in Greek society when Luke being composed, and could have been in common usage for as long as 700 years prior to that. There is no room for quibbling over whether or not โ€œgrindโ€ and โ€œmillโ€ were used sexually in the Greek language of the first century, and that this layer of meaning was familiar to literate Greeks.

The Lightning and the Eagle

Zeus and GanymedeA major piece of evidence supporting the thesis of a deliberate gay theme in Lukeโ€™s Small Apocalypse (which I call โ€œLukeโ€™s Gay Apocalypseโ€) is found in the two primary symbols of Zeus, the supreme god in Roman religion. The symbols of Zeus are the lightning bolt and the eagle, and they appear in Luke 17:24, 37.

I subsequently investigated the Luke 17 passage specifically as the โ€œQ Apocalypse,โ€ and was blessed to find a terrific resource, โ€œWhere the Eagles are Gatheredโ€: The Deliverance of the Elect in Lukan Eschatology, by Steven L. Bridge (2003), who connects the lightning and the eagles with Zeus and Ganymede.

The lightning bolt was Zeusโ€™ powerful weapon, and the eagle was sent to retrieve the bolts after Zeus had thrown them. One of the most popular and enduring stories involving the eagle describes the Abduction of Ganymede. According to the story, the King of Troy had a beautiful son named Ganymede, and Zeus found Ganymede irresistibly attractive.

Zeus and GanymedeAccording to the story, the attractive young Ganymede is abducted by an eagle, who in one version is Zeus himself, having transformed himself into an eagle. While the story had several uses (as a paradigm for imperialism and an allegory for Truth), in the Roman era the sexual nature of Ganymedeโ€™s relationship with Zeus was widely recognized.

Zeus had numerous liaisons with mortal women, but only one same-sex relationship, and the eagle is vividly associated with his romantic relationship with Ganymede. Just as the donkey reminds Christians of the Nativity and the Triumphal Entry, so also the eagle reminded Romans and Roman subjects of Zeusโ€™ sexual relationship with his cup bearer and servant, Ganymede. The story of Zeus and Ganymede adds a layer of sexual meaning and interest to the eagleโ€™s image which is missing from its common use as a symbol of power.

Zeus and Ganymede What we have here are the two chief symbols of Zeus, lightning and eagles, one of which is vividly associated with Zeusโ€™ same-sex relationship with Ganymede, located at the beginning and end of a discrete unit of the third gospel, Lukeโ€™s Small Apocalypse. That distance between the verses may seem great, and this distance has obscured their historical and cultural connection. But these were the symbols of Zeus. If we were to read a paragraph that opened with a mention of a โ€œcrown of thornsโ€ and ended with a โ€œcross,โ€ no one would doubt that the crucifixion was a central element in that paragraph.

Anywhere in the Roman Empire, someone reading Luke 17:20-37 would immediately recognize Zeus and Ganymede in Luke 17:24, 37.

So are Gay People Accepted by God or not?

The upshot of all this? Once we recognize the common thread running through the major elements of the passageโ€“Zeus and Ganymede, Sodom, and the gay and lesbian couplesโ€“the entire passage coheres as a unified whole. Not only do the major elements of the passage become related in a single theme, but several unresolved interpretive questions fall into place as well.

The general topic or theme of the passage is indeed judgment, but the examples Jesus uses to illustrate the enactment of judgment donโ€™t tell us what is worthy of judgment, but what is not worthy of judgment.

And this is one very accurate way of describing the purpose of the passage. Weโ€™ve never quite known what the basis of acceptability was for the favored members of these pairs. We have surmised that they have an unspoken relationship with God, that they have faith, that they have remained awake and watchful and kept their lamps trimmed, but the passage has forced us to guess what the difference is between those who are taken and those who are left.

That puzzled guessing is understandable, because the point of the passage never has been to tell us the difference between who is acceptable to God and who is unacceptable. The point has been to tell us that homosexuality is not a factor in a personโ€™s acceptability to God.

Peopleโ€™s sexual orientation is not among the criteria for whether theyโ€™re in or whether theyโ€™re out.

Lukeโ€™s Gay Apocalypse, with the romantically involved gays and lesbians and the gathering of the Eagles around the Body of Christ, tells both Jews and Roman gentiles the โ€œmoral of the story.โ€ It is this:

  • Non-Celibate Gays and Lesbians are not Rejected by God.
  • Homosexuality is Not a Criterion of Acceptability for God.
  • Lesbians and Gays are Present in the Final Eschatological Gathering of Godโ€™s Elect.

Just because the word โ€œhomosexualโ€ doesnโ€™t appear in the gospels doesnโ€™t mean Jesus didnโ€™t talk about it. He did talk about homosexuality, using concrete terms similar to those in the Hebrew scriptures.

I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Luke 17:34-35, KJV)

Jesus discussed homosexuals in precisely the way we would expect him to, not in abstract terms, but using concrete examples.

The post above was part of the 2015 Sychroblog on Gay Marriage. Below are posts from other bloggers who also contributed. Go read them all to see what they have to say!

  • Justin Steckbauer โ€“ Gay Marriage, LGBTQ Issues, and the Christian Worldview
  • Leah Sophia โ€“ Marriage Equality Again
  • Tony Ijeh โ€“ Thoughts on Gay Marriage
  • Tim Nichols โ€“ Imago Dei: Loving the Different
  • Carlos Shelton โ€“ About Gay Marriage
  • Wesley Rostoll โ€“ Some Things to Consider Regarding Gay Marriage
  • K. W. Leslie โ€“ Same-sex Marriage
  • Paul W. Meier โ€“ Gay Marriage: Love is the Narrow Gate
  • Tara โ€“ Justice for All
  • Michelle Torigian โ€“ Marriage Equality: The Constantly Expanding Love of God
  • Lifewalk Blog โ€“ Here I am
  • Mary โ€“ A Recovering Evangelical Writes about Homosexuality
  • Liz โ€“ Same Sex Marriage Stuff: Part 1
  • Loveday โ€“ Gay Marriage in Africa, USA, and the World
  • Jea7587 โ€“ Loving Your Gay Neighbor, Part 2
  • D. L. Webster โ€“ Questions of Interacting with Differing Beliefs

God is Redeeming Life, Redeeming Scripture Bible & Theology Topics: Bible Study, gay marriage, homosexual, homosexuality, Jesus, lgbt, Luke 17:34-35

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