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What Christians Say… and What Christians Mean

By Jeremy Myers
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What Christians Say… and What Christians Mean

Mike DonahoeThis is a guest post from Mike Donahoe, who runs the “Done with Religion” blog. Here is what he writes about his ministry: 

Done with religion does not mean done with God, but done trying to please God by performance. We no longer submit to man’s rules and regulations, and we realize that the Church is the body of believers and not a place we go. Religion says do this, don’t do that and you will be a ‘good’ Christian. It tries to make us feel like successful Christians based on how well we perform and follow the rules. We want to take our eyes off following man made rules and gimmicks and focus entirely on Christ and living a life like His.

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So many times what we say and what we mean are two different things.

Church

Take for instance the word “church.” Most of us think of a building where Christians meet every Sunday for an organized, pre-planned service of music, prayer, and sermon by a paid pastor.

In reality, church is better described by the word ecclesia. It’s people. It is people who are following Christ and allowing Him to live and love through them.

Church isn’t a place, a building, or the house of God, and it isn’t at a set time or day.

Christian

church - body of ChristThen there is the word “Christian.” We think of people who love God, go to church, pray, read their bible, and try to do the right things.

Actually, “Christian” is a man-made word that originally was used to describe those who followed the teaching of Jesus and were doing the works of Jesus. Today, rather than being the true sense of following Christ, it is more widely known as a religion. Christians are considered people who believe in Jesus, go to church, follow specific rules, adhere to a set doctrine, pray, read the bible and try to get more people to come to their church.

We think of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu and a host of other religions rather than a way of life walking with Jesus, which is what the word refers to.

Prayer

When we talk about prayer, we generally think of a pastor or godly person saying spiritual sounding words to God. Many times prayers are written out and followed word for word to make people sound more spiritual.

Actually prayer is just talking. Like you would talk to a friend or relative, prayer is talking to God. Not only talking, but being quiet and listening for God to speak to you.

Bible

What about the Bible? Of course, our first thought is a book that God inspired men to write. We think of the Word of God.

word of GodYet if we look closer at John 1:1, we find that the Word is not a book at all. “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.” So actually, the Word of God is Jesus. He is the inerrant, all powerful, living Word of God.

The Bible is a book that contains God-inspired words which show us the ways of men and the Way of God. It is in the Bible that we read about the Word of God — Jesus Christ, who Himself is the ultimate revelation of God. 

Does that mean we don’t need to read the Bible? Of course not, we can learn a lot about God and ourselves by reading it. What we don’t want to do is make the Bible equal to God. The Bible is not part of the trinity; it is a book.

Worship

The word worship is generally thought of as a time during the service when people are lead into song and outward praise to God by a leader or group, paid to lead people this way. The style of worship also varies greatly from group to group. Many people think worship are songs, or lifting of hands, or dancing. A lot of people think of worship as a church service.

Yet worship is a true sense of reverence and adoring praise to our Father. It is personal and does not need a professional leader. It is a sincere and earnest thankfulness we have for God.

Jesus is the all in all. It doesn’t boil down to our doctrines, beliefs, and man-made efforts. It boils down to following Jesus, allowing Him to live in us and through us. 

What Words Can You Add?

There are many other words we could be discussed, but the point is that it is not as important the word we use, but the true meaning.

What words do you find have confusing usage in some Christian circles? What words can we start using more clearly? 

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: bible, church, following Jesus, guest post, prayer, Theology of the Church, word of god, worship

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Most Christians are afraid of the dark

By Sam Riviera
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Most Christians are afraid of the dark

A while back Jeremy wrote:

If the church wants to join God in storming the gates of hell, in defeating the darkness … We must find the mean places, the dark places, the dangerous places, and take the church there. We must go to the greedy, the liars, the cheats, the thieves, and show them generosity, truth, and honesty. We must find the places that even the cops won’t go, and go there with Jesus instead. Where do the most murders occur? Where do the addicts and prostitutes hang out? Let’s meet there.

Why Don’t We Enter the Darkness?

Most of us are afraid.

We’re afraid that we’ll be harmed physically.

We’re afraid we’ll catch a disease.

We’re afraid we’ll get dirty.

We afraid we’ll be robbed.

We’re afraid people will want our money or our stuff.

We’re afraid that somehow “those people” will break through the walls we’ve built around us, tug at our heart strings, and we’ll end up giving them our money, stuff and time.

Dwell in DarknessWe’re afraid we’ll be contaminated by their sin.

We’re afraid we’ll stop seeing their sin and start seeing them.

We’re afraid we might start loving them, sin and all, but we think we’re supposed to hate their sin.

We’re afraid we might learn to like them.

We’re afraid we might remember that Jesus loves them, but it is our arms Jesus uses to wrap around them.

Why Do We Think They Will Come to the Light?

My wife and I had moved. We visited a church service at a local church. One of the men confronted me at the front door. “We believe men should wear suits and ties to church to show respect to God.” I wasn’t wearing a suit and tie. I told him I didn’t believe that way, and went in anyway. 

At another church, an elder told me, “We don’t want people attending here until they get themselves cleaned up. We don’t want couples coming here who are living together but aren’t married. We only want good Christian people here.”

Why would anyone want to “come” to church if those are the attitudes they find? The people who most need to hear won’t come near. We make certain of that. Why would anyone have even the slightest interest in going any place where they know they won’t be accepted?

What’s The Answer?

Jeremy’s answer is simple. “We must go” to them — to the adulterers, prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors, Gentiles, sick, needy, poor, greedy, selfish, and to all who dwell in darkness.”

It is safer, warmer, less-threatening and more comfortable to keep our distance from those who dwell in darkness. But if we really do follow Jesus, if Jesus really is our Good Shepherd, need we fear evil? Is Jesus with us or not? 

Perhaps the question I must really ask myself is “Am I with Him?”

If I’m with Him, I don’t need to be afraid of the darkness. So go with the sinners are. Don’t be afraid. Jesus will go with you.

So don’t be afraid of the dark. When you’re with Jesus, no sin can harm you.

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Queer Christians

By Jeremy Myers
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Queer Christians

This guest post is by an anonymous person. Even though he is not ashamed of whom he is, he has chosen to remain anonymous to avoid embarrassing family members who are still evolving on these issues. This post was condensed from interviews with our anonymous poster.

This is Part 3 of 4 Blog Posts from this person. Please also read Part 1: I Am Queer, Part 2: Don’t Hate Me for Being Queer, and Part 4: An Open Letter to Christians from a Queer.

Whether you agree or disagree with what he says, please be gracious in your comments below.


gay and christianMost of us are not stupid. We can spend a few hours reading the New Testament Gospels and get a pretty good idea what Jesus is like. It’s also pretty clear that people who call themselves Christians (I read somewhere that means little Christs) should look and act like Jesus.

Why don’t Christians look more like Jesus? They cut me off on the freeway with Jesus stickers and church stickers all over their car and give me the finger for being in their way. My sister decided to try going to church and got screamed at because they thought her shorts were too short.

Some guy came into my business, cursed me out and got very ugly because he said an employee of the business had given him incorrect information on a previous day. Guess who was sitting on the platform the next Sunday when I tried out a new church? He was introduced as the assistant pastor. Guess who never went back to that church?

Who is the Freak?

Many of my friends think that is how most Christians behave. But when I tell them that I am a Christian, they think I am a freak. Isn’t that interesting? Because I am queer, Christians think I am a freak. But because I am a Christian, my LGBT friends think I am a freak.

My friends think Christians are (I’m trying to think of nicer versions of the words they really say)… not nice, nothing like Jesus. They think I’m deluded, because, although I claim to be a Christian, I like LGBT people. They are my friends. I’m nice to them. My LGBT friends have never met a Christian who was nice to them before. Therefore, in their minds, I can’t possibly be a Christian. Christians have never been nice to them.

When I march with my friends, Christians scream at us and tell us we are going to hell. When we try to attend church, Christians (mis)quote Bible verses to us, don’t accept us, hope we’ll stay away. When Christian coworkers learn of our sexual orientation, they try to get us fired from our jobs, spread lies about us, and usually hate us.

We’ve been threatened, hit, thrown out of our homes and families, and told “You’re dead to me.”

Such behavior does not look like Jesus to me.

Am I Queer or am I Christian?

People like to ask, “Can a queer be a Christian?” My friends and I wonder why many Christians are so queer. They claim to follow Jesus, but look nothing like Him? Isn’t that odd? Isn’t that… queer?

gay and christianMy friends and I have discussed all of this. Their conclusion is that either this “Jesus thing” is a crock or these people who bear his name aren’t Christians. We’ve all read about Jesus in the Bible, and these “Christian” people don’t look anything like him. Maybe he was a one-of-a-kind and it’s not possible to be anything like him.

My conclusion: Most people who call themselves Christians are chasing religion instead of following Jesus.

I believe that Jesus is real. I believe it truly is possible to follow him. It is possible to look and act like him.

My friends are LGBT. I am Q. That stands for Queer. I love Jesus and I like who I am. I am who I was created to be. I am not a mistake. My friends are not mistakes. We are created in the image of God.

Jesus had nothing to say about LGBTQ. He had lots to say about divorce. How many Christians do I know who are divorced? – Probably about half of them. I don’t treat them like crap. Where did Jesus tell me to do that? – He didn’t. He told me to love them. So I do.

Do you have questions for me? Do you want to hear more of my story? There will be one more post this week in which I will share more about me, and if there is enough interest, we can do a Q&A in a future post.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: gay, guest post, homosexual, lgbt, looks like Jesus, queer

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Don’t Hate Me for Being Queer

By Jeremy Myers
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Don’t Hate Me for Being Queer

This guest post is by an anonymous person. Even though he is not ashamed of whom he is, he has chosen to remain anonymous to avoid embarrassing family members who are still evolving on these issues. This post was condensed from interviews with our anonymous poster.

This is part 2 of 4 blog posts. See Part 1 here: I am Queer, Part 3: Queer Christians, and Part 4: An Open Letter to Christians from a Queer.

Whether you agree or disagree with what he says, please be gracious in your comments below.


The people many of us have the most difficulty loving are the people who hate us. Please don’t make it difficult for me to love you because you hate me for who I am – for being queer.

Even if you disagree with who I am or what I believe, don’t hate me. I don’t hate you. We probably don’t agree on many things, but I don’t hate you because of that. We can disagree, but still love each other with the love of Jesus who lives in us.

Jesus loves all of us. That’s why he became one of us. If he loves us, and became one of us to show his great love for us, then is he not the one to tell us to love each other? Did he make a mistake when he told us that?

queer Are you young or old, fat or thin, Democrat or Republican? Are you for or against a certain issue? Are you rich or poor? Do you go to church or synagogue or nowhere? Are you straight or gay? Do you live in a big house or under a bush? Do you smoke marijuana? – Regardless of your answers to these questions, I can still love you because Jesus loves you.

If I hate you, how can Jesus and his love live in me? – I don’t think it can.

A friend told me he murdered someone when he was younger, for which he was sent to prison. Another cheated on his wife. Another divorced her husband because she got tired of him. Another divorced his wife so he could live with his boyfriend. Another abused his wife and she left him. Yet I hate none of these people, but love them, even though the stories I’ve described were choices they made.

Even if I think the Bible seems to condemn certain actions, I do not hate someone because they did those things. So how could I hate you for who you are? How could I hate you for how tall you are, the color of your skin, your age, your gender or for your sexual orientation?

I don’t hate you, no matter who you are or what you have done. Please don’t hate me either. Please don’t hate me for being queer.

Do you have questions for me? Do you want to hear more of my story? There will be two more posts this week in which I will share more about me, and if there is enough interest, we can do a Q&A in a future post.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: gay, guest post, homosexual, lgbt, looks like Jesus, queer

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I am Queer

By Jeremy Myers
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I am Queer

This guest post is by an anonymous person. Even though he is not ashamed of who he is, he has chosen to remain anonymous to avoid embarrassing family members who are still evolving on these issues. This post was condensed from interviews with our anonymous poster. This is Part 1 of 4 Blog Posts from this person. Here also is Part 2: Don’t Hate Me for Being Queer, Part 3: Queer Christians, and Part 4: An Open Letter to Christians from a Queer.

Whether you agree or disagree with what he says, please be gracious in your comments below.


I am male and I am queer. Neither was a choice. I was born the way I am. I don’t feel a need to try to prove that to anyone. I know and always have known who I am.

I am Queer

i am queerI am Queer. What does that mean?

Some of the older generation may consider it derogatory, but most of my generation does not consider it derogatory. I think of it as a catch-all term. For me, it describes people who don’t exactly fit into the usual categories.

I am male, married to a female, and a Christian. For the purposes of this discussion, I don’t know any other labels that fit. I am not straight, gay, or bi.

I like women. I like men. I’m attracted to some women and to some men, but not to most women or most men. I married a woman because it’s easier to merge with the masses. I love my wife, and plan to stay married to her. I could just as easily be married to a man, though it would depend on the man.

The day the state I grew up in made it legal to marry someone of the same gender, I cried. If that had happened before I got married, I wonder if I might have married one of my boyfriends instead of one of my girlfriends.

Am I the Only One?

Are there other people like me? Lots of people aren’t attracted totally to the opposite sex or to the same sex. Think of it as a sliding scale, with all the totally heteros at one end and all the totally same-sex attracted on the other end. Lots of people aren’t at one end or the other of the scale. How do I know this? I know some of these people and most of them know more of us.

i am queerWe are related to you, live next door to you, work next to you and may even be married to you. That doesn’t mean we are or are not attracted to you, whatever your gender.

I think a lot of people are suspicious that there are more LGBTs and others like me than the statistics say. When the stigma attached to being anything other than one hundred percent straight is gone, they may find out how many of us there really are. Are they afraid they might be outnumbered?

I Am A Christian

It might surprise you to know that I also consider myself to be a Christian. How is that possible? I agree, it is difficult, given all the unkind, nasty, unloving, ignorant, stupid, wrong things some Christians say about LGBT people. Those comments also hurt people like me. Why would anybody want to associate with angry, mean people who say things like that?

But I am not a Christian because of Christians. I am a Christian because of Jesus. The Jesus I know isn’t like most Christians I have met.

Jesus is kind, loving, and gentle. He created all of us, wherever we fall on the straight to gay scale. It makes me wonder: If Christians are supposed to be like Jesus, why are so many of them not like Jesus?

A few days ago I read about the sixteen year old boy in Oakland California who set an eighteen year old young man on fire on a city bus because the eighteen year old was wearing a skirt. Such hatred for something that had nothing to do with the sixteen year old! The sixteen year old attempted to murder someone else simply because they are different, revealing his hatred, bigotry, ignorance and more.

I do not know if that sixteen year old boy was a Christian or not, but I do know that many Christians want LGBT people to burn in hell. Is that really any different than setting a person on fire for wearing a skirt?

Don’t hate me for who I am. I don’t hate you for who you are. Love others because Jesus loves you as well as others. We are all created in his image. Let’s try to look like him, and that looks like love, not hate.

Do you have questions for me? Do you want to hear more of my story? There will be three more posts this week in which I will share more about me, and if there is enough interest, we can do a Q&A in a future post.

God is Uncategorized Bible & Theology Topics: gay, guest post, homosexual, lgbt, looks like Jesus, queer

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